Good image on Trice foul of JBO. No doubt it is a foul and that JBO has started his shooting motion
Trice Foul
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Appears to be a Trice hold, definitely not a good angle to show a JB h&h.
It was also right in front of the ref. That is, at worst, a 50/50 call. It's not like there was no contact at all. And after Boroski called a held ball when JBo was getting mauled and Davison flopped, Pissconsin fans can stick their indignation at the officiating up their ass.
Trice definitely stuck his hand in there. Maybe Jordan clamped down a little, but there was no drag to the ground like the other one that was very real. The Badger style of physicality is getting them beat. Not just because the officials called it. Now, if their coach's last name was say....Izzo....that would be a different story.
Trice was beat around the screen and was trying to catch up, playing from behind, Trice had the best reason to hook, aka foul.
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Wis. was grabbing at an Iowa player going around a screen all game long. Trice should have picked up his 5th foul just under the 3:30 mark, but they gave it to Davison. I figure Trice got 7 fouls in the game.
Trice gave a forearm to Jbo's body and that's why Jbo moved to his left. Did Jbo help sell it? Yes, he did.
So why was trices arm there off the screen?
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It is a foul everyother time a player pushes a shooter. i think this counts also.
Trice didn't complain when the foul was called. He knew he had done it. It's just the Wisconsin fans that don't seem to grasp that their team is actually pretty crappy this year.
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First....it was RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF....
Second, when you watch the video Trice clearly had grabbed JBO's arm....in live action I thought we got a lucky call. In replay, seeing it with less clarity-more distance-than the officials view, it was clearly a foul on Trice.
Wisconsin has gotten away with A LOT of fouls over the years....very sneaky and very good at fouling without it looking egregious. They often create contact below the waist during the shooting motion that is felt by the shooter...and is out of the focus of refs watching the shot motion.
Second, when you watch the video Trice clearly had grabbed JBO's arm....in live action I thought we got a lucky call. In replay, seeing it with less clarity-more distance-than the officials view, it was clearly a foul on Trice.
Wisconsin has gotten away with A LOT of fouls over the years....very sneaky and very good at fouling without it looking egregious. They often create contact below the waist during the shooting motion that is felt by the shooter...and is out of the focus of refs watching the shot motion.
This ^^. I'm starting to wonder if Gard was pissed at the reviews because they teach this type of fouling and they are very good at it. In realtime, it's hard to see the fouls they are committing, even the hook and hold Davidson committed on Murray. Why that was a double foul is beyond me.
So Davison had 5 at halftime am i right
Luckily Bo Ryan is not still Whisky’s coach. Nobody worked the officials like Bo (maybe Izzo ). Bo always got the 50/50 calls for many years. It seemed like Iowa always got the fuzzy end of the lollipop in these close games. Time for the Hawks to finally get some breaks.
Late in the game, Davison was trying to nudge Murray out of bounds after he snagged CMac's missed free throw. Fortunately, Keegan got the TO first.
Good post. Davison has mastered his craft. If you watch him closely the guy is like a good pick pocket. He is always getting in some little jab, poke, push, knee, etc., but usually does it during other action. He pulled Murray backwards which should have been a flagrant. He clearly hooked Murray in plain sight. He was grabbing / holding Jbo the whole game. Dude is kind of a head case IMO. I have seen multiple games where he gets called for a foul on a cheap shot and then runs over to help the guy up. I think it was Penn State when he got whistled for a cheap shot foul and then ran over to help the guy up. PSU player ignored his help up so Davison locked it in his other hand and emulated helping him up.
This, I really wish someone would punch him in the face. Is that bad of me?
No, I feel the same way. Their coach probably calls the badger style of play aggressive but yesterday it blew up in their faces and rightly so. No question JBO was fouled and Wiscy fans, coaches and players need to stop their bitchy whining and grow up. I can't stand those smug pricks.
Where is McCabe when you need him!
On the bench with 5 fouls 😉
We don't agree on much, but this, I can agree with.
It was not a double but 2 separate fouls....there are only 2 reviewable foul plays that can be changed or added: cylinder and hook/hold. they are the only ones that can be changed and don't require the gm to be under the 2 min mark for review. So you cannot change the original push in the back by Keegan, but because they are required to review the hook and hold it is added to as a subsequent foul. As a result, both fouls are adjudicated. Thus a 1 and 1(I believe for Wis player) then the 2 for the confirmation of H&H on the other end for Murray...then you resume play at POI so Iowa's ball. Conversely had you called a double foul or double technical, neither is shot only fouls tallied against player and team total...but ball put in at POI. A flagrant is reviewed not to add another but to determine a common or upgraded to F1 or beyond. On the cylinder call that was made. Unless "intent" is determined on the BHD which I thought was Bohannon swinging through Trice and bloodying his nose? then the BHD is allowed to make a "basketball move" being allowed his own cylinder to do so thus contact made to the defender then is determined incidental by BHD but a cylinder violation(illegal by defender) or tough shit for the defender sticking his mug in there. Hope that makes sense?
This is exactly correct. He should have been out on that JBo steal and breakaway if that is the one you’re talking about.
when watching it live I thought it was a foul. Trice was obviously making contact with JoBo while he was in a the act of shooting.
say there is no screen and JoBo just pulls up for a regular shot from 25 ft with Trice’s elbow in his rib cage..... that would be considered a foul.
say there is no screen and JoBo just pulls up for a regular shot from 25 ft with Trice’s elbow in his rib cage..... that would be considered a foul.
Cool, makes up for the other eleventy billion times Wisconsin grabbed Iowa players around screens. ****ing ridiculous how the officiating crew doesn't stop that shit in the first 5 minutes of the game.
They can't go back and review a foul (I think) but when they went back and seen who really caused the foul then they were able to correct the call somewhat. with the foul on Davidson.JMO
wow and Bo called it but he hates us ! lol
I guess that makes sense in some backwards way, but I’m not certain you are correct. I seem to remember a play in the past couple years where an opposing team was called for a foul but then was overturned because it was determined that the Iowa player hooked and held. That being said, I could easily remember incorrectly.
IF a double foul, why did they shoot on both ends? I'll save you the trouble...they were 2 SEPARATE fouls...reread before replying again
Only cylinder and hook/hold can be reviewed to either rule a foul or take either away. All others cannot be changed only determined to be common or upgraded. EXAMPLE: Last year in a game I attended.. PSU @ Iowa. Original ruling was PCF against Joe T at 28' line in frontcourt. Because there was contact(Joe T's elbow to face of defender) the crew went to the monitor. It was determined that it was a "cylinder violation/foul" against the defender so the original PCF against Joe T was rescinded. Cylinder foul was called, not in bonus, so POI closest to spot of original whistle, Iowa throw in.
Wasnt it Trice’s brother McCabe hip tossed along the sideline? Trice’s mom came down to the Iowa student section and began bitching out fans.
D’Mitrik seems like the least punchable one in his family though.
