I strongly believe one of the reasons we are barreling towards fascism in this country is the decline and fall of the liberal arts education. It's the farthest thing from worthless. It teaches you how to think and gives you a wide-ranging survey of science/culture/history/etc.
People with college degrees have done far better during the various economic downturns over the last 30 years than those without college degrees. The problem has been how student loans have gotten out of hand with the interest rates. As much as people like to come on here and shit all over college degrees, the reality is people with them still earn higher salaries and are far less likely to be laid off when things go bad.
| Education Level | Unemployment Rate (2023) |
|---|
| Doctoral or Professional Degree | ~1.3% |
| Master's Degree | ~2.0% |
| Bachelor's Degree | ~2.4% |
| Some College, No Degree | ~4.5% |
| High School Graduate (No College) | ~5.0% |
| Less than High School | ~7.0% |
| Education Level | Median Annual Salary |
|---|
| High School Graduate | ~$39,000 - $40,000 |
| Some College (No Degree) | ~$42,000 - $45,000 |
| Associate Degree | ~$50,000 - $55,000 |
| Bachelor’s Degree | ~$65,000 - $70,000 |
| Master’s Degree and Higher | ~$80,000 - $90,000 |
Back when I was in high school (early 2000's) our school counselors didn't even discuss trade schools with us. It was college or nothing. Anything besides enrolling in college was never discussed. Looking back, that pisses me off because there are so many great careers out there that don't require a person to enroll in a university. I never understood that though. You should want kids that are getting ready for the next major step in their life to know ALL options available to them.
Bring back? What high schools have dropped them?
Working class would love to hear stores how some ultra liberal went to private school for four years for gender studies, jacked off in Europe for a semester and borrowed every penny and now wants help.
It can, sure.
OK then Enjoy your fascism. And you seem to be extremely uninformed about the job/income prospects for liberal arts majors along with specifically English majors at at the least public Big Ten level universities.
Yeah, let’s just cut funding for all education while we are it. Gotta keep the plebeians in check.
So pay it. BFD.
She may have tried to wear the clothes but what doomed Harris was the opposite of her being "republican lite".
It's making a comeback in many places. My youngest is building a house during his first couple hours of school right now. He took agg last year and Iowa BIG as well where he learned project development and real world implementation.
And why on earth do you think anyone but you should pay back your debt? Are you employed?
LOL, so much wrong in this thread. Now do the military.
You "will if you have to"? Here's a newsflash, you have to. Best bet is to knock it out as quickly as possible. Also, millions aren't being buried in student loan debt. They may have buried themselves but it's not some outside evil force that did it to you all at gunpoint. I have 2 in college now. No one forced them to go nor made us figure out how to pay for it all. But we will.
More defending the oligarchs I see. They are the problem. I want my tax money to pay for human capital, not for oligarchs to hoard.
Sorry Chicken Little the sky is not falling on education; you need to apply some salve to that butt hurt.
You still made a conscious decision to pursue what you did knowing full well the costs. I agree college is ridiculously over priced and 75% of what you're forced to learn has no real world or career application. But that's still no reason for others to cover YOUR debt. Assuming you're in a decent field, $32k isn't bad at all. You can knock off 5-10k per year pretty easy with a plan. Hell half the college grads whining about college debt have car loans that high or higher.
You’re not paying attention. How has project 2025 been working in Iowa?
Oh, you will have to pay it back no doubt about that. Sounds like the one thing you didn't learn in college was to be responsible for your debts and decisions.
The federal government didn’t shut down any businesses…
Not really the same situation. Some businesses were forced to shut down...no one is forced to go to college AND to fund it via borrowing. Many businesses spent every penny of the PPP loan on keeping staff on the payroll, etc.
Excuse me? There were many businesses, churches and schools, etc, forced to shut down.
Which one's were forced to shut down by the FEDERAL government?
Is that the argument? That it wasn't the federal govt? While actual proclamations and such came from state and local govts...they were guided, you could even say forced, by federal guidance.
The states made the decisions to shut down businesses not the federal government which was @NorthEndzoneCrew 's point that you dismissed. By the way, wasn't Trump the President when shutdowns were encouraged by the federal government?
Oh for crying out loud...that is like saying that the "hand" didn't say/do it, the "puppet" did.
