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Trump’s F.B.I. Pick Has an Enemies List. Biden Should Pardon Everyone on It.

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There are few good things to be said about Donald Trump’s plan to fire the F.B.I. director, Chris Wray, and install in his place Kash Patel, a thuggish lackey who has spent years fantasizing about taking revenge on Trump’s enemies. But there is one: Patel has helpfully provided us with a list of people President Biden should pardon before he leaves office.
Patel’s 2023 book, “Government Gangsters: The Deep State, the Truth, and the Battle for Our Democracy,” purports to show how government employees who defied Trump constitute a shadowy cabal that is “the most dangerous threat to our democracy.” The “deep state,” in Patel’s telling, is “as treacherous and evil as the villains portrayed in books and movies.” Virtually every investigation of Trump and his allies, Patel suggests, is part of a monstrous plot against “the people’s president.” The book strongly implies that Jan. 6, “the insurrection that never was,” was encouraged by “deep state” agitators and then used as a pretext to persecute patriotic Trump supporters. In a blurb on the book jacket, Trump wrote, “We will use this blueprint to help us take back the White House and remove these gangsters from all of government!”
Who are these gangsters? Patel lists 60 of them in a useful alphabetized appendix. It is not, as he acknowledges, exhaustive, since he limits himself to the executive branch, leaving out “other corrupt actors of the first order” like Senator-elect Adam Schiff, the former Republican House speaker Paul Ryan and “the entire fake news mafia press corps.” His catalog of the “deep state” includes some of Patel’s bureaucratic foes from when he served in Trump’s first administration, like Bill Barr, who as attorney general said that Trump could make Patel the deputy F.B.I. director only “over my dead body,” and Wray, the man Patel would replace.
Patel also lists both the current secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, and Trump’s secretary of defense Mark Esper. Cassidy Hutchinson, the brave young former aide to Mark Meadows who testified before the Jan. 6 committee, is on the list, as is Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump staff member who often criticizes her old boss on “The View.” Naturally, Biden, Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are on it as well.
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Except for himself, Biden should pardon them all, along with pretty much everyone else Patel has singled out by name and those who worked on the Jan. 6 committee. On Wednesday, Jonathan Martin reported in Politico that there’s a “vigorous internal debate” among Biden aides about issuing pre-emptive pardons to officials likely to be unjustly targeted by Trump. A drawback of such pardons, Martin wrote, is that they “could suggest impropriety, only fueling Trump’s criticisms.” After all, Biden may struggle to explain why he’s pardoning people who have done nothing wrong.
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Patel’s appendix, however, makes the case for blanket pardons easier to convey. The breadth of it demonstrates his McCarthyite impulses better than his critics ever could.
Though Biden is not much of a communicator, he could give a speech laying out the well-founded fears that Patel may try to harass the people on his list with spurious investigations. In addition to justifying sweeping pardons, such a speech could prompt a useful nationwide discussion about what it would mean to put a man like Patel in charge of the nation’s premier law enforcement agency.
We are entering a period when the ideal of Justice Department independence will almost certainly be swept away. Political persecution — the kind Trump and his allies claim, falsely, to have been subjected to — will become routine. Biden tried to defend the basic integrity of our imperfect institutions against Trumpist aggression, and he failed. All he can do now is help the American people understand what’s coming and try to protect the ones with MAGA targets on their backs.
Those who view the federal government as a nest of criminal conspirators would, of course, interpret a raft of pardons as confirmation of their worldview. But the fear that Biden’s aggressive use of the pardon power might embolden Trump seems naïve, since all signs suggest that he will be unrestrained, no matter what Democrats do. The only reason for Trump to choose a person like Patel to lead the F.B.I. is to bend it to his will. Democrats can’t arrest that process through fealty to norms that are about to be obliterated. Yes, pardons will give Republicans a cable news talking point. The question is whether denying them that talking point is worth letting Patel ruin people’s lives on Trump’s behalf.



The pardons I’m proposing can’t cover everyone who is vulnerable to Trump’s vengeance. Elsewhere, I’ve argued that Biden should pardon all those involved in mailing abortion pills to states where abortion is banned, since the Trump administration could revive the long-dormant Comstock Act to investigate them. In doing this, Biden would be following a precedent set by Jimmy Carter when he pardoned most of those who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War. But you can’t pardon an anonymous mass of people for breaking unspecified laws; the pardon power wasn’t intended for those who’ve committed no conceivable crimes. If Trump and his cronies can’t use the justice system against those they hate most, they may use other tools, like the I.R.S., or find other scapegoats.
There’s no version of a Trump restoration that doesn’t result in both human and institutional destruction. Biden still has a duty to save who he can.
 
There are few good things to be said about Donald Trump’s plan to fire the F.B.I. director, Chris Wray, and install in his place Kash Patel, a thuggish lackey who has spent years fantasizing about taking revenge on Trump’s enemies. But there is one: Patel has helpfully provided us with a list of people President Biden should pardon before he leaves office.
Patel’s 2023 book, “Government Gangsters: The Deep State, the Truth, and the Battle for Our Democracy,” purports to show how government employees who defied Trump constitute a shadowy cabal that is “the most dangerous threat to our democracy.” The “deep state,” in Patel’s telling, is “as treacherous and evil as the villains portrayed in books and movies.” Virtually every investigation of Trump and his allies, Patel suggests, is part of a monstrous plot against “the people’s president.” The book strongly implies that Jan. 6, “the insurrection that never was,” was encouraged by “deep state” agitators and then used as a pretext to persecute patriotic Trump supporters. In a blurb on the book jacket, Trump wrote, “We will use this blueprint to help us take back the White House and remove these gangsters from all of government!”
Who are these gangsters? Patel lists 60 of them in a useful alphabetized appendix. It is not, as he acknowledges, exhaustive, since he limits himself to the executive branch, leaving out “other corrupt actors of the first order” like Senator-elect Adam Schiff, the former Republican House speaker Paul Ryan and “the entire fake news mafia press corps.” His catalog of the “deep state” includes some of Patel’s bureaucratic foes from when he served in Trump’s first administration, like Bill Barr, who as attorney general said that Trump could make Patel the deputy F.B.I. director only “over my dead body,” and Wray, the man Patel would replace.
Patel also lists both the current secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, and Trump’s secretary of defense Mark Esper. Cassidy Hutchinson, the brave young former aide to Mark Meadows who testified before the Jan. 6 committee, is on the list, as is Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump staff member who often criticizes her old boss on “The View.” Naturally, Biden, Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are on it as well.
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Except for himself, Biden should pardon them all, along with pretty much everyone else Patel has singled out by name and those who worked on the Jan. 6 committee. On Wednesday, Jonathan Martin reported in Politico that there’s a “vigorous internal debate” among Biden aides about issuing pre-emptive pardons to officials likely to be unjustly targeted by Trump. A drawback of such pardons, Martin wrote, is that they “could suggest impropriety, only fueling Trump’s criticisms.” After all, Biden may struggle to explain why he’s pardoning people who have done nothing wrong.
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Patel’s appendix, however, makes the case for blanket pardons easier to convey. The breadth of it demonstrates his McCarthyite impulses better than his critics ever could.
Though Biden is not much of a communicator, he could give a speech laying out the well-founded fears that Patel may try to harass the people on his list with spurious investigations. In addition to justifying sweeping pardons, such a speech could prompt a useful nationwide discussion about what it would mean to put a man like Patel in charge of the nation’s premier law enforcement agency.
We are entering a period when the ideal of Justice Department independence will almost certainly be swept away. Political persecution — the kind Trump and his allies claim, falsely, to have been subjected to — will become routine. Biden tried to defend the basic integrity of our imperfect institutions against Trumpist aggression, and he failed. All he can do now is help the American people understand what’s coming and try to protect the ones with MAGA targets on their backs.
Those who view the federal government as a nest of criminal conspirators would, of course, interpret a raft of pardons as confirmation of their worldview. But the fear that Biden’s aggressive use of the pardon power might embolden Trump seems naïve, since all signs suggest that he will be unrestrained, no matter what Democrats do. The only reason for Trump to choose a person like Patel to lead the F.B.I. is to bend it to his will. Democrats can’t arrest that process through fealty to norms that are about to be obliterated. Yes, pardons will give Republicans a cable news talking point. The question is whether denying them that talking point is worth letting Patel ruin people’s lives on Trump’s behalf.



The pardons I’m proposing can’t cover everyone who is vulnerable to Trump’s vengeance. Elsewhere, I’ve argued that Biden should pardon all those involved in mailing abortion pills to states where abortion is banned, since the Trump administration could revive the long-dormant Comstock Act to investigate them. In doing this, Biden would be following a precedent set by Jimmy Carter when he pardoned most of those who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War. But you can’t pardon an anonymous mass of people for breaking unspecified laws; the pardon power wasn’t intended for those who’ve committed no conceivable crimes. If Trump and his cronies can’t use the justice system against those they hate most, they may use other tools, like the I.R.S., or find other scapegoats.
There’s no version of a Trump restoration that doesn’t result in both human and institutional destruction. Biden still has a duty to save who he can.
You lost..we won…cry harder…
 
There are few good things to be said about Donald Trump’s plan to fire the F.B.I. director, Chris Wray, and install in his place Kash Patel, a thuggish lackey who has spent years fantasizing about taking revenge on Trump’s enemies. But there is one: Patel has helpfully provided us with a list of people President Biden should pardon before he leaves office.
Patel’s 2023 book, “Government Gangsters: The Deep State, the Truth, and the Battle for Our Democracy,” purports to show how government employees who defied Trump constitute a shadowy cabal that is “the most dangerous threat to our democracy.” The “deep state,” in Patel’s telling, is “as treacherous and evil as the villains portrayed in books and movies.” Virtually every investigation of Trump and his allies, Patel suggests, is part of a monstrous plot against “the people’s president.” The book strongly implies that Jan. 6, “the insurrection that never was,” was encouraged by “deep state” agitators and then used as a pretext to persecute patriotic Trump supporters. In a blurb on the book jacket, Trump wrote, “We will use this blueprint to help us take back the White House and remove these gangsters from all of government!”
Who are these gangsters? Patel lists 60 of them in a useful alphabetized appendix. It is not, as he acknowledges, exhaustive, since he limits himself to the executive branch, leaving out “other corrupt actors of the first order” like Senator-elect Adam Schiff, the former Republican House speaker Paul Ryan and “the entire fake news mafia press corps.” His catalog of the “deep state” includes some of Patel’s bureaucratic foes from when he served in Trump’s first administration, like Bill Barr, who as attorney general said that Trump could make Patel the deputy F.B.I. director only “over my dead body,” and Wray, the man Patel would replace.
Patel also lists both the current secretary of defense, Lloyd Austin, and Trump’s secretary of defense Mark Esper. Cassidy Hutchinson, the brave young former aide to Mark Meadows who testified before the Jan. 6 committee, is on the list, as is Alyssa Farah Griffin, a former Trump staff member who often criticizes her old boss on “The View.” Naturally, Biden, Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are on it as well.
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Except for himself, Biden should pardon them all, along with pretty much everyone else Patel has singled out by name and those who worked on the Jan. 6 committee. On Wednesday, Jonathan Martin reported in Politico that there’s a “vigorous internal debate” among Biden aides about issuing pre-emptive pardons to officials likely to be unjustly targeted by Trump. A drawback of such pardons, Martin wrote, is that they “could suggest impropriety, only fueling Trump’s criticisms.” After all, Biden may struggle to explain why he’s pardoning people who have done nothing wrong.
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Patel’s appendix, however, makes the case for blanket pardons easier to convey. The breadth of it demonstrates his McCarthyite impulses better than his critics ever could.
Though Biden is not much of a communicator, he could give a speech laying out the well-founded fears that Patel may try to harass the people on his list with spurious investigations. In addition to justifying sweeping pardons, such a speech could prompt a useful nationwide discussion about what it would mean to put a man like Patel in charge of the nation’s premier law enforcement agency.
We are entering a period when the ideal of Justice Department independence will almost certainly be swept away. Political persecution — the kind Trump and his allies claim, falsely, to have been subjected to — will become routine. Biden tried to defend the basic integrity of our imperfect institutions against Trumpist aggression, and he failed. All he can do now is help the American people understand what’s coming and try to protect the ones with MAGA targets on their backs.
Those who view the federal government as a nest of criminal conspirators would, of course, interpret a raft of pardons as confirmation of their worldview. But the fear that Biden’s aggressive use of the pardon power might embolden Trump seems naïve, since all signs suggest that he will be unrestrained, no matter what Democrats do. The only reason for Trump to choose a person like Patel to lead the F.B.I. is to bend it to his will. Democrats can’t arrest that process through fealty to norms that are about to be obliterated. Yes, pardons will give Republicans a cable news talking point. The question is whether denying them that talking point is worth letting Patel ruin people’s lives on Trump’s behalf.


The pardons I’m proposing can’t cover everyone who is vulnerable to Trump’s vengeance. Elsewhere, I’ve argued that Biden should pardon all those involved in mailing abortion pills to states where abortion is banned, since the Trump administration could revive the long-dormant Comstock Act to investigate them. In doing this, Biden would be following a precedent set by Jimmy Carter when he pardoned most of those who dodged the draft during the Vietnam War. But you can’t pardon an anonymous mass of people for breaking unspecified laws; the pardon power wasn’t intended for those who’ve committed no conceivable crimes. If Trump and his cronies can’t use the justice system against those they hate most, they may use other tools, like the I.R.S., or find other scapegoats.
There’s no version of a Trump restoration that doesn’t result in both human and institutional destruction. Biden still has a duty to save who he can.
Seems like a irresponsible use of the Presidents pardoning power.
 
Seems like a irresponsible use of the Presidents pardoning power.
Also seems like an incredibly irresponsible and dangerous nominee to head the FBI, no?

I'm only asking because in the 3 page thread about Patel, you only trolled Tom. You never commented on the nominee. Yet in this very short thread, you immediately denounce the actions that haven't even been mentioned by Biden yet.
 
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Also seems like an incredibly irresponsible and dangerous nominee to head the FBI, no?
Defintely not who I would have chosen :)

Regardless...preemptive pardons are a horrible idea and unprecedented.

Are these going to be broad pardons for any crimes these folks may have committed during their time working for the administration? That's nuts.

What if some of these folks that are pre-emptively pardoned actually committed crimes?

Horrible precedent.
 
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Defintely not who I would have chosen :)

Regardless...preemptive pardons are a horrible idea and unprecedented.

Are these going to be broad pardons for any crimes these folks may have committed during their time working for the administration? That's nuts.

What if some of these folks that are pre-emptively pardoned actually committed crimes?

Horrible precedent.
Elections have consequences.
 
Defintely not who I would have chosen :)

Regardless...preemptive pardons are a horrible idea and unprecedented.

Are these going to be broad pardons for any crimes these folks may have committed during their time working for the administration? That's nuts.

What if some of these folks that are pre-emptively pardoned actually committed crimes?

Horrible precedent.
I added this bit on to my post afterwards.

"I'm only asking because in the 3 page thread about Patel, you only trolled Tom. You never commented on the nominee. Yet in this very short thread, you immediately denounce the actions that haven't even been mentioned by Biden yet."

You're once again jumping on a situation from an op-ed article that hasn't actually been discussed by anyone of relevance. But completely ignore an actual danger to the country and well known nutjob in a different thread. Another perfect example of why people don't take you seriously on here.

I won't get into a back and forth with ya, because I know you'll say something else dumb. But it is a good past time pointing out all the dumb shit you do on here while claiming to be someone in the middle politically.
 
I added this bit on to my post afterwards.

"I'm only asking because in the 3 page thread about Patel, you only trolled Tom. You never commented on the nominee. Yet in this very short thread, you immediately denounce the actions that haven't even been mentioned by Biden yet."

You're once again jumping on a situation from an op-ed article that hasn't actually been discussed by anyone of relevance. But completely ignore an actual danger to the country and well known nutjob in a different thread. Another perfect example of why people don't take you seriously on here.

I won't get into a back and forth with ya, because I know you'll say something else dumb. But it is a good past time pointing out all the dumb shit you do on here while claiming to be someone in the middle politically.
JFC.

The subject of pardons is in the thread title.

Biden Should Pardon Everyone on It​

 
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Yes he does. When people are on basically a hit list from a wacko who will be in charge of the DoJ, then yes, he needs to protect people. This is an administration who have said repeatedly they are coming after Americans...and it's vindictive BS.
So you'll be fine with Trump pre-emptively pardoning the folks in his administration?
 
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Only if you believe Democrats are going to weaponize the DoJ to imprison Republicans by the dozens.
Joe thinks the DOJ was weaponized against his son.


Donald Trump and Joe Biden may not have much in common. But when it comes to their connections to high-profile prosecutions, they have sounded a similar tune – even in the face of outcry from opponents and some in their own parties.

In announcing a “full and unconditional” pardon for Hunter Biden on Sunday night, Joe Biden condemned what he characterised as an unfair prosecution of his son.

“No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son – and that is wrong,” Biden said.

The president’s criticisms of a politicised system of justice echoed those regularly lobbed by Trump – perhaps most conspicuously in the New York City case involving hush-money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels. That indictment ultimately led to the former president’s conviction on multiple felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal campaign finance violations.
 
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Defintely not who I would have chosen :)

Regardless...preemptive pardons are a horrible idea and unprecedented.

Are these going to be broad pardons for any crimes these folks may have committed during their time working for the administration? That's nuts.

What if some of these folks that are pre-emptively pardoned actually committed crimes?

Horrible precedent.
Unprecedented times considering a felon got elected President. If I was Biden, I would preemptively pardon many that the moron Trump might go after.
 
Joe thinks the DOJ was weaponized against his son.


Donald Trump and Joe Biden may not have much in common. But when it comes to their connections to high-profile prosecutions, they have sounded a similar tune – even in the face of outcry from opponents and some in their own parties.

In announcing a “full and unconditional” pardon for Hunter Biden on Sunday night, Joe Biden condemned what he characterised as an unfair prosecution of his son.

“No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son – and that is wrong,” Biden said.

The president’s criticisms of a politicised system of justice echoed those regularly lobbed by Trump – perhaps most conspicuously in the New York City case involving hush-money payments to adult film star Stormy Daniels. That indictment ultimately led to the former president’s conviction on multiple felony counts of falsifying business records to conceal campaign finance violations.
It was.
 
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We live in different times...before Trump and his minions started yapping I would have agreed wholeheartedly with you.
I agree, but Trump never actually did it. He pardoned criminals, for sure. But he never gave pre-emptive pardons. Now that Biden has you know he will give dozens of them and use Biden as his precedent. Although, just to be clear, I would have done the same thing Biden did. If someone were threatening to put one of my kids through hell just because he's an asshole I would have taken that card out of his hand as well. I think he can make that case with just Biden but if he starts doing it in mass then it opens a door that can't be closed again, at least without the courts and you know this court won't do that if it might be used to protect themselves someday.
 
I agree, but Trump never actually did it. He pardoned criminals, for sure. But he never gave pre-emptive pardons. Now that Biden has you know he will give dozens of them and use Biden as his precedent.
Yes and the difference is Trump will be pardoning criminals by the dozen, if his first administration tells us anything, while the vast vast vast majority of Biden's will not be.
 
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Yes and the difference is Trump will be pardoning criminals by the dozen, if his first administrations tells us anything, while the vast vast vast majority of Biden's will not be.
Somehow I think this part of the situation won't make it to right wing media.
 
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Defintely not who I would have chosen :)

Regardless...preemptive pardons are a horrible idea and unprecedented.

Are these going to be broad pardons for any crimes these folks may have committed during their time working for the administration? That's nuts.

What if some of these folks that are pre-emptively pardoned actually committed crimes?

Horrible precedent.
And, again, you ONLY criticize Biden; even after called on it. Given that our incoming president is a vengeful sociopath, it would seem prudent for an outgoing President to provide protection for likely innocent victims given the extraordinary circumstances.

But tell me you voted for Trump without saying it.
 
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And, again, you ONLY criticize Biden; even after called on it. Given that our income president is a vengeful sociopath, it would seem prudent for an outgoing President to provide protection for likely innocent victims given the extraordinary circumstances.

But tell me you voted for Trump without saying it.
Nobody on this board tries harder and does a worse job at attempting to make themselves seem unbiased and independently in the middle than Bins.
 
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