U23 World Team Trials

[UNI_HAWKS]

Any idea if some of our Hawkeye Wrestling Club athletes or upper class college guys might be competing for the new U23 World Team?

I would think that it would be a great competition for guys like Brooks, Sorenson, Lugo and others.

 

[Squarehat]

I believe some of them are

 

[moug]

Will this be yet this year or for the 2018 freestyle "season"

 

[whejoe]

I'm in for $10 per win for the hwc.

 

[UNI_HAWKS]

"USA Wrestling will host the U23 World Team Trials at the Mayo Civic Center in Rochester, Minn., October 6-8. This will be the qualifying event in all three Olympic disciplines for the U23 World Championships, set for Bydgoszcz, Poland, November 21-26.

This is a new World Championships being hosted by United World Wrestling for the first time. Athletes who are between 19-23 years old can enter (Born 1994-1998), with 18-year-olds (Born 1999) able to compete with a medical and parental certificate."

 

[SPOONER]

"USA Wrestling will host the U23 World Team Trials at the Mayo Civic Center in Rochester, Minn., October 6-8. This will be the qualifying event in all three Olympic disciplines for the U23 World Championships, set for Bydgoszcz, Poland, November 21-26.

This is a new World Championships being hosted by United World Wrestling for the first time. Athletes who are between 19-23 years old can enter (Born 1994-1998), with 18-year-olds (Born 1999) able to compete with a medical and parental certificate."

With this event occurring during the season it will limit the number of athletes competing.

 

[LaxHawk174]

I'd like to see Brooks, Meyer, Clark (If fully recovered by then), Lugo, and Warner compete in this. Could be good to knock off Clarks mat rust after the spring and summer spent rehabbing. I think Warner would need a waiver but I think he could do some damage here. Not sure if Clark/Brooks/Meyer will be young enough to still compete by then, but if they are then go for it!

 

[UNI_HAWKS]

With this event occurring during the season it will limit the number of athletes competing.

Thats what made me think of recently graduated kids (If eligible) and Lugo if he is indeed red shirting.

 

[rossel 33]

Don't quite get this.

Is the event sort of like Jr World, if not, how is it different?Having it during season would seem to prevent a lot of 19-23 yr old collegiate stars from participating.

 

[IAChief32]

Just think its the new universities

 

[SPOONER]

Don't quite get this.

Is the event sort of like Jr World, if not, how is it different?Having it during season would seem to prevent a lot of 19-23 yr old collegiate stars from participating.

I don't think whomever is putting it on cares much about USA collegiate folkstyle.

 

[CowboyUp61]

I'm in for $10 per win for the hwc.

Forgot to say "Match Me!"

 

[Squarehat]

I'd like to see Brooks, Meyer, Clark (If fully recovered by then), Lugo, and Warner compete in this. Could be good to knock off Clarks mat rust after the spring and summer spent rehabbing. I think Warner would need a waiver but I think he could do some damage here. Not sure if Clark/Brooks/Meyer will be young enough to still compete by then, but if they are then go for it!

Clark isn't, Meyer is eligible, not sure about Sammy.

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

Clark isn't, Meyer is eligible, not sure about Sammy.

sammy will be wrestling in it

 

[UNI_HAWKS]

Here is a link to USA Wrestling's list of wrestlers who are eligible to compete. I saw some confirmation that Brooks and Meyer would be going. It would make a lot of sense for Lugo too.

http://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestlin...12/Who-is-U23-eligible-the-USA-will-be-strong

 

[menges00]

Meyer wrestling greco

 

[UNI_HAWKS]

Does anyone remember Tom saying that Clark may go Greco? I can't remember when it was, maybe B1Gs or NCAAs? Any chance that happens or was that just a comment made in jest?

 

[JohnBasedow]

Does anyone remember Tom saying that Clark may go Greco? I can't remember when it was, maybe B1Gs or NCAAs? Any chance that happens or was that just a comment made in jest?

I think he was just joking around after the Terry Toss.

 

[DayHawk18]

I'd like to see Warner, Lugo, Murin, Brooks, Bull, and Kemdawg there.

 

[SPOONER]

I'd like to see Warner, Lugo, Murin, Brooks, Bull, and Kemdawg there.

The world championships are during the season. Kemerer and Marinelli won't be in this.

 

[DayHawk18]

The world championships are during the season. Kemerer and Marinelli won't be in this.

I know but would be a good experience for them. I do think we will see all others I mentioned there though

 

[SPOONER]

I know but would be a good experience for them. I do think we will see all others I mentioned there though

There are other opportunities for good experiences that don't interfere with the collegiate season.

 

[DayHawk18]

There are other opportunities for good experiences that don't interfere with the collegiate season.

Not really. When you take out U23's, they only have the Open/Trials available.

 

[SPOONER]

Not really. When you take out U23's, they only have the Open/Trials available.

I guess I'm not the expert but it seems to me there are several freestyle events in the US and abroad each year. University nationals, regional events, pan am games, world university, etc.

 

[HawkTalk3]

Not really. When you take out U23's, they only have the Open/Trials available.

Seems like there is quite a bit still getting worked out but considering the JRs and SRs have both a US Open and Trials, and USA Wrestling is already used to doing University Nationals in the summer alongside Cadet Nationals, I would think that summer tournament would still be available for the college wrestlers. They could just convert "University Nationals" to "U23 Nationals".

 

[crablegs1]

I guess I'm not the expert but it seems to me there are several freestyle events in the US and abroad each year. University nationals, regional events, pan am games, world university, etc.

The good experience is the part about wrestling at the world championships level. University nationals is great, but nothing that a starting Hawk doesn't get all the time wrestling Iowa's schedule. If Kem has goals for making world and Olympic teams after college, he should take this opportunity, even if Iowa loses him for a meaningless dual or two in November.

 

[SPOONER]

The good experience is the part about wrestling at the world championships level. University nationals is great, but nothing that a starting Hawk doesn't get all the time wrestling Iowa's schedule. If Kem has goals for making world and Olympic teams after college, he should take this opportunity, even if Iowa loses him for a meaningless dual or two in November.

Wrestle freestyle in the offseason. Concentrate on folkstyle in season. That's why these guys are at Iowa, after all.

 

[crablegs1]

Wrestle freestyle in the offseason. Concentrate on folkstyle in season. That's why these guys are at Iowa, after all.

Times have changed. The top athletes (guys we want and need) have bigger goals than NCAA championships. I thought this was Brands mantra as well (best in the Universe). We want Kyle Snyders, not guys whose only goal is NCAAs. They are coming up freestyle focused from the cadet level. If we want the Aaron Brooks, Will Lewan types we need to accommodate their freestyle aspirations. It makes them better wrestlers, and if they have to miss the Iowa City duals, so be it.

 

[PinsNpints]

Times have changed. The top athletes (guys we want and need) have bigger goals than NCAA championships. I thought this was Brands mantra as well (best in the Universe). We want Kyle Snyders, not guys whose only goal is NCAAs. They are coming up freestyle focused from the cadet level. If we want the Aaron Brooks, Will Lewan types we need to accommodate their freestyle aspirations. It makes them better wrestlers, and if they have to miss the Iowa City duals, so be it.

Remember crab they are Student Athletes first.
But I agree

 

[SPOONER]

Times have changed. The top athletes (guys we want and need) have bigger goals than NCAA championships. I thought this was Brands mantra as well (best in the Universe). We want Kyle Snyders, not guys whose only goal is NCAAs. They are coming up freestyle focused from the cadet level. If we want the Aaron Brooks, Will Lewan types we need to accommodate their freestyle aspirations. It makes them better wrestlers, and if they have to miss the Iowa City duals, so be it.

This is hardly just about the IC duals. This is also about training schedule, peaking at the right time, goals and focus. What happens in those areas when guys focusing on winning what's a fairly meh world tournament instead of building towards a national collegiate championship? It worked out fine for Kyle Snyder last year but Snyder is in a league of his own.

I appreciate your sentiment but when it's Iowa Hawkeye wrestling season, that's what our guys should be doing.

 

[AFHawk86]

This is hardly just about the IC duals. This is also about training schedule, peaking at the right time, goals and focus. What happens in those areas when guys focusing on winning what's a fairly meh world tournament instead of building towards a national collegiate championship? It worked out fine for Kyle Snyder last year but Snyder is in a league of his own.

I appreciate your sentiment but when it's Iowa Hawkeye wrestling season, that's what our guys should be doing.

Thanks coach.

 

[crablegs1]

This is hardly just about the IC duals. This is also about training schedule, peaking at the right time, goals and focus. What happens in those areas when guys focusing on winning what's a fairly meh world tournament instead of building towards a national collegiate championship? It worked out fine for Kyle Snyder last year but Snyder is in a league of his own.

I appreciate your sentiment but when it's Iowa Hawkeye wrestling season, that's what our guys should be doing.

I see nothing that would suggest that peaking and training would suffer from someone going to a world championships in November. In fact, I likely see the exact opposite. The collegiate wrestling season/grind is too long. You see many guys suffer from burnout by the end of the season. There is nothing to suggest training and competing from November - end of March is the ideal training method for wrestlers. Those are arbitrarily created dates to fit into the NCAA schedule.

I would argue that wrestling at the world championship level provides benefits in terms of the level of competition, experience to difficult environments, and change in training partners/coaching far outweigh any loss of focus on the NCAAs in late March. When they get back from the worlds, they would still have 4 months to focus and prepare for NCAAs. More than enough time.

 

[24 so far]

So they're burnt out training for Folkstyle, but not Freestyle? Got it.

 

[crablegs1]

So they're burnt out training for Folkstyle, but not Freestyle? Got it.

You must not have much experience with training or burnout. Change of pace/cross training is tremendously beneficial for preventing burnout.

 

[DayHawk18]

I see nothing that would suggest that peaking and training would suffer from someone going to a world championships in November. In fact, I likely see the exact opposite. The collegiate wrestling season/grind is too long. You see many guys suffer from burnout by the end of the season. There is nothing to suggest training and competing from November - end of March is the ideal training method for wrestlers. Those are arbitrarily created dates to fit into the NCAA schedule.

I would argue that wrestling at the world championship level provides benefits in terms of the level of competition, experience to difficult environments, and change in training partners/coaching far outweigh any loss of focus on the NCAAs in late March. When they get back from the worlds, they would still have 4 months to focus and prepare for NCAAs. More than enough time.

My point exactly. Why not encourage them to go and then let them come back at Midlands? Give them a shorter season and get them international experience.

 

[SPOONER]

I see nothing that would suggest that peaking and training would suffer from someone going to a world championships in November. In fact, I likely see the exact opposite. The collegiate wrestling season/grind is too long. You see many guys suffer from burnout by the end of the season. There is nothing to suggest training and competing from November - end of March is the ideal training method for wrestlers. Those are arbitrarily created dates to fit into the NCAA schedule.

I would argue that wrestling at the world championship level provides benefits in terms of the level of competition, experience to difficult environments, and change in training partners/coaching far outweigh any loss of focus on the NCAAs in late March. When they get back from the worlds, they would still have 4 months to focus and prepare for NCAAs. More than enough time.

Ramp up for October and again in November then ramp it up again 3 months later for the Big 10s? There is no shortage of training and other events throughout their careers to experience the things you mentioned. And nevermind the potential for a major increase in lost academic time. Mid-October to Mid-March is folkstyle time. Again...focus, focus, focus.

 

[DayHawk18]

If Lee turns into the hammer we think he will, then why wouldn't we want him at the Yargin or Club Cup during the season? Those would be more beneficial to his growth than a dual against anyone.

 

[24 so far]

You must not have much experience with training or burnout. Change of pace/cross training is tremendously beneficial for preventing burnout.

LOL! No, I've been sitting on my ass on the couch my entire life, living vicarously thru you warrior types to let me understand how the real world operates.

 

[crablegs1]

If Lee turns into the hammer we think he will, then why wouldn't we want him at the Yargin or Club Cup during the season? Those would be more beneficial to his growth than a dual against anyone.

X100

 

[crablegs1]

Just listened to Tom Ryan's interview on Trow and Funky show and he addressed this topic directly. I think his opinion is 100% right and is a great perspective to help TOSU land top recruits. NATO, McKenna and Martin will all be at the U23 trials.