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Upon Further Review
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Should the college football playoff expand to eight teams?

For years, College Football had the pleasure of naming their annual champion via a poll. A poll voted on by broadcasters and sports writers across the United States. Huh. See any potential problems with that?

So did a few others.

In an effort to fix it, the powers to be came up with the Bowl Coalition from 1992-1994.

Then came the Bowl Alliance from 1995-1997.

After that, the BCS was born, and while it was better, it still wasn’t enough.

15 years later, another change brought us the current College Football Playoff format, which is actually a plus one type of system, which allows for four teams to be chosen by a 13 member committee. One plays Four, Two plays Three, in a round robin of six major bowl venues. This format will run through the 2025 season.

In three years, the college football playoffs have had eight different teams participate. Oregon, Washington, Oklahoma, Michigan State and Florida State have all participated once. Ohio State has two appearances, with one National Championship in 2014. Clemson has two appearances, both resulting in an appearance in the championship game, with one title coming last year. Alabama, or the Death Star as I like to call them, has been in the playoffs all three years. They have one title in two championship games, coming in 2015.

Thanks Captain obvious!

About now, you college football professional fans are thanking me for the playoff history lesson and wondering where I’m going with all this.

Picture this, we wait like eight months, every single year, for college football to start at the beginning of September. By the end of December, the majority of college football is over, with the exception of New Years Day games, and the playoffs. Imagine, if you will, that every single season is the same. Over and over and over. Just like Phil Connors, you know the outcome before it ever happens……….

Right now, that’s kind of how it looks. The outcome looks like the same basic group of teams will participate in the college football playoff format year after year after year. Is that good for college football overall?

I guess if you are an Alabama, Clemson or Ohio State fan, the answer is an easy one. If you are a fan of absolutely anyone else, the answer gets a little fuzzy.

For years, college football fans clamored for a definitive format that would crown a real champion. Well, like I always say, be careful what you ask for, you might just get it! And just like the BCS Format, it’s never quite what people envisioned, proving that you can never make everyone truly happy. You can only appease the masses.

After three short years, we have a snap shot of how this will work. What happens, if, in three more years, the OSU’s, Clemson’s and Alabama’s of the college football world are still dominating the playoff format? Does the interest in the current system wane? Do fans shut off the TV’s? Do ticket sales suffer?

Or……………do the talking heads figure out a way to move to eight?

Five conference champions and three at-large bids. It’s not perfect, but it gets all five major conferences an opportunity. Then, the committee can pick the next three teams, including a 2 loss team, if they are the best choice, get them seeded properly, and let them play.

You can still use a round robin format with the six major bowls as the venues. Four games on New Year’s day. A week later, play semi-final games at the last two bowls, then a neutral site game for the championship.

Is it perfect? No. Is it more ideal than what we have? It is if we want to have a wider variety of teams from year to year. It would turn on a few more TV’s. It would definitely sell a lot more tickets.

The current system is already a little stale. If we don’t want to feel like Phil Connors, if might be time for a change.

A quick look around the country, which saw some eyebrow raising results this past weekend.

Clemson took a big step in the ACC this past weekend, when they were able to contain Lamar Jackson and the Louisville Cardinals. Jackson still threw for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns against a very good Clemson defense, but it wasn’t enough. Virginia Tech moved to 3-0. Miami is finally getting back to live action this coming weekend. Right now, I’d have to say that Clemson looks poised to take control of the ACC once again.

There are five pretty darn good teams in the Big 12. Oklahoma and my preseason pick, Okie State, have looked unstoppable. TCU has taken care of their business in very Gary Patterson like style. Texas Tech is 2-0, but I don’t foresee that continuing, even from this offensive juggernaut. Tech QB, and Iowa transfer, Nic Shimonek, currently has the third best QBR in College Football. They get Houston this weekend and then start conference play. I anticipate that they will still live up to my preseason prediction. West Virginia is also very good. Don’t sleep on the Mountaineers, they will surprise some folks this year.

The Big Ten is still strong. Wisconsin still appears to be the front runner in the West. But Iowa, Minnesota and dare I say, Purdue, all look decent so far. In the East, OSU, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State and Maryland are all in contention. I would not be surprised to see Purdue beat Michigan this weekend. I would also not be overly surprised to see Rutgers give Nebraska a run for their money. Okay, I’ll say it, I will be surprised if Iowa manages to beat Penn State. Honestly, I don’t know how good Iowa really is. Las Vegas set their over/under at 6.5 wins prior to the season starting. I had them at 7-5, and one of those 5 losses belonged to Penn State. Matter of fact, I had them 4-2 going into the bye week, and they aren’t losing to Illinois.

The Pac 12 took one on the chin this past weekend. Really, it was two to the chin. Memphis took care of their business and beat the mighty UCLA Bruins. If that wasn’t bad enough, San Diego State managed to do something Iowa couldn’t do, and that was beat the Stanford Cardinal. Seriously! In the North, Wazzu, Washington, Oregon and California all remained unbeaten. Mike Leach has his merry band of pirates playing pretty damn well. Will they challenge the Huskies this year? Time will tell. USC survived a scare from Texas. Colorado and Utah continued to win.

In the SEC, it’s still the Death Star and the rest. There were, however, a couple very good games this past weekend. If you got to see the Vandy vs K. State game, and you like defense, you saw a very well played game. If you liked drama, and saw the Tennessee vs Florida game, you were treated to just that! And if you wanted a surprise, there was the total domination of Mississippi State in their win over LSU. Mississippi State has Georgia this coming weekend, I will probably keep an eye on that one. Another one I’m going to keep both eyes on is Arkansas and Texas A&M in Arlington, Tx. The coach of the team that losses that game will be front and center in next weeks article. Both coaches were in my preseason hot seat article.

As a reminder, my preseason CFP final four were Bama, Okie State, USC and OSU. All of those four teams could still definitely be a part of the playoff scenario.

Final fact: there are 36 teams left in both power five and group of five conferences that remain unbeaten. I’ll track that for a while and see where it goes.

Next week, we will be 1/3 of the way through the season. We’ll take a look at the pre-season and current hot seat situation. Till then….
 
End game should be 16 with high seed getting home field. Just like every other division of CFB.

Great Great games at the end of the year. 1 loss doesnt knock you out like it does now and smaller schools get a real chance to win it. Southern schools having to play in real weather at the end of the year!
 
I would like 8 teams but I would rather have the highest seeded team play true home games up until the Semifinal or the Final. More ticket sales. Rewards the school and fan base more. Would be fun to see a southern school come up north and play in some cold weather.
I completely agree.... there's no reason not to have football up north,

its imperative that we have the Conference Champions receiving automatic bids... until that happens... the college playoffs aren't serious.

last year proved that... taking a 2nd place team over a 1st place team.
 
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I'll go one step further...
I think there should be an 8 team Playoff...

as well... there should be 2-4 4 team mini tournaments, if you will...
the best of the rest participating in their own mini regional tournament.

if these guys wanted to make money.. they'd already be doing it...
my concern is.. the people in charge are more concerned with 'controlling' the whole thing, if you know what I mean.
I think that's why we seen a big shift at ESPN... and why now all of a sudden we are seeing strangely officiated games.
 
End game should be 16 with high seed getting home field. Just like every other division of CFB.

Great Great games at the end of the year. 1 loss doesnt knock you out like it does now and smaller schools get a real chance to win it. Southern schools having to play in real weather at the end of the year!

I agree 100%
 
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I'm waiting for the "but the bowl games" argument that always seems to be made. Would a 16 team playoff somehow make all the lower tier bowls more garbage than they already are? If so, please tell me how.
I fail to see how the foster farms game, new mexico, las vegas, and on and on will have any less meaning than they do now if there were an expanded playoff. The same numbers of people will watch crap bowls because they are being broadcast and the same number of mediocre teams will still get to play.
 
The fact that it's always the same faces at the championship table is exactly why I really don't give a damn about the national championship. Would I like Iowa to win one? You bet. Am I holding my breath? Hell no.

While there's significantly more parity in college football now than there was 20+ years ago, the top tier blue blood programs still hold enough of a recruiting/talant advantage that it will always be a freak event when anyone else wins the NC. It's a party to which my team is, quite frankly, not welcome. So I say "eff them". It's just not that big a deal.

I'll watch my teams and my conference and let the rich folks have their pretty parade without me (not that they care). They can thump their chests about winning a race with a ferrari against a bunch of mid-sized sedans, but it's pretty easy to see who's been dealt the best cards. If anything, they should be supremely embarrassed if they don't win the NC.
 
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The fact that it's always the same faces at the championship table is exactly why I really don't give a damn about the national championship. Would I like Iowa to win one? You bet. Am I holding my breath? Hell no.

While there's significantly more parity in college football now than there was 20+ years ago, the top tier blue blood programs still hold enough of a recruiting/talant advantage that it will always be a freak event when anyone else wins the NC. It's a party to which my team is, quite frankly, not welcome. So I say "eff them". It's just not that big a deal.

I'll watch my teams and my conference and let the rich folks have their pretty parade without me (not that they care). They can thump their chests about winning a race with a ferrari against a bunch of mid-sized sedans, but it's pretty easy to see who's been dealt the best cards. If anything, they should be supremely embarrassed if they don't win the NC.
that's a great point and I completely agree...
think about fOSU... they get the best recruits... their coach of choice... they get all the media coverage... yet... they haven't won their division, let alone the conference in the last 2 years... and it don't look like they'll win it this year.
I like it...
I think Parity is a good thing.
and I'm a big fan of the Underdog.
 
teams 9-16 typically have no claim on being national champion most years. 1-8 might most years and some years only 1-3 or 1-4.

8 teams is the correct amount.

if some 3 loss SEC winds up #16 and wins it all, who let's say beat the #1 ranked and undefeated team, it will only cause more controversy.

#16, 3 loss wins ending 13-3
#1, 1 loss doesn't ending 13-1
 
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teams 9-16 typically have no claim on being national champion most years. 1-8 might most years and some years only 1-3 or 1-4.

8 teams is the correct amount.

if some 3 loss SEC winds up #16 and wins it all, who let's say beat the #1 ranked and undefeated team, it will only cause more controversy.

#16, 3 loss wins ending 13-3
#1, 1 loss doesn't ending 13-1

I think 16 is too many..

Although, the FBS has been doing it for years. Don't recall a 16 ever winning.

Mike
 
The only reason I've ever been lukewarm on expanding the playoff is due to the Pac12 vs. Big Ten Rose Bowl on New Years day still happening in most years. An 8/16 team playoff means that probably won't ever happen. I guess you've gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

Ultimately the TV networks will decide. They will crunch numbers and make projections and Whatever produces the most revenue will be the format we get. And to that end I don't see home games for high seeds being realistic.
 
If a 16 seed wins, THEY ARE THE NATIONAL CHAMPS. What's controversial about a team beating everyone in front of them?
It doesn't matter one bit that some people might think the '83 houston cougars were the better team, nc state were the national champs. Same in '85 when a dominant georgetown lost to underdog villanova.
Any double digit seed winning it all would be one of the greatest outcomes.
 
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If a 16 seed wins, THEY ARE THE NATIONAL CHAMPS. What's controversial about a team beating everyone in front of them?
It doesn't matter one bit that some people might think the '83 houston cougars were the better team, nc state were the national champs. Same in '85 when a dominant georgetown lost to underdog villanova.
Any double digit seed winning it all would be one of the greatest outcomes.

I like your post..but this ain't bball...:)

You're right though!

Mike
 
Why not?

Mike

I'm not sure about markfromj, but I can give my thought on it...

First off, I like your write up and you make some good points. I just have a different belief about it. Your best selling point to me was that basically it means more college football; which I like. Now on to my opinion.

My belief is that only the two best teams deserve to play for the national championship. That's why the 4 team playoff was started. A 4 team playoff ensures that we have the two best teams playing for the national championship, because with the BCS you always wondered if #3 was actually a better team than the #2 team.

If your team was not good enough throughout the regular season to be ranked #1 or #2 at the end of the season, then you have no right to cry about not making it in to a 4 team playoff. That's the end of the story for me.

Personally, I would like to see them do away with the committee. I wanted them to stick with the BCS system, but have the computers decide who the 4 best teams are and have a playoff from there. That didn't happen.

I never understood why the NCAA opened themselves up to the risk of having committee members being bought out by boosters to vote for their team to make it to a 4 team playoff.
 
teams 9-16 typically have no claim on being national champion most years. 1-8 might most years and some years only 1-3 or 1-4.

8 teams is the correct amount.

if some 3 loss SEC winds up #16 and wins it all, who let's say beat the #1 ranked and undefeated team, it will only cause more controversy.

#16, 3 loss wins ending 13-3
#1, 1 loss doesn't ending 13-1

Of course Notre Dame is gonna want their special little deal.
 
teams 9-16 typically have no claim on being national champion most years. 1-8 might most years and some years only 1-3 or 1-4.

8 teams is the correct amount.

if some 3 loss SEC winds up #16 and wins it all, who let's say beat the #1 ranked and undefeated team, it will only cause more controversy.

#16, 3 loss wins ending 13-3
#1, 1 loss doesn't ending 13-1

Of course Notre Dame is gonna want their special little deal.

I say if it moves to 8, that ends......

Z
 
If a 16 seed wins, THEY ARE THE NATIONAL CHAMPS. What's controversial about a team beating everyone in front of them?
It doesn't matter one bit that some people might think the '83 houston cougars were the better team, nc state were the national champs. Same in '85 when a dominant georgetown lost to underdog villanova.
Any double digit seed winning it all would be one of the greatest outcomes.

Maybe in your book. From my perspective, they were champions of a nationwide invitational tournament, nothing more. Further, they're a poster child for why this persistent need to crown a NC in football is a waste of time. Given the "any given Saturday" effect, the only way to crown a true national champion is with a series based playoff like MLB and NBA. Anything else is just a tourney champ or popularity contest winner. Football will never be able to crown a true champ in my book, so this endless search for the ultimate solution is comical.
 
At some point a #16 would be in it at the end and much of country would be rooting for the dog "Cinderella".

Or.... that Cinderella has no fan base and the championship game is half empty.

traveling multiple weekends to destinations over Christmas and New Years has got to be figured in here somehow.
 
Or.... that Cinderella has no fan base and the championship game is half empty.

traveling multiple weekends to destinations over Christmas and New Years has got to be figured in here somehow.

Well it wouldn't be about physical attendance, but guarantee you it is more like the basketball tournament. When your team is not in generally people root for the underdog.
 
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