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Trump Says the Corrupt Part Out Loud

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Amid the flurry of changes to the face of American government—the president may or may not have the right to unilaterally eliminate agencies; engaging in insurrection has been decriminalized while prosecuting it has become grounds for termination; wars of conquest are now on the table—you could be forgiven for missing the news that bribery is basically legal now, as long as you support, or are, Donald Trump.

Consider the Trump administration’s actions yesterday alone: The president officially pardoned Rod Blagojevich, the former Illinois governor who served eight years in prison for corruption, and his Department of Justice suspended its prosecution of New York Mayor Eric Adams for allegedly soliciting bribes from Turkey, despite extremely compelling evidence. (Adams has denied the allegations.) Trump fired the director of the Office of Government Ethics, the chief official making sure government employees comply with ethics requirements, including those concerning conflicts of interest. And he directed the Justice Department to cease enforcing the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which prevents American businesses from bribing foreign officials.

Not bad for a day’s work—but Trump wasn’t done. Today, the administration told The New York Times that Elon Musk’s financial disclosures would not be made public, allowing the shadow president to direct vast swaths of government policy with enormous stakes for his personal fortune without the public knowing the precise areas of overlap.

A running joke in the first Trump term was “Infrastructure Week,” a recurring attempt by the administration to focus media attention on a subject (passing an infrastructure bill) that had no real policy meat to it. This time around, Trump has quietly put together a policy theme—call it “Corruption Week”—for which he has actually delivered the goods. Whether Trump did this intentionally or just had numerous pro-corruption initiatives coincidentally stacked up on his desk is hard to say. What seems clear, however, is that Trump genuinely believes in corruption as a normal and acceptable way to do business.

When he first ran for president, in 2016, Trump cast himself as a master of the system who had strategically donated to public officials in exchange for favors that would advance his business career. This was not mere bluster. Trump’s breakthrough experience in business came by working the corrupt nexis between real estate and politics in New York City. The late journalist Wayne Barrett, writing in The Village Voice, exhaustively detailed Trump’s wheeling and dealing to obtain a subsidized permit to develop a prized spot of land: the Commodore Hotel deal, which put Trump on the map and seeded his reputation as a symbol of capitalism.

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Trump recognized that design and construction had little to do with success in this project. The whole trick was to gain influence among the political brokers who controlled land permitting and could dole out lucrative tax abatements.

Trump’s winning bid for the coveted land “had nothing going for it but connections,” Barrett wrote. On top of being born rich, Trump displayed a genuine talent for finding and exploiting the soft spots in the system. He not only donated to the necessary public officials; he put the governor’s top fundraiser on his own payroll. Trump sought to influence Barrett’s reporting with a mix of threats, promises of some ongoing future relationship between them, and what sounded like a bribe. After discovering that Barrett lived in Brownsville, Trump proposed, “I could get you an apartment, you know. That must be an awfully tough neighborhood.”

As a politician, Trump positioned himself as standing above the corruption of the system. That pose was also a way of defining corruption as so endemic that it could not be identified as a discrete form of behavior. Trump calls everything he opposes “corrupt”: political opposition, news reports, judicial rulings, election results, and so on.

That tactic has worked. In part because the word has grown so ubiquitous during the period when Trump has dominated news coverage, it barely registers anymore. Trump was able to continue owning a private business during his first term while refusing to disclose his tax returns, at the time a stunning violation of anti-corruption norms. Early in his second term, he not only continued those practices but opened up a lucrative new business selling a crypto memecoin that serves both to exploit his own fans and to allow anyone anywhere in the world to enrich him directly.

The chance that any corrupt behavior on behalf of Trump, Musk, or any other member of his administration will be exposed is significantly dampened by Trump’s decision to fire inspectors general en masse. If, by chance, some corruption scandal still comes to light, Trump has stacked the Justice Department with loyalists who will almost certainly look the other way.

You can call this hypocritical, but a more realistic description is that it follows Trump’s understanding of how power works: The people running the system operate it for their own benefit. Smart people figure out how to get in on the corruption and get rich themselves. The people who get left out are suckers.

Trump’s cynical model of the world is not purely a matter of self-interest. His suspension of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act is an actual policy agenda to enable American businesses to bribe officials overseas without violating American law. Trump himself has no need to grease anybody’s palms. He therefore appears to support this reform, as it were, because he genuinely believes in it. And unlike most of his flailing efforts to advance policy objectives, his pro-corruption agenda is comprehensive and well designed. How the rest of Trump’s presidency plays out is anyone’s guess. The consequences of legalizing corruption, however, will be utterly predictable.
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
Link?
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
musk/trump aka Orange Musk have not shown any evidence of wasteful spending. They just say it but never show any evidence, where is exact evidence, this is Dictatorship 101.

I assume there is some waste spending, my gawd Congress's Bills have bloat in them, or spending that turns out to not be delivered with the desired results. It happens in private Corps also.

But lets see the evidence
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
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What Trump is doing: "Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it to create confusion." - Attributed to several different people.

Why we are here: "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled." - Mark Twain

Once you have done these two things, then you can have people that previously I would have described as being reasonably intelligent carrying water for someone whose entire life has essentially been one long exercise in corruption as an anti-corruption crusader.
 
I have had administrators that will put out a google form to vote on something they want to change at work.
They will say: "virtually everyone voted for the change", yet when you ask around you can't find anyone who wanted it. Admin would not share the results and get very very defensive when questioned about it.
That is government by trump. Everything is a mandate, lie about something then give not evidence and we find out later, it was indeed a lie.
 
Not bad for a day’s work—but Trump wasn’t done. Today, the administration told The New York Times that Elon Musk’s financial disclosures would not be made public, allowing the shadow president to direct vast swaths of government policy with enormous stakes for his personal fortune without the public knowing the precise areas of overlap.
This seems potentially open to a FOIA challenge.
 
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Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
I don’t think anybody is upset about him, exposing corruption and waste.

Personally, I am upset for two primary reasons:
  • Musk does not have any constitutional authority, nor does anyone in the executive branch, to eliminate federal agencies or to stop their funding mandates that come from Congress. This could absolutely be happening if the proper procedures were being followed: which means Congress has to do it. Eroding our delineation of powers and checks and balances is very dangerous.
  • Almost everything that fElon has called fraud and waste has already been proven incorrect. Condoms were sent to a place in Africa called Gaza that suffers from horrific HIV. Not to Hamas. He said that millions of dollars were spent on “magic.“ That money was actually sent to help build a children’s science museum in a city called Magic. It goes on and on to the point he hasn’t really found anything. If people who really want to get rid of fraud and corruption actually cared, they would realize that all of these lies are doing a huge discredit to the actual work.
 
I don’t think anybody is upset about him, exposing corruption and waste.

Personally, I am upset for two primary reasons:
  • Musk does not have any constitutional authority, nor does anyone in the executive branch, to eliminate federal agencies or to stop their funding mandates that come from Congress. This could absolutely be happening if the proper procedures were being followed: which means Congress has to do it. Eroding our delineation of powers and checks and balances is very dangerous.
  • Almost everything that fElon has called fraud and waste has already been proven incorrect. Condoms were sent to a place in Africa called Gaza that suffers from horrific HIV. Not to Hamas. He said that millions of dollars were spent on “magic.“ That money was actually sent to help build a children’s science museum in a city called Magic. It goes on and on to the point he hasn’t really found anything. If people who really want to get rid of fraud and corruption actually cared, they would realize that all of these lies are doing a huge discredit to the actual work.
these things have been explained.

people ignore these kinds of comments (i've made a couple that get zero response) and then come back and disingenuously wonder "why is everyone mad at elon?...he's just exposing fraud"
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
What corruption?

Are you ever going to attempt to answer this question?
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up
Funny you mention evidence. That's what I would like from Trump and Musk.

All Musk ever says is "found corruption in x agency" without anything further to add. Why should we believe him? Also, you never answered this but why is having a foreign born billionaire complete access to our systems a good idea?
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high.
Because they aren't. You are just so gullible you believe every lie which comes from trump and eloon''s mouth.
And why aren't you upset about the rule of law, the intentional shitting on the Constitution, the power grab by the assholes in the executive branch which are now trying to rule over the courts and the legislature. What is so great about turning the country over to an unelected nazi?
For the record, trumps popularity isn't that much better, there are just too many people who don't care.
 
I don’t think anybody is upset about him, exposing corruption and waste.

Personally, I am upset for two primary reasons:
  • Musk does not have any constitutional authority, nor does anyone in the executive branch, to eliminate federal agencies or to stop their funding mandates that come from Congress. This could absolutely be happening if the proper procedures were being followed: which means Congress has to do it. Eroding our delineation of powers and checks and balances is very dangerous.
  • Almost everything that fElon has called fraud and waste has already been proven incorrect. Condoms were sent to a place in Africa called Gaza that suffers from horrific HIV. Not to Hamas. He said that millions of dollars were spent on “magic.“ That money was actually sent to help build a children’s science museum in a city called Magic. It goes on and on to the point he hasn’t really found anything. If people who really want to get rid of fraud and corruption actually cared, they would realize that all of these lies are doing a huge discredit to the actual work.
I don't think the wop cares or understands the consequences of the highlighted above. Magats are willing to eliminate freedom for future generations just for the pleasure of being obtuse and/or stupid on the subject of owning the libs.
 
Funny you mention evidence. That's what I would like from Trump and Musk.

All Musk ever says is "found corruption in x agency" without anything further to add. Why should we believe him? Also, you never answered this but why is having a foreign born billionaire complete access to our systems a good idea?
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
"raising the bar for evidence"

yes, the bar is above "just saying something on twitter"
 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
What do YOU consider as evidence of corruption?
 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
Not only do you continue to dodge the question about the legitimacy of his claims, you’ve also failed to establish anybody who is upset about uncovering fraud and corruption.

Please show me the people who are against uncovering fraud and corruption.
 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
Why is posting something on X considered evidence?
 
"raising the bar for evidence"

yes, the bar is above "just saying something on twitter"
That is why I question the intelligence of any magat. They got brainwashed by rush limbaugh, fox news, and now they are relying on an unelected nazi to truthfully report his illegal activities, when truth, in his mind, is only anything that will help him get more power.
 
Funny you mention evidence. That's what I would like from Trump and Musk.

All Musk ever says is "found corruption in x agency" without anything further to add. Why should we believe him? Also, you never answered this but why is having a foreign born billionaire complete access to our systems a good idea?

Not only that, but Musk's "work" is protected from FOIA requests for 10 years. You'd think with all the corruption and fraud he'd want all this info to be public - but guess not.
 
Not only that, but Musk's "work" is protected from FOIA requests for 10 years. You'd think with all the corruption and fraud he'd want all this info to be public - but guess not.
i wonder when elon and vivek are going to be doing their first podcast episode...

 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
Again, I'm not against it but it shouldn't be a foreign born billionaire who wasn't voted to the spot nor congressionally approved. He should not have access to my information. This shouldn't be partisan. Still can't figure out why any American would be for this.
 
Again, I'm not against it but it shouldn't be a foreign born billionaire who wasn't voted to the spot nor congressionally approved. He should not have access to my information. This shouldn't be partisan. Still can't figure out why any American would be for this.
I remember when the GOP had nothing but contempt for "unelected bureaucrats." I think it was a few months ago, actually.
 
Nobody seems to be able to answer why they're so upset about musk/trump exposing all the wasteful spending and corruption.

Instead they make up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up. But that playbook is old, and most Americans see right through it.

It's why only 31% of Americans have a favorable view of Dems now, and Trump's popularity is at an all time high
Bullshit. People have provided specific reasons why they don't like the approach, methods, etc. that are being used. Making up disingenuous crap without any evidence to back it up is exactly what that DOGE team is doing. You want to get into evidence based auditing, proof, conflict of interest, etc that would be great.
 
Follow DOGE on X, they post stuff regularly. I realize you'll keep raising the bar for "evidence" so you can continue to say there isn't any, but I can only lead a horse to water.

Still can't figure out why any American would be against this. This shouldn't be partisan, and while so far it appears Dems are far more dodgy, it's not going to stay that way. There will be plenty of egg for everyone's face after this, and America will come out stronger.
Musk stood in the Oval Office LAST NIGHT and said "Some of the things that I say will be incorrect and should be corrected." Why should we follow DOGE on X and just accept it all as fact?

I’m sure you didn’t blindly believe everything Biden or his admin said. You investigated further, right?

That’s what rational people do, but you seem aghast that folks aren’t slurping up whatever Musk/Trump/DOGE say and are choosing to do further research. Why?
 
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