U.S. Nerve Gas Hit Our own Troops In Iraq

[Nat Algren]

Newsweek by Barbara Koeppel

During and immediately after the first Gulf War, more than 200,000 of 700,000 U.S. troops sent to Iraq and Kuwait in January 1991 were exposed to nerve gas and other chemical agents. Though aware of this, the Department of Defense and CIA launched a campaign of lies and concocted a cover-up that continues today.

A quarter of a century later, the troops nearest the explosions are dying of brain cancer at two to three times the rate of those who were farther away. Others have lung cancer or debilitating chronic diseases, and pain.

More complications lie ahead.

According to Dr. Linda Chao, a neurologist at the University of California Medical School in San Francisco, "Because part of their brains, the hippocampus, has shrunk, they're at greater risk for Alzheimer's and other degenerative diseases."

At first, the DOD was adamant: No troops were exposed.

"No information…indicates that chemical or biological weapons were used in the Persian Gulf," wrote Secretary of Defense William Perry and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs John Shalikashvili in a 1994 memo to 20,000 Desert Storm veterans. Strictly speaking, they were right: No weapons were used. The nerve agent sarin was in the fallout from the U.S. bombing or detonating of Iraq's weapons sites.

Perry and Shalikashvili knew.

As Alan Friedman wrote in The Spider Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq, the Reagan and Bush administrations, which backed Iraq in its 1980-1988 war with Iran, approved of U.S. companies selling chemical agents and equipment to Iraq, including "a huge petrochemicals complex called PC2. Western intelligence also knew that PC2 was capable of generating chemical compounds to make mustard and nerve gas."

Donald Riegle, a Democratic U.S. Senator from Michigan, held hearings about the veterans illnesses in 1993 and 1994. He told me the decision by Reagan and Bush "to secretly help Saddam Hussein build his biological and chemical weapons was a monstrous strategic error that eventually led to the tragedy of Gulf War Syndrome, which killed and disabled so many unprotected American troops."

Click link for balance.

This post was edited on 3/30 1:58 PM by Nat Algren

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[Hawk in SEC Country]

No one wanted to say it in the 90's, but the "gulf war illness" pointed towards the exposure to chemical weapons and depleted uranium.

I"m glad this is finally coming to light.

 

[Pepperman]

As part of the conclusion, are we to believe that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons on US troops?

 

[theVoicefromtheTomb]

Thanks for the link.

The synopsis, our govt exposed our soldiers to chemical agents through mismanaging the disposal of those agents we had provided them to a third world dictator.





This post was edited on 3/30 3:47 PM by theVoicefromtheTomb

 

[86Hawkeye]

I can understand supporting Saddam at the time (the 80s). He was not a threat to our interests and Iran certainly was (and had proven to be).

A very unfortunate set of circumstances which ending up getting our troops inadvertently exposed.

The fact that the government covered it up in the 90s is inexcusable.

 

[strummingram]

Same old story. The people that buy-off the government make tons of money and couldn't care less who suffers from their unnecessary wars.

My Dad died at age 53 from Agent Orange Cancer. He was in Guam and Vietnam and was exposed to heavy doses of that defoliant. I know of 8 other Vietnam Vets, personally, that died from AO cancers. Vietnam was great if you were a shareholder of Lockheed-Martin, Bell Helicopters, or DuPont. Not so much if you were a military serviceman, or woman, or Vietnamese civilian.

War Is A Racket

 

[Lone Clone]

Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

 

[86Hawkeye]

I would guess that if all our wars are fought to support business then we would have a lot more wars.

I mean, why did "the people that buy-off the government" want a war in Vietnam specifically vs. somewhere else? Why not something closer to home? I think this conspiracy notion is a bit overblown.

BTW, very sorry about your dad.

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I would guess that if all our wars are fought to support business then we would have a lot more wars.

I mean, why did "the people that buy-off the government" want a war in Vietnam specifically vs. somewhere else? Why not something closer to home? I think this conspiracy notion is a bit overblown.

BTW, very sorry about your dad.

Hey, Nat Algren! Could you repost that list of wars you offered a while back, that America has been involved in, for this guy, please? How many more wars do you want, 86Hawkeye?


Vietnam was ideal for many reasons. There were financial motives, profit motives, political motives. It had nothing to do with keeping America free!


Keep in mind, the US Mainland has not been militarily invaded in over 200 years.

 

[Nat Algren]

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I would guess that if all our wars are fought to support business then we would have a lot more wars.

I mean, why did "the people that buy-off the government" want a war in Vietnam specifically vs. somewhere else? Why not something closer to home? I think this conspiracy notion is a bit overblown.

BTW, very sorry about your dad.

Hey, Nat Algren! Could you repost that list of wars you offered a while back, that America has been involved in, for this guy, please? How many more wars do you want, 86Hawkeye?


Vietnam was ideal for many reasons. There were financial motives, profit motives, political motives. It had nothing to do with keeping America free!


Keep in mind, the US Mainland has not been militarily invaded in over 200 years.

So sorry for your loss of your father.

And here is the year-by-year timeline of America's major wars:

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Year-by-year Timeline of America's Major Wars (1776-2011)

1776 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamagua Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1777 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Second Cherokee War, Pennamite-Yankee War

1778 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1779 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1780 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1781 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1782 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1783 - American Revolutionary War, Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War

1784 - Chickamauga Wars, Pennamite-Yankee War, Oconee War

1785 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1786 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1787 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1788 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1789 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1790 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1791 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1792 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1793 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1794 - Chickamauga Wars, Northwest Indian War

1795 - Northwest Indian War

1796 - No major war

1797 - No major war

1798 - Quasi-War

1799 - Quasi-War

1800 - Quasi-War

1801 - First Barbary War

1802 - First Barbary War

1803 - First Barbary War

1804 - First Barbary War

1805 - First Barbary War

1806 - Sabine Expedition

1807 - No major war

1808 - No major war

1809 - No major war

1810 - U.S. occupies Spanish-held West Florida

1811 - Tecumseh's War

1812 - War of 1812, Tecumseh's War, Seminole Wars, U.S. occupies Spanish-held Amelia Island and other parts of East Florida

1813 - War of 1812, Tecumseh's War, Peoria War, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in West Florida

1814 - War of 1812, Creek War, U.S. expands its territory in Florida, Anti-piracy war

1815 - War of 1812, Second Barbary War, Anti-piracy war

1816 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1817 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1818 - First Seminole War, Anti-piracy war

1819 - Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1820 - Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1821 - Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1822 - Anti-piracy war (see note above)

1823 - Anti-piracy war, Arikara War

1824 - Anti-piracy war

1825 - Yellowstone Expedition, Anti-piracy war

1826 - No major war

1827 - Winnebago War

1828 - No major war

1829 - No major war

1830 - No major war

1831 - Sac and Fox Indian War

1832 - Black Hawk War

1833 - Cherokee Indian War

1834 - Cherokee Indian War, Pawnee Indian Territory Campaign

1835 - Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War

1836 - Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Missouri-Iowa Border War

1837 - Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Second Creek War, Osage Indian War, Buckshot War

1838 - Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars, Buckshot War, Heatherly Indian War

1839 - Cherokee Indian War, Seminole Wars

1840 - Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade Fiji Islands

1841 - Seminole Wars, U.S. naval forces invade McKean Island, Gilbert Islands, and Samoa

1842 - Seminole Wars

1843 - U.S. forces clash with Chinese, U.S. troops invade African coast

1844 - Texas-Indian Wars

1845 - Texas-Indian Wars

1846 - Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1847 - Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars

1848 - Mexican-American War, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War

1849 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1850 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, California Indian Wars, Pitt River Expedition

1851 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1852 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, California Indian Wars

1853 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Yuma War, Utah Indian Wars, Walker War, California Indian Wars

1854 - Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians

1855 - Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Cayuse War, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Yakima War, Winnas Expedition, Klickitat War, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1856 - Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Puget Sound War, Rogue River Wars, Tintic War

1857 - Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Utah War, Conflict in Nicaragua

1858 - Seminole Wars, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Mohave War, California Indian Wars, Spokane-Coeur d'Alene-Paloos War, Utah War, U.S. forces invade Fiji Islands and Uruguay

1859 Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, California Indian Wars, Pecos Expedition, Antelope Hills Expedition, Bear River Expedition, John Brown's raid, U.S. forces launch attack against Paraguay, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1860 - Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Paiute War, Kiowa-Comanche War

1861 - American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign

1862 - American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Dakota War of 1862,

1863 - American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Southwest Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Goshute War

1864 - American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Cheyenne Campaign, Colorado War, Snake War

1865 - American Civil War, Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Colorado War, Snake War, Utah's Black Hawk War

1866 - Texas-Indian Wars, Navajo Wars, Apache Wars, California Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah's Black Hawk War, Red Cloud's War, Franklin County War, U.S. invades Mexico, Conflict with China

1867 - Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah's Black Hawk War, Red Cloud's War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, U.S. troops occupy Nicaragua and attack Taiwan

1868 - Texas-Indian Wars, Long Walk of the Navajo, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Snake War, Utah's Black Hawk War, Red Cloud's War, Comanche Wars, Battle of Washita River, Franklin County War

1869 - Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah's Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1870 - Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah's Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War

1871 - Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Utah's Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Franklin County War, Kingsley Cave Massacre, U.S. forces invade Korea

1872 - Texas-Indian Wars, Apache Wars, Utah's Black Hawk War, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Franklin County War

1873 - Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Modoc War, Apache Wars, Cypress Hills Massacre, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1874 - Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Red River War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1875 - Conflict in Mexico, Texas-Indian Wars, Comanche Wars, Eastern Nevada, Mason County War, Colfax County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1876 - Texas-Indian Wars, Black Hills War, Mason County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1877 - Texas-Indian Wars, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Black Hills War, Nez Perce War, Mason County War, Lincoln County War, San Elizario Salt War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1878 - Paiute Indian conflict, Bannock War, Cheyenne War, Lincoln County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1879 - Cheyenne War, Sheepeater Indian War, White River War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1880 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1881 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1882 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1883 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1884 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1885 - Apache Wars, Eastern Nevada Expedition, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1886 - Apache Wars, Pleasant Valley War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1887 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1888 - U.S. show of force against Haiti, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1889 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1890 - Sioux Indian War, Skirmish between 1st Cavalry and Indians, Ghost Dance War, Wounded Knee, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1891 - Sioux Indian War, Ghost Dance War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1892 - Johnson County War, U.S. forces invade Mexico

1893 - U.S. forces invade Mexico and Hawaii

1894 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1895 - U.S. forces invade Mexico, Bannock Indian Disturbances

1896 - U.S. forces invade Mexico

1897 - No major war

1898 - Spanish-American War, Battle of Leech Lake, Chippewa Indian Disturbances

1899 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1900 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1901 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1902 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1903 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1904 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1905 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1906 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1907 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1908 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1909 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1910 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1911 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1912 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars

1913 - Philippine-American War, Banana Wars, New Mexico Navajo War

1914 - Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1915 - Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico, Colorado Paiute War

1916 - Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1917 - Banana Wars, World War I, U.S. invades Mexico

1918 - Banana Wars, World War I, U.S invades Mexico

1919 - Banana Wars, U.S. invades Mexico

1920 - Banana Wars

1921 - Banana Wars

1922 - Banana Wars

1923 - Banana Wars, Posey War

1924 - Banana Wars

1925 - Banana Wars

1926 - Banana Wars

1927 - Banana Wars

1928 - Banana Wars

1930 - Banana Wars

1931 - Banana Wars

1932 - Banana Wars

1933 - Banana Wars

1934 - Banana Wars

1935 - No major war

1936 - No major war

1937 - No major war

1938 - No major war

1939 - No major war

1940 - No major war

1941 - World War II

1942 - World War II

1943 - Wold War II

1944 - World War II

1945 - World War II

1946 - Cold War (U.S. occupies the Philippines and South Korea)

1947 - Cold War (U.S. occupies South Korea, U.S. forces land in Greece to fight Communists)

1948 - Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1949 - Cold War (U.S. forces aid Chinese Nationalist Party against Communists)

1950 - Korean War, Jayuga Uprising

1951 - Korean War

1952 - Korean War

1953 - Korean War

1954 - Covert War in Guatemala

1955 - Vietnam War

1956 - Vietnam War

1957 - Vietnam War

1958 - Vietnam War

1959 - Vietnam War, Conflict in Haiti

1960 - Vietam War

1961 - Vietnam War

1962 - Vietnam War, Cold War (Cuban Missile Crisis; U.S. marines fight Communists in Thailand)

1963 - Vietnam War

1964 - Vietnam War

1965 - Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1966 - Vietnam War, U.S. occupation of Dominican Republic

1967 - Vietnam War

1968 - Vietnam War

1969 - Vietnam War

1970 - Vietnam War

1971 - Vietnam War

1972 - Vietnam War

1973 - Vietnam War, U.S. aids Israel in Yom Kippur War

1974 - Vietnam War

1975 - Vietnam War

1976 - No major war

1977 - No major war

1978 - No major war

1979 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1980 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan)

1981 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), First Gulf of Sidra Incident

1982 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1983 - Cold War (Invasion of Grenada, CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Lebanon

1984 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua), Conflict in Persian Gulf

1985 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1986 - Cold War (CIA proxy war in Afghanistan and Nicaragua)

1987 - Conflict in Persian Gulf

1988 - Conflict in Persian Gulf, U.S. occupation of Panama

1989 - Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, U.S. occupation of Panama, Conflict in Philippines

1990 - First Gulf War, U.S. occupation of Panama

1991 - First Gulf War

1992 - Conflict in Iraq

1993 - Conflict in Iraq

1994 - Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti

1995 - Conflict in Iraq, U.S. invades Haiti, NATO bombing of Bosnia and Herzegovina

1996 - Conflict in Iraq

1997 - No major war

1998 - Bombing of Iraq, Missile strikes against Afghanistan and Sudan

1999 - Kosovo War

2000 - No major war

2001 - War on Terror in Afghanistan

2002 - War on Terror in Afghanistan and Yemen

2003 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, and Iraq

2004 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2005 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2006 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2007 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen

2008 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2009 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2010 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Yemen

2011 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen; Conflict in Libya (Libyan Civil War)

In most of these wars, the U.S. was on the offense. Danios admits that some of the wars were defensive. However, Danios also leaves out covert CIA operations and other acts which could be considered war.

Let's update what's happened since 2011:

2012 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

2013 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen

2014 - War on Terror in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine

2015 - War on Terror in Somalia, Somalia, Syria and Yemen; Civil War in Ukraine

So we can add 4 more years of war. That means that for 222 out of 239 years - or 93% of the time - America has been at war. (We can quibble with the exact numbers, but the high percentage of time that America has been at war is clear and unmistakable.)

Indeed, most of the military operations launched since World War II have been launched by the U.S.

And American military spending dwarfs the rest of the world put together.

No wonder polls show that the world believes America is the number 1 threat to peace.

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[Nat Algren]

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I can understand supporting Saddam at the time (the 80s). He was not a threat to our interests and Iran certainly was (and had proven to be).

A very unfortunate set of circumstances which ending up getting our troops inadvertently exposed.

The fact that the government covered it up in the 90s is inexcusable.

The gov lies as it always does, but hey, they'll build a nice memorial for the Vets.

 

[Madman_1]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Well, some nerve gas was probably there in 2004. Our friend's son was in a unit handling barrels in a warehouse, and their commander even had them open one. They were later told it was nerve gas. After three years of weird problems such as temporary loss of control of some of his right arm muscles and trouble turning his head, the army doctors told him he had nerve damage.

.

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by Nat Algren:

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I can understand supporting Saddam at the time (the 80s). He was not a threat to our interests and Iran certainly was (and had proven to be).

A very unfortunate set of circumstances which ending up getting our troops inadvertently exposed.

The fact that the government covered it up in the 90s is inexcusable.

The gov lies as it always does, but hey, they'll build a nice memorial for the Vets.

And, they will glorify the wars in film, commercials, you name it. The memorials and glorification keeps the new generations primed to suit-up and "Defend Freedom" for the BOD for a half-dozen industries.

When Desert Storm started brewing in the Fall of 1990, my Dad had already endured chemotherapy for the AO Cancer that Summer. When the war flames started getting fanned, I was perfect age to be drafted, and my Dad called me and said "I don't know what is going to happen. But, if what I think is going to happen, happens, I have made arrangements to get you and your brother out of the country... unless you want to stay." Fortunately, the draft never came back. He knew it was a joke and he was duped as a kid (he volunteered) and wasn't going to allow it to happen to his children.

 

[86Hawkeye]

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I would guess that if all our wars are fought to support business then we would have a lot more wars.

I mean, why did "the people that buy-off the government" want a war in Vietnam specifically vs. somewhere else? Why not something closer to home? I think this conspiracy notion is a bit overblown.

BTW, very sorry about your dad.

Hey, Nat Algren! Could you repost that list of wars you offered a while back, that America has been involved in, for this guy, please? How many more wars do you want, 86Hawkeye?

I would prefer no more wars.

 

[strummingram]

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:

Originally posted by strummingram:

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:
I would guess that if all our wars are fought to support business then we would have a lot more wars.

I mean, why did "the people that buy-off the government" want a war in Vietnam specifically vs. somewhere else? Why not something closer to home? I think this conspiracy notion is a bit overblown.

BTW, very sorry about your dad.

Hey, Nat Algren! Could you repost that list of wars you offered a while back, that America has been involved in, for this guy, please? How many more wars do you want, 86Hawkeye?

I would prefer no more wars.

That's two of us. Maybe we can work together for that outcome.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

 

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

1. Who is ignoring the role the U.S. may have played in Saddam's WMD program(s)?

2. What difference does it make?

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

1. Who is ignoring the role the U.S. may have played in Saddam's WMD program(s)?

2. What difference does it make?

I'd say it's the difference in about a million or so Iraqi lives and about 3,000 American lives, and about 1 Trillion(likely much more) of our money, and a future that will continue to cause the entire country problems.

It's fairly significant I would say.

 

[86Hawkeye]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

So Saddam DID have WMDs after all and Bush knew it, the government (including democrats) knew it, and that's why "Bush invaded".

At that point in time, why did it matter where the WMDs came from?

 

[Lone Clone]

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

1. Who is ignoring the role the U.S. may have played in Saddam's WMD program(s)?

2. What difference does it make?

I'd say it's the difference in about a million or so Iraqi lives and about 3,000 American lives, and about 1 Trillion(likely much more) of our money, and a future that will continue to cause the entire country problems.

It's fairly significant I would say.

Well, then, you'd be wrong.

 

[Aegon_Targaryen]

Originally posted by 86Hawkeye:

Originally posted by Aegon_Targaryen:

Originally posted by Lone Clone:
Not possible.

Saddam had destroyed all his WMD.

Bush lied, people died.

Yeah that's cute and all if you ignore the fact that those WMD's were likely supplied to him by us.

For those that defend the WMD reason for going into Iraq,........are you prepared to face the truth of
how Iraq had obtained them?

Do you understand the significance and utterly insane problem with this?

So Saddam DID have WMDs after all and Bush knew it, the government (including democrats) knew it, and that's why "Bush invaded".

At that point in time, why did it matter where the WMDs came from?

Well, because it's no different than being an accessory to murder. We decide we don't like someone, we decide to go get them. We don't though do this ourselves necessarily, rather we hire the crazy person down the block and give them access to loads of dangerous weapons.

We set this crazy person loose, and then that crazy person, just like clockwork, decides he wants to keep using those weapons, and tells us to go f ourselves afterwards. Lots of innocent people were killed by this crazy person(big surprise?), and suddenly the crazy person is our problem.

It matters, it matters a lot.