Crablegs is an Iowa State fan. He tries to pass off as being neutral.
*Updated blog 10/8- Iowa Wrestling to have Open Mat on Homecoming Saturday
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Great info, positive article, thanks TC.
PSU trolls don't need an invite to stir things up. I'm guessing there were conversations concerning the topic in question at practice Saturday and that IS something of interest to the team and fans.
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$40,000 for working a camp would not be legal.
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It's a grey area open for manipulation/abuse. I've written about it in other threads. The bylaw is incredibly vague.
It just says the athlete can be paid "at a rate commensurate with the going rate in that locality for similar services."
So I suppose technically, if PSU was paying all of their athletes $10,000 per camp they worked, that would fall within the bylaw guidelines. It's really a terribly written bylaw and it's open to abuse.
Obviously, no team should be able to use camp pay as a bypass for the scholarship limitation. The team with the most money through boosters/rich donors could just buy athletes.
Ohio State had to miss a bowl game a few seasons ago when they were very highly ranked because they had athletes being paid excessively by a third party booster.
The oversight is lacking. Each universities athletic compliance department is responsibility for monitoring this.
IF it’s being done...”telling a recruite that there are additional benefits available over and above a full scholarship”, of course it’s NOT legal. NO additional incentives, benefits, or inducements can be offered or indicated as being available.
Indicating that the possibility of working camps may be available to them would most likely not be considered as breaking any NCAA rules or regulations. However, telling a recruite he could or world earn “any” specific amount would most likley be considered and added inducement for that recruite. I realize the NCAA rules and regs are very obtuse, however, when dollar figures are used and they are used in an attempt to sway a recruites decision it would be consided an abuse.
Oh, C'mon guys, it's so simple, maybe you need a refresher course. Everyone knows that rocket surgery is twice as hard as rocket science or brain surgery because it's both.Rocket surgery? Er, what?
It's all ball bearings.
Talked to Eustice for a while Saturday, he said they’re getting new mats in the wresting room
In approximately 2 weeks.
In approximately 2 weeks.
Why wouldn’t we try and get the wrestlers as much money as we can? Especially when it helps. Only smart to do so. The rules are vague. Propose a high amount and run it by the NCAA for approval. If nothing else, it will cause them to look at other schools. They might just approve it. Better than just doing nothing and whining. I don’t see anything wrong with telling the recruits that they can work wrestling camps in the summer if they are in good standing. That is pretty commonplace, isn’t it? You can push the envelope and be a clean program. They are not mutually exclusive. Gable pushed how they counted scholarships.
First off, Gable did not push how scholarships were counted. That was entirely the big ten’s interpretation handed down to our compliance dept.
Upon reflection didn’t need a second point. You can not offer financial incentives of any kind to a recruit. Therefore, telling the NCAA that you were going to and hoping for their approval seems rather ridiculous and not needing claification.
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Telling the recruits that if they come to your school and are in good standing, that they may have a chance to work the summer camps at the going rate of x per camp. They may also say that usually most guys work y amount of camps. That means you could make xy money as your summer job if you are a good student and member of the team. Nothing wrong with that at all. Most D1 teams do that for basketball and wrestling. Do you think PSU does it any different? Of course they aren’t stupid enough to promise a kid anything. If rumors are true, they just pay them more for the camps. It’s only smart.
One more time. athletes can be told there may be camps available for them to work. They can not be promised camps and they can not be told they will be able to earn any specific amount of money. If psu does that then that’s on them. Those are the NCAA rules; no promises, no inducements, no specifics.
Camps are going to get pricey in Pennsylvania in the next coming years.
I completely understand this. You reply to me like I don’t. My initial point and follow up points were wondering why we complain instead of just trying to pay our wrestlers more at the camps—there is a real chance we haven’t done this. I even suggested we try and do this through the NCAA compliance office. What’s the harm in doing this? Instead, all I get is the canned answer that we can’t offer them specific money. I am well aware of that and I was aware of that before the post. If PSU and tOSU are getting their wrestlers more money by getting them more of the camp money, then we need to explore the how’s and see if it would work for us rather than just doing nothing. But it’s obvious we problem solve differently, so we will just argue in circles. I respect that
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Can we at least address Carl Pitino by his real name around here.
Its so funny to me that in today's society once your good you have to be cheating.Good thing that's not how society was during Gable cause there's no difference in Iowa then and Penn St now.
I was being facetious. It was not all the Big Ten. It was only Iowa. Google it yourself. We accidentally gave out too many wrestling scholarships and no other team did the same.
And all of your messages are written as if internet message board posters are running the Iowa wrestling program.
You have exposed me. I am undersecretary to the undersecretary under Jane Meyer.
You could go ahead and tell the rest of the story, but I'm guessing that won't align with whatever it is you're trying to prove.
Never said it was all of the big ten. I said the big ten gave the Iowa compliance dept misleading information as to how the number of scholarships were to be determined. That is why Iowa was not disciplined and only had to adjust their scholarships based on the corrected numbers. That’s the part you forgot to add.
It's going to be a long season when we already have the football nuts like hawkNUT coming over. He doesn't follow the team close enough to know guys are out with season ending injuries, but is always around if there is something to complain about.
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