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Trump’s ‘Stupid,’ ‘Stupid’ Town Hall

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By Frank Bruni
Mr. Bruni is a contributing Opinion writer who was on the staff of The Times for more than 25 years.
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Given all the attention to President Biden’s cognitive fitness for a second presidential term, it seems fair, even mandatory, to assess Donald Trump’s performance at a televised town hall in Manchester, N.H., on Wednesday night through the same lens:
How clear was his thinking? How sturdy his tether to reality? How appropriate his demeanor?
On a scale of 1 to Marjorie Taylor Greene, I’d give him an 11.
He was asked to respond to a Manhattan jury’s verdict the previous day that he had sexually abused and defamed the writer E. Jean Carroll.
He said that Carroll once had a cat named Vagina.
He was asked about his failure to deliver on his signature promise to voters in 2016 — that he’d build a wall stretching across the southwestern border of the United States.
“I did finish the wall,” he said, just a few beats before adding that Biden could have easily and quickly completed the stretch that still hasn’t been built if he’d cared to. The statements contradicted each other. They made no sense. They were his entire performance in a nutshell.
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He was asked about his role in the Jan. 6 violence and whether he had regrets.
He reminisced mistily about addressing the rally before the riot — “It was the largest crowd I’ve ever spoken to,” he boasted — and about how they were there “with love in their hearts.” The problem, he said, was “Crazy Nancy,” meaning Pelosi, whose fault all of this really was.
It’s never Trump’s — not on this score, not on any other, not when a jury rules against him, not when voters pick someone else to be in the White House, not when he’s indicted, not when he’s impeached, not when he’s impeached a second time, not when he’s caught hiding classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, not when he’s caught on tape.
He was grilled about such a tape, the one after Election Day 2020 that has him ordering the Republican secretary of state in Georgia, which Biden narrowly won, to overturn that result by finding him more votes.
“I didn’t ask him to find anything,” Trump insisted, incorrectly. “I said, ‘You owe me votes.’” Whew! I’m glad that’s cleared up.
In response to question after question, on issue after issue, Trump denied incontrovertible facts, insisted on alternative ones, spoke of America as a country swirling down the toilet, spoke of himself as the only politician who could save it, framed his presidency as one that outshone all the others, projected his own flaws and mistakes on his critics and opponents, expressed contempt for them and claimed persecution.



He was, in other words, a font of lies keeping true to himself, ever the peacock, always cuckoo. The evening made utterly clear — just in case there was a scintilla of doubt — that his latest, third bid for the White House won’t be any kind of reset, just a full-on rehash. And that was inevitable, because someone like Trump doesn’t change. His self-infatuation precludes any possibility of that.
The town hall, hosted by CNN and moderated heroically by the anchor Kaitlan Collins, played like a kind of Mad Libs of hundreds of Trump’s public appearances and interviews since he jumped into the presidential fray back in 2015. Some of the proper nouns were different. Some of the dates had changed. Almost everything else was the same.
Instead of complaining about the insufficient financial contributions of NATO’s member countries, he complained about the insufficient financial contributions of European nations to Ukraine’s war effort. His descriptions of the evil, dangerous hordes poised to stream into the United States from Mexico right now sounded like a remix of his descriptions, on the day he announced his first presidential campaign nearly eight years ago, of the evil, dangerous hordes supposedly streaming in then.
In an ugly echo of the 2016 presidential debate when he called Hillary Clinton “nasty,” he called Collins “nasty.” The “very stable genius,” as he once pronounced himself, has a very static vocabulary.

And he has no acquaintance with a thesaurus, dignity or maturity. “Stupid,” “stupid,” “stupid” — he kept using that word, I guess because it’s so presidential. He applied it to anyone who doesn’t believe that the 2020 election was stolen and rigged. He applied it to everything about the Biden administration and Democrats in Washington.
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“Our country is being destroyed by stupid people — by very stupid people,” he said. He never ascended to an altitude of eloquence above that.
A word about CNN: Its decision to give Trump this platform was widely attacked, but the network was correct to recognize that he is a relevant, potent political force who cannot be ignored and must be thoroughly vetted. Collins was clearly and rightly encouraged to challenge every false claim that he made, and she did precisely that, demonstrating great knowledge and preternatural poise.
But where CNN went wrong was in the audience it assembled, a generally adoring crowd who laughed heartily at Trump’s jokes, clapped lustily at his insults and thrilled to his every puerile flourish. When several of them had their turns at the microphone, their questions were air kisses, which is why Collins had to keep stepping in to slap Trump around with her own. The contrast — her righteous firmness, their star-struck flaccidity — was disorienting and repellent. Between now and November 2024, we’re in for a stranger and scarier ride than in any other presidential election in my lifetime, and there’s no telling how it will end.
That was the moral of the much-discussed poll by The Washington Post and ABC News that was released last weekend. It not only gave Trump a six-point lead over Biden in a hypothetical matchup but also showed that voters deem Trump, 76, more physically and mentally fit for the presidency than Biden, 80.
I’ll grant Trump his vigor. During the town hall, he spoke emphatically and energetically.
But vigor isn’t competence, and that brings me back to the start. I myself have observed that Biden often doesn’t seem as clear and focused as he did in the past, but next to a man who insouciantly brags that he could end the war between Ukraine and Russia in 24 hours, as Trump did on Wednesday night?
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Next to a man who also reprised his claims of some godlike power to declassify documents by simply staring at them and thinking unclassified thoughts?
Next to a man who sires his own reality, comes to believe in that fantasy while it’s still in diapers, considers himself omnipotent, fancies himself omniscient and replaces genuine reflection with disingenuous navel gazing?
That was Trump at the town hall. That was Trump for his four years in office. That would be Trump if he gets back to the White House. And it’s no display of superior cognition. Just a reminder of the madness that this country can’t seem to put behind it.

 
"Star-struck flaccidity" is an excellent way to describe the mindset of the average MAGA, especially the one's whom attend Trump rallies.

Edit: Pitch idea to Weird Al to create parody song based off of Queensrÿche "Silent Lucidity"
 
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If CNN doesn't want Trump to get elected they shouldn't put him on the television in an event like this. As bad as a president as he is, as unpredictable as a leader as he is, he is an excellent showman. Give that guy a stage to perform on and he is going to light up a few segments with his TV personality skills.

The presidency is a popularity contest more-so than one of steady leadership and intellect. Sadly I think he crushes Biden if it is between those two in 2024 (unless things start to turn on the economic and global relationships front). The democrats need to allow debates for their primaries with Biden (to see if he can handle it at his age) and the Republicans need to spotlight someone other than Trump to try and be their champion.

Lets say ANYONE with high intellect, leadership skills, some actual integrity, previous success outside of govt and a level head that is under the age of 65.

Lets stop electing the ultra olds and candidates bc they will "own the other side".
 
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"Star-struck flaccidity" is an excellent way to describe the mindset of the average MAGA, especially the one's whom attend Trump rallies.
These types of descriptions are what made Bruni such an entertaining food critic. Never cared for his political writing.
 
If CNN doesn't want Trump to get elected they shouldn't put him on the television in an event like this. As bad as a president as he is, as unpredictable as a leader as he is, he is an excellent showman. Give that guy a stage to perform on and he is going to light up a few segments with his TV personality skills.

The presidency is a popularity contest more-so than one of steady leadership and intellect. Sadly I think he crushes Biden if it is between those two in 2024 (unless things start to turn on the economic and global relationships front). The democrats need to allow debates for their primaries with Biden (to see if he can handle it at his age) and the Republicans need to spotlight someone other than Trump to try and be their champion.

Lets say ANYONE with high intellect, leadership skills, some actual integrity, previous success outside of govt and a level head that is under the age of 65.

Let’s stop electing the ultra olds and candidates bc they will "own the other side".
During the 2016 Republican primaries, CNN wouldn’t give any other Republican candidates any oxygen. Their coverage of the Republican primaries was all-Trump, all of the time. And then their analysts would express dismay that he was winning the primary and that he won the election. It was so frustrating.

Obviously this wasn’t just a CNN thing. The entire media got hooked on running with the lazy story about the most recent outrageous thing he did or said. They just gave him the oxygen he needed and starved everyone else of it. And then couldn’t understand how his presidency happened.
 
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Election is a long ways away,.. Trump is gong to slowly lose ground to the competition as it becomes more and more apparent that he can't win a general election.
When will Rs start announcing? So far Haley is the only prominent challenger.
 
During the 2016 Republican primaries, CNN wouldn’t give any other Republican candidates any oxygen. Their coverage of the Republican primaries was all-Trump, all of the time. And then their analysts would express dismay that he was winning the primary and that he won the election. It was so frustrating.

Obviously this wasn’t just a CNN thing. The entire media got hooked on running with the lazy story about the most recent outrageous thing he did or said. They just gave him the oxygen he needed and starved everyone else of it. And then couldn’t understand how his presidency happened.

I think the confusing part for a lot of people is that the more you see of Trump, the more foul and repulsive he should be.

Like if the History channel covered the Nazis as a week long special, you'd think the perception of Nazis would become even more negative, not become more positive.
 
I think the confusing part for a lot of people is that the more you see of Trump, the more foul and repulsive he should be.

Like if the History channel covered the Nazis as a week long special, you'd think the perception of Nazis would become even more negative, not become more positive.
Yep. It tells you a lot about our fellow citizens, which is sad.
 
Asked if Putin is guilty of war crimes, (paraphrasing) Don't go after him now, if you go after him and execute him, you will just make him mad. Really? Then he goes on and tells about all of the 100s of thousands of people are dying and they are bombing all of those buildings etc etc. Hey donnie, maybe that's why people are wondering about Putin's war crimes, dumbass.
 
I think the confusing part for a lot of people is that the more you see of Trump, the more foul and repulsive he should be.

Like if the History channel covered the Nazis as a week long special, you'd think the perception of Nazis would become even more negative, not become more positive.
The scary thing is I think we ALL have underestimated the amount of Americans that have a “you know, Hitler DID have some pretty compelling ideas” mindset.

I know I have.
 
Asked if Putin is guilty of war crimes, (paraphrasing) Don't go after him now, if you go after him and execute him, you will just make him mad. Really? Then he goes on and tells about all of the 100s of thousands of people are dying and they are bombing all of those buildings etc etc. Hey donnie, maybe that's why people are wondering about Putin's war crimes, dumbass.
How can anyone with a third grade education not see through him? What is the draw? I don’t get it.
 
If CNN doesn't want Trump to get elected they shouldn't put him on the television in an event like this. As bad as a president as he is, as unpredictable as a leader as he is, he is an excellent showman. Give that guy a stage to perform on and he is going to light up a few segments with his TV personality skills.

The presidency is a popularity contest more-so than one of steady leadership and intellect. Sadly I think he crushes Biden if it is between those two in 2024 (unless things start to turn on the economic and global relationships front). The democrats need to allow debates for their primaries with Biden (to see if he can handle it at his age) and the Republicans need to spotlight someone other than Trump to try and be their champion.

Lets say ANYONE with high intellect, leadership skills, some actual integrity, previous success outside of govt and a level head that is under the age of 65.

Lets stop electing the ultra olds and candidates bc they will "own the other side".
CNN is the network that made Trump a viable candidate in 2015-2016. Not fux but CNN. Let that sink in.
 
It'll happen when it happens,.. and because most conservative voters are pretty tight lipped about their position on Trump, it won't be truly apparent until he's dead in the water.

Hope you’re right, but there’s been zero evidence that this conservative voter you speak of exists. We heard this in 2016, and ever since then; but the conservative bloc has been solidly behind Trump all along when the chips are down.
 
How can anyone with a third grade education not see through him? What is the draw? I don’t get it.
I think most of the remaining hold outs are just so deeply entrenched right now that they refuse to admit they were wrong to support him to begin with. They've also surrounded themselves with people who think just like them so they have a very myopic viewpoint of how the rest of the country feels about that man.

If you go on the cesspool called Twitter, you will see so many hardcore Trump supporters that only insulate themselves with other trump supporters so they assume that 95% percent of the rest of the country agrees with their viewpoints.

Oh yeah, you can't forget, most of them feel the need to "own the libs" at any cost as well. Very sad but lest we not forget they're still a small minority of adults, they're just often times the loudest.

Just my two cents, Pretty sure everyone knows that at this point, however.
 
Idiot reporter asked about then guards whipping Hatians. He corrected her and she said well that’s not how I saw it. Then asked how Hatians and Africans were going to get special help.
 
LOL da fuq do borders have to do with Trump's town hall?
Did you not read his post? I made a response to his post. He made a dumb comment about a hypothetical event occurring and I pointed out to him that bad shit he needs to worry about is already happening.

But you can’t read and never have any fvcking clue about any topic so I understand your confusion.
 
Trump is gong to slowly lose ground to the competition as it becomes more and more apparent that he can't win a general election.
We've been told this over and over since he lost the last election. Yet, he's still the leader of the party, and damn near every single republican elected official stays silent about him. Why is that? I know why. It's because if they speak out against him, they'll get voted out.

Until that changes, Trump owns the party.
 
We've been told this over and over since he lost the last election. Yet, he's still the leader of the party, and damn near every single republican elected official stays silent about him. Why is that? I know why. It's because if they speak out against him, they'll get voted out.

Until that changes, Trump owns the party.
Worse than staying silent, many are endorsing him! He has 10-12 US Senators, dozens of House members who have already endorsed him. Not to mention tons of state and local politicians.
 
Yep. It tells you a lot about our fellow citizens, which is sad.
His supporters squawk the loudest. They’re the not so smart kids who throw the tantrums, but I think only the hard core blue collar types in old trucks with fat religious wives are sticking with him.

I’m on the fence about whether this was a good move by CNN but I will say that either way they sure have kickstarted things for 2024. And they’re going to force the other candidates to make some moves. It’s gonna get interesting.
 
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