Turning point imo

[Bulldogs1974]

down 14-0. We are at their 40, 3rd and 3. You could feel already you were going to be in trouble. You run the ball 2x and pick up the first down. You do not run a patented gd 3 yard out route. Pick six ends the game.
Who knows what might have been if we score on that drive.
PS for GD.
You help your qb and oline by running draws and screens when you are outmatched. Also a few three step fades and wheel routes would have been nice. The wheel to wadley was a little too late.

 

[Sett1997]

down 14-0. We are at their 40, 3rd and 3. You could feel already you were going to be in trouble. You run the ball 2x and pick up the first down. You do not run a patented gd 3 yard out route. Pick six ends the game.
Who knows what might have been if we score on that drive.
PS for GD.
You help your qb and oline by running draws and screens when you are outmatched. Also a few three step fades and wheel routes would have been nice. The wheel to wadley was a little too late.

That was it. You are correct.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

This exactly

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Agree. Bad call, but also a horrific decision by CJ to throw that ball. He's made great decisions all season and just wasn't in it today, mentally. He looked completely lost. Yes, some of that was because pass protection was horrendous, and some of that was due to Stanford's D-line, but he took unnecessary sacks, held the ball too long, wasn't decisive, and generally looked bewildered all day. Very uncharacteristic of CJ. There were a number of times where he could have picked up decent yardage if he'd taken off when the receivers were covered. He looked eerily like Rudock of last season today. Of course, he wasn't alone. Most of the roster stunk it up today.

 

[And1Hawk]

down 14-0. We are at their 40, 3rd and 3. You could feel already you were going to be in trouble. You run the ball 2x and pick up the first down. You do not run a patented gd 3 yard out route. Pick six ends the game.
Who knows what might have been if we score on that drive.
PS for GD.
You help your qb and oline by running draws and screens when you are outmatched. Also a few three step fades and wheel routes would have been nice. The wheel to wadley was a little too late.

Agree I thought we totally panicked by showing little patience to establish the run game. As crazy as it sounds I would have gone ultra conservative and gone heavy sets to run a power game. Take as much time off the clock and shorten the game. Get to half and we got the ball to open the second half. Try to get a garbage score or two at the end of the half then see what happens.

 

[ICWestfan]

Yepp. Pick 6 and CJB went into the tank.

 

[moondog24]

Stanford was dominant upfront on both sides of the ball. It sure makes it easy for their skill players and hard for ours. They caused the difficulties we had. Proud that the team didn't quit.

 

[Keeker16]

I agree although when you get your ass handed to you like we did, not sure it really mattered. This greg Davis offense took over a little from the point in the Purdue game where we had built up a big lead and then started working on some of our shotgun stuff. Our offense is horrible when we are consistently in the gun.

Fast forward to today and the first three third and shorts we are in, Davis puts us in the gun which essentially takes away any threat of a run. Then on the play your talking about every wr runs a three yard route.

I could be wrong but in a game where it was very obvious from the opening snap, we ran very few if any under center boots, or roll outs. I think I saw a couple play action passes but they were the variety where beathard was still setting up in the pocket. And then out of the gun, we never rolled the pocket one way or the other.

That is a brutal mistake. We probably don't win, but at least give the players a chance.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

CJB got drilled earlier in that drive. I didn't know if he was gonna get up. Guy was playing like his head was gonna get separated from his body. Oline did him zero favors.

 

[MepoDawg#]

Nope, when Lomax let McCaffrey run by him on their first play.

 

[tWarnerHawk]

Smith was open right in front of CJ at about the 1st down. Much safer option than than the long throw that got picked. Oh well...

 

[HuskerPower10]

down 14-0. We are at their 40, 3rd and 3. You could feel already you were going to be in trouble. You run the ball 2x and pick up the first down. You do not run a patented gd 3 yard out route. Pick six ends the game.
Who knows what might have been if we score on that drive.
PS for GD.
You help your qb and oline by running draws and screens when you are outmatched. Also a few three step fades and wheel routes would have been nice. The wheel to wadley was a little too late.

the opening kickoff/end of thread

 

[BGHAWK]

down 14-0. We are at their 40, 3rd and 3. You could feel already you were going to be in trouble. You run the ball 2x and pick up the first down. You do not run a patented gd 3 yard out route. Pick six ends the game.
Who knows what might have been if we score on that drive.
PS for GD.
You help your qb and oline by running draws and screens when you are outmatched. Also a few three step fades and wheel routes would have been nice. The wheel to wadley was a little too late.

I was wanting a run there for a couple yards at least and go for it on fourth down in needed

 

[bhawk24bob]

There was no turning point in this game. If Iowa scored, Stanford would have returned the favor. If Stanford kept its foot on the gas, it would have scored on every possession.....there's no coming back from that

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Agree I thought we totally panicked by showing little patience to establish the run game. As crazy as it sounds I would have gone ultra conservative and gone heavy sets to run a power game. Take as much time off the clock and shorten the game. Get to half and we got the ball to open the second half. Try to get a garbage score or two at the end of the half then see what happens.

The problem with them run game was that we were running to the designed hole and Stanford was selling out by double teaming and jamming that gap, leaving a cutback lane but Iowa was so committed to the initial lane that they missed numerous lanes in the 1st half. The difference between McCaffery and Iowa backs is that he was allowed to create and our guys kept plugging right into that initial hole whether it was there or not.....makes for a lot of awesome one and two yd gains on 1st and 2nd down.

Why?....

 

[And1Hawk]

Can we all agree that we MUST drastically improve our O-line. Time to get much bigger and more physical. What we do works for the most part until we hit the top 10-15 teams that have better athletes and are motivated.

Yes before you tell me about the good OL players we have produced that is true but producing a guy or two is not good enough to beat the best. You have to be excellent, big and tough at all 5 positions. End of story.

Toward the end of the season we struggled to run the ball on Nebraska, MSU & Stanford. MSU we got 52 yards and agsinst Standford 48. Yes we got some yards against Nebby but they came prinarily on 2 long Canzeri runs. Otherwise not so much.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

CJB got drilled earlier in that drive. I didn't know if he was gonna get up. Guy was playing like his head was gonna get separated from his body. Oline did him zero favors.

I actually wondered if that hit might have run CJ's bell a little. He seemed like a deer in headlights from that point on. I think it messed up his groin, too -- he was limping around afterward and could hardly get the ball to Daniels on a handoff on the next play.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I agree although when you get your ass handed to you like we did, not sure it really mattered. This greg Davis offense took over a little from the point in the Purdue game where we had built up a big lead and then started working on some of our shotgun stuff. Our offense is horrible when we are consistently in the gun.

Fast forward to today and the first three third and shorts we are in, Davis puts us in the gun which essentially takes away any threat of a run. Then on the play your talking about every wr runs a three yard route.

I could be wrong but in a game where it was very obvious from the opening snap, we ran very few if any under center boots, or roll outs. I think I saw a couple play action passes but they were the variety where beathard was still setting up in the pocket. And then out of the gun, we never rolled the pocket one way or the other.

That is a brutal mistake. We probably don't win, but at least give the players a chance.

I agree. CJ was a sitting duck back there (granted, their D-line and our O-line had a lot to do with that). I thought we should have moved the pocket, too. Also wished we'd worked in some screens and misdirection stuff earlier in the game, as Stanford's front was pinning back their ears and over-pursuing to the ball.

 

[DUpHawks]

The turning point of the game was the opening kickoff.

 

[hawkfan1963]

I remember last years bowl game and how we were outplayed. I can't remember if it looked like the players were trying to play. Rose Bowl this year. Outplayed again and it did not look like the players were even trying.

 

[the24fan]

Piss poor offensive game plan.
I really hope GD limps off into the sunset and is put out to pasture.
Pathetic playcalling. We just kept banging our head against the wall on 1st down..run, run, run....Absolutely no receiver speed or deep threat. Stanford played up all day knowing we couldn't beat them deep. Nothing will change against top competition until we get an OC that can use some creativity and until we recruit some speed outside.

 

[revkev73]

Not kickoff...coin flip...

 

[UNIowaHawk]

Agree with that being the nail. We have run that play all year long and I am pretty certain Stanford knew it was coming.

Very disappointing game-- that's not how Iowa looked all year, if it were Iowa would have been sitting at 2-10. Stanfords defensive line isn't very good, but our OL looked terrible and our tackling was terrible.

Sad part is I put the chicken wings in the oven at kickoff and they got done just in time for the pick 6. I turned the game off and went to work on something around the house instead and decided to watch the remainder on my phone. .

 

[And1Hawk]

Piss poor offensive game plan.
I really hope GD limps off into the sunset and is put out to pasture.
Pathetic playcalling. We just kept banging our head against the wall on 1st down..run, run, run....Absolutely no receiver speed or deep threat. Stanford played up all day knowing we couldn't beat them deep. Nothing will change against top competition until we get an OC that can use some creativity and until we recruit some speed outside.

You can have the most elaborate game plan in the world but when you cannot block anyone and are dominated physically at the point of attack it ain't gonna work. I'm not supporting Davis but before we can worry about play calls and game plans you might want to recruit and develop a real OLine. What we put out there may be sound technically but it gets overwhelmed against talent time and time again. 98-0 the first half of the last 4 bowl games. That's OLine my friend because we cannot move the ball against the big boys.

 

[DUpHawks]

Not kickoff...coin flip...

Actually, I think it was the day McCaffery was born.

God put him on this Earth just to torture Iowa.

 

[revkev73]

In spite of the horrendous performance for Iowa...McCaffery was amazing to watch...wow, what moves and quickness. Interesting to follow his career and who might draft him.

As miserable as it was for Iowa to watch...I had to think how proud his parents must have been watching it all. They were there, weren't they?

 

[DUpHawks]

He's looked awesome like that all year. I had assumed it was due primarily to the lack of defense played in the Pac-12. Apprently my assumption was incorrect.

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

But McCaffrey couldn't win the Heisman. That's just plain highway robbery. Henry ain't a fraction of the football player the white boy from Stanford is. At least AP got it right: McCaffrey clearly is the "Player of the Year." And then some.

 

[gojojo]

All year long we pound the ball with great lead blocking fullbacks; we ran one play like this in the first quarter. One. It gained 5 yards and we completely abandoned it. Puzzling

 

[hawkeye54545]

Words can't describe the deep hate in my soul that I have for the Greg Davis 3 yard out.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

CJ wasn't the same after he got drilled and the pick 6 on the same drive. He was rattled obviously.

 

[HawkLogic]

Agree. Bad call, but also a horrific decision by CJ to throw that ball. He's made great decisions all season and just wasn't in it today, mentally. He looked completely lost. Yes, some of that was because pass protection was horrendous, and some of that was due to Stanford's D-line, but he took unnecessary sacks, held the ball too long, wasn't decisive, and generally looked bewildered all day. Very uncharacteristic of CJ. There were a number of times where he could have picked up decent yardage if he'd taken off when the receivers were covered. He looked eerily like Rudock of last season today. Of course, he wasn't alone. Most of the roster stunk it up today.

Everytime Iowa went 5 wide, Stanford brought heat and Beathard had to unload the ball withing 2 seconds of the snap. If you don't protect, don't run the ball well, then you can't expect your QB to make plays unless he is Russell Wilson and his legs are half his game.

We were down 14-0 and we were looking at punting and Beathard made a risky throw instead of taking a sack. I think the score and wanting to make a play led to that mistake. I'll take that mistake over Lomax and Iowa D giving up a TD on 1st play from scrimmage.

Beathard/Rudock need the same basic things...a run game, protection, receivers getting open, a defense. Rudock got those things at Michigan this year and did well. Beathard did not get those things in Rose Bowl. The protection has been bad all year for him and that is why he is banged up since Pittsburgh.