Fran has to do a 180 here and look hard into the transfer market. Programs like Iowa can't afford to take 1 or 2 seasons off when they are trying to build momentum. The fact we are only getting quality production from 1 guy that has been in the system for 2 or more years is very concerning right now. Teams like Iowa St and Creighton have been able to fight off rebuilding years by utilizing the transfer market. The problems Iowa has right now are hard to fix in just one year even more so when you lose Jok after this season and the PG situation may not be close to being avg.
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I wouldn't say crean them. But at this point you have to know who your best 8-9 guys. Play them the most and hopefully the other 4-5 guys will see the writing on the wall and look elsewhere at the end of the year. Then look to bring in a transfer (but the problem is most transfers have to sit a year).
I hope Fran starts to shorten his rotation. I think he needs to settle on 8-9 guys and play them 20-30 min and then sprinkle in the other guys either in garbage time or end of half situation. We need to find out who are best 8-9 guys are.
I think that Fran is already shortening his rotation if you look at the basketball stats and see the minutes played. I'll bet by the start of the BIG, he is playing almost exclusively nine, maybe ten guys, and the rest get mop-up time.
I think there is a difference between Creaning guys and coming at them with Hey look you likely won't get a lot of minutes here in your career we can do 1 of 2 things. 1) You stay here and I will promise you that I will be 100% committed to you and making you better or 2) I put in 100% effort with you and we together find a better fit for you to excel at basketball.
Some of these guys need to see the writing on all wall. When we are getting killed out there and there is almost no worth in letting your main guys keep from getting creamed and yet the coach still doesn't find much worth putting you in or giving you quality minutes. Then....
We didn't really have open ships this season but yet Fran still went out and recruited two guys that will play post positions. I am still scratching my head over this as both are likely 1-2 seasons away from playing quality minutes and they both will be playing positions where we have plenty of solid young talent at. We are short on ships right now and have glaring holes at I would say both guard positions but yet when are we going to get that quality PG or even a quality combo guard? I mean this could break the back for Iowa Basketball.
I agree but they also have been dipping into the transfer market to put out a quality product and now are presently using it to find plugs for future holes so they can maintain their program.
Iowa can't afford to go back to the bottom of the B1G for a year or two it will erase all momentum this program had. Next year there really isn't backcourt reinforcements coming nor is there really 2 years from now.
You're pushing the panic button too soon.
Fran needs something to fill the holes while other guys are developing. Williams and Jbo may develope into solid guards at Iowa but while they do Iowa is leaving a one-two year gap at the position. I think Fran puts too much faith in developing recruits. But if half your roster is another year or two or three away you are going to have holes. He has to restart that process too quickly sometimes as well with guys that leave after a year or two. That means some ships don't get quality play for 3-4 years.
I would imagine there will be a couple players gone that would provide room for a grad transfer.
No just a week ago I was a guy telling everyone we all need to have patience and I am still that guy to an extent. However what I have seen in this last week is that our guard play is so bad right now it's looking like it will take an entire season for these guys to grow to a level that will get a passing grade. Everyone that has been in the program for 2 or more years outside Jok hasn't progressed offensively or defensively from last year. Maybe small steps but nothing major. The defense is bad, I mean bad teams can still score at times at will against us. This team's learning curve could be so long that they play themselves out of any post season tournament. (I was hoping for the NIT). And then next year these guys need to figure out how replace 35-40% of their offense and their one above avg backcourt piece.
The thing that made Iowa good the last three years is there was some balance. Balance in scoring, balance in experience, balance between the front and backcourts, and balance on offense and defense. This year there is no balance.
Like Creighton did 2 years ago in the Big East (finished last or second to last and now are in the top 10)? I get it - they added Huff, Watson and Foster - Iowa was in on Huff - wasn't due to lack of trying. Iowa got Uthoff - I don't think it's like Fran isn't trying to get transfers - he'll get them if they'll come. Every team rebuilds unless you're one of the top 4 or 5 programs in the country, Iowa is no different. I think there is plenty in the pipeline for recruiting as well as a lot of impressive underclassman playing this season. I think we're all hitting the panic button too quick with this team
Just don't think some of these guys would be playing on other Big Ten teams besides bottom feeders. Baer is a valuable player but he is somebody that on a good team would be an energy guy off the bench for 10 minutes a game. not a starter. I just don't see the talent people are talking about. They are young for sure, but talented.. I don't know about that.
Agree with this. Also why I am partially hitting the panic button but more of an alert button. I am concerned with the lack of improvement in a lot of these guys that have been with the program for 2 or more years. And just overall how we are getting very little right now from the '14 and '15 recruiting classes. The writing was on the wall for Fran I think after the '13 class when we only had one ship for Jok that the next two classes were going to need to bring in some guys that could not just play B1G basketball but start and give 25 plus minutes. This could now lead to a 2 yr rebuild just to get us back to competing for a spot in the dance. I think this is what Creighton saw and why they started bringing in a bunch of transfers. Out here in PAC 12 land Utah is getting some early props for bringing in transfers to prevent themselves from dropping to the bottom. Gonzaga also prevented themselves from falling by adding transfers.
We have 2 types of players. Some have significant athletic talent, but limited basketball skills. Wagner, Williams, Uhl, and Moss all have plenty of athletic talent, but are a wine before their time on the court. They make some plays that are ooohs and awes and just as many that are ah shucks.
Some of the good bb skills guys lack the athletic talent to be significant contributors at this point.
No one is holding the others accountable on the defensive end. Jok and Cook have talent and skill, but can't/don't defend.
There's plenty to like and look forward to, and unfortunately plenty of pain to endure before we get there.
Some of the good bb skills guys lack the athletic talent to be significant contributors at this point.
No one is holding the others accountable on the defensive end. Jok and Cook have talent and skill, but can't/don't defend.
There's plenty to like and look forward to, and unfortunately plenty of pain to endure before we get there.
Agree.
This isn't yanking a guys scholly for no reason other than you've got someone better available.
This is sitting each young man down after the season and letting them know where they stand.
If they still want to stay knowing that the chances they'll see much floor time are low, then they stay. However, I think it's highly likely that if you tell 2 or 3 guys they're going to ride the bench at least 1( if not all 3) will want to find another opportunity at a place more suited to their skills.
I'm proud of my U of I degree, but let's not kid ourselves about the academics. These young men(for the most part) go to a school because they want to play and not because the U of I is the only place that can fulfill their academic goals.
I like the futures of Moss and Dailey. Eventually, with playing time/experience, they will be good. I like Kiener and Garza for effectively covering the post position on both ends of the court in the future. Cook, Nunge, Baer and maybe Wagner at the forward positions. However, Wagner still has no offensive game in his skill set. PG is a black hole with nobody on board or coming to run the offense effectively/efficiently and so far Williams and JBo have not gotten the job done on the defensive end either.
I think on the topic of some of the recruits have all the athletic ability but lack the basketball IQ part Fran needs to realize he and his coaching staff aren't getting the job done improving a lot of them in the time these guys need to be ready for major minutes to compete. If that is the case he needs to make changes on his staff or start recruiting some ready made transfers that can fill holes for a year or two.
"so far" .... this is why athletes are athletes...then there are the rest of us. Playing D1 is an accomplishment the rest of us cannot even imagine. I'm pretty sure...we have not seen the best of them just yet. In the meantime (while they are in the process of getting better)....6 games into a season does not finalize anything.
I have mixed feelings about the grad transfer because if you are developing a guy at a particular position you are basically stiffling that development for the season the grad transfer is playing.
I am actually pleased with what I see from Bohannen. He's not there yet but I think he is going to be pretty good with some more experience. He will be a very good shooter in time which we did not have with any of our PGs under Fran.
I like the length, athleticism and ball handling of Williams but am disappointed with his lack of aggressiveness to score the ball at times. He does not seem to play with much confidence and if he did I think he'd be much better.
I also disagree with Auger about having an poorer season stopping program momentum. There have been plenty of programs in our stratosphere that have been up and down and back up again.
I am actually pleased with what I see from Bohannen. He's not there yet but I think he is going to be pretty good with some more experience. He will be a very good shooter in time which we did not have with any of our PGs under Fran.
I like the length, athleticism and ball handling of Williams but am disappointed with his lack of aggressiveness to score the ball at times. He does not seem to play with much confidence and if he did I think he'd be much better.
I also disagree with Auger about having an poorer season stopping program momentum. There have been plenty of programs in our stratosphere that have been up and down and back up again.
Disagree. These players should be developing in practice, not out on the court. Look at Wisconsin. Each year they have guys who've been sitting on the bench 1-2 years come in and contribute in a positive way. They've been developing those players in practice.
So if they're not major contributors as freshman we should just flush them and MoveOn I don't think you get a very good reputation doing that and we're not Kentucky where were bringing in four and five star players in groups of five let's be a little patient here people
Jok is averaging about 25 a game I'd say that's a pretty good improvement offensively. He might be the best shooting guard in the big ten. So I'm going to step out on a limb and say he is way above average
I don't know what you read there but I said everyone outside of Jok hasn't really progressed that has been in the program 2 or more years. So that means yes Jok has progressed but everyone else really hasn't.
You go ahead and be patient and hope there is some up side to this squad of misfits. Meanwhile, Tyler Cook will likely be off to greener pastures vs. wasting his time here playing with guards who would not start in the Horizon League. If you think I am joking, watch their games.
How many years does Fran get to talk incessantly about what the team lacks, then not address it via recruiting? More 3 position guys who do all these great things in practice against each other. Can you imagine what ISU will do to Iowa? Smother Jok and watch the circus unfold of turnovers and ineffective offense.
How many years does Fran get to talk incessantly about what the team lacks, then not address it via recruiting? More 3 position guys who do all these great things in practice against each other. Can you imagine what ISU will do to Iowa? Smother Jok and watch the circus unfold of turnovers and ineffective offense.
We need guards, guards, and guards with quicks, dribble drive, 3ball skills and that can play defense. I know we have ConnorM. coming in, but he fits the profile of a combination of Ellingsen/Bohannon. We are loaded with smaller post players....I agree, the scholarships went to areas of strength and don't address the burning needs.
