Usually not one take a shot at the Cyclowns but.....

[Ihawkhoops]

Does anyone else find it ironic that Niang and the rest of his soon to be out of top 20 teammates who were so quick to talk smack about Iowa choking can't finish games? Maybe Niang should focus more on his team not finishing in the bottom 1/3 of the big 12 and less about being a bombastic blowhard. Great, you guys have a winning record against Iowa, but how is your season going?

I know, the Big 12 is the best conference in basketball and ISU would be undefeated playing Iowa's schedule and Naz Long is out and McKay was suspended and on and on and on.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

I thought Niang would be a better leader than this, but this season is showing he's a pretty poor leader. Looks like a lot of guys on the team don't respect Prohm at all.

 

[CyCity]

I thought Niang would be a better leader than this, but this season is showing he's a pretty poor leader. Looks like a lot of guys on the team don't respect Prohm at all.

Niang is having the best year of his career. He's been really good.

 

[Suterman]

Niang is a great player without question. The earlier poster was questioning his leadership.

 

[QChawks]

oh look another ISU thread

 

[CyCity]

Niang is a great player without question. The earlier poster was questioning his leadership.

What would make you question his leadership? He's been a great ambassador since he stepped on campus and the players really respect him.

 

[Pepperman]

Careful, the Clones are getting pissed off. I mean, just think - a broken foot took away a sure championship trophy two years ago, and then last year's team flopped in the first round, and now this year's team is competing for a 6 seed at best? I'd be pissed off too if the best basketball period we had over three seasons got us nothing but a sweet 16 appearance.

 

[joey632]

Uthoff vs. Niang-- hands down I take Uthoff. Uthoff is a better player this season and definitely is on the NBA Rader. Niang will go oversees gain 50 pounds and his bitch tit's will get so big he will have to retire after just 2 seasons.

 

[JEDN]

Looks to me like both Burton and McKay are big time head cases and that Prohm might be in over his head. I have no love for Niang after the kiss blowing incident last year and wish them a prompt thud in the Big Dance!

 

[Ronman]

Seems to me that Hoiberg abandoning the Clown ship for the Bulls has decimated TWO basketball teams.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

What would make you question his leadership? He's been a great ambassador since he stepped on campus and the players really respect him.

LOL oh I don't know, the fact that guys are refusing to practice, that your preseason top five team is going to finish in the bottom half of the conference, that it's obvious the players aren't buying into Prohm as coach.

 

[CyCity]

LOL oh I don't know, the fact that guys are refusing to practice, that your preseason top five team is going to finish in the bottom half of the conference, that it's obvious the players aren't buying into Prohm as coach.

What guys are refusing to practice? I know of one that did one practice and he got suspended. If ISU is #17 in KenPom now and is going to finish in the bottom half of the Big 12 I think that speaks more towards the strength of the conference than it does to the weakness of Iowa State.

 

[txhawkfan1]

They still have West Virginia and Kansas left on the road. Very good chance they end up with 10 or more losses.

 

[Steve Waite]

ISU isn't that good. They were overrated from the get go. Iowa would beat them by 20 if we played them right now. They gave up 100 pts, to Baylor. Lol. Big 12 plays no defense. Just like football.
They'll get 7 teams in the dance and will be surprised if any of them get past sweet 16.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

What guys are refusing to practice? I know of one that did one practice and he got suspended. If ISU is #17 in KenPom now and is going to finish in the bottom half of the Big 12 I think that speaks more towards the strength of the conference than it does to the weakness of Iowa State.

Since I've started reading threads on this site all I ever hear from ISU fans is how tough their schedule is for both football and bball and how they are always trying to justify big 12 as the top conference. I guess we'll see how tough big 12 is come tourney time cause we all know how last year went with top teams flaming out early.

 

[CyCity]

Since I've started reading threads on this site all I ever hear from ISU fans is how tough their schedule is for both football and bball and how they are always trying to justify big 12 as the top conference. I guess we'll see how tough big 12 is come tourney time cause we all know how last year went with top teams flaming out early.

It's not just ISU fans saying it. KenPom says the Big 12 is that good. ISU has 8 losses now, is in the bottom half of their own conference and KenPom has them as the 17th best team in the country.

 

[Pepperman]

To be fair to ISU, they have been in every game. With Naz Long, they probably have 3-4 more wins.

I'm just enjoying the meltdown because ISU's own players have shown they can't be a class act, so why should I care about them?

 

[bravehawks1]

It's not just ISU fans saying it. KenPom says the Big 12 is that good. ISU has 8 losses now, is in the bottom half of their own conference and KenPom has them as the 17th best team in the country.

If you are talking about tough conferences, lets not get carried away. MSU is 3rd on ken Pom but 6th or 7th in the conference standings. I think I am hearing the flushing sound for that ISU argument that is total crap!

 

[txhawk I]

The Golden State Warriors would finish 3rd in the Big 12 this year.

 

[Herkster5]

It's not just ISU fans saying it. KenPom says the Big 12 is that good. ISU has 8 losses now, is in the bottom half of their own conference and KenPom has them as the 17th best team in the country.

CyCity, I don't like to throw dirt on the cyclone fans that visit here, at least not many of them. But, let's look at the statement you just made about ISU and the Big12.

So, you state that ISU, which could finish in the bottom half of their conference, is the 17th best team in the country. And you are using that statement to defend the B12, and how solid they are in basketball. Legit, I can't argue, because the ratings you provided are factually correct.
However, let's apply the same metric to MSU and the B10.
MSU, is #8 in the AP Poll, and 8th in the B10. So, by your assertion, this would make the B10 the stronger conference, using the metrics you had provided, right?


Oh, and the B12 is the better conference, top to bottom. I really don't disagree with that notion, but since you laid an egg on your attempted explanation as to why the B12 is superior to the B10, I figured I would debunk your claim.

 

[CyCity]

CyCity, I don't like to throw dirt on the cyclone fans that visit here, at least not many of them. But, let's look at the statement you just made about ISU and the Big12.

So, you state that ISU, which could finish in the bottom half of their conference, is the 17th best team in the country. And you are using that statement to defend the B12, and how solid they are in basketball. Legit, I can't argue, because the ratings you provided are factually correct.
However, let's apply the same metric to MSU and the B10.
MSU, is #8 in the AP Poll, and 8th in the B10. So, by your assertion, this would make the B10 the stronger conference, using the metrics you had provided, right?


Oh, and the B12 is the better conference, top to bottom. I really don't disagree with that notion, but since you laid an egg on your attempted explanation as to why the B12 is superior to the B10, I figured I would debunk your claim.

Indiana is the 2nd in the B10 and are #22 in KenPom. Ohio State is tied for 5th in the B10 and are #64 in KenPom. I guess what I was trying to prove was trying to throw dirt on ISU because they are in the bottom half of the Big 12 doesn't mean they aren't still a good team.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

What guys are refusing to practice? I know of one that did one practice and he got suspended. If ISU is #17 in KenPom now and is going to finish in the bottom half of the Big 12 I think that speaks more towards the strength of the conference than it does to the weakness of Iowa State.

Get a team past the sweet sixteen for the first time in like five years and then you can talk about how strong of a conference you play in.

And you're right, it's totally normal for two of your top seven guys to get suspended for not showing up and not practicing.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

If you are talking about tough conferences, lets not get carried away. MSU is 3rd on ken Pom but 6th or 7th in the conference standings. I think I am hearing the flushing sound for that ISU argument that is total crap!

That's crazy, 3rd in the country and middle of the B10, sounds like a conference you can count on to put multiple teams in the elite eight, and Final Four year in and year out.

 

[Herkster5]

Indiana is the 2nd in the B10 and are #22 in KenPom. Ohio State is tied for 5th in the B10 and are #64 in KenPom. I guess what I was trying to prove was trying to throw dirt on ISU because they are in the bottom half of the Big 12 doesn't mean they aren't still a good team.

And they are a good team, they just have depth issues, and when you have 4 players going 40+ minutes last night, or 4 players averaging over 30 a game, with Monte pushing 38 or so, it's going to wear them down.

I just posted what I did for entertainment value, because you picked ISU out of the B12 with the parameters that they might finish in the bottom half. So, I did the same in the B10, with MSU, currently in the bottom half. As I said, I agree with you that the B12 is a better league, overall.

 

[MitchL]

As stated by someone else... this mess that Prohm inherited is not how you play TEAM basketball. They play one on one like NBA teams do. There's a reason why some of these guys likely didn't last at their previous schools. You couldn't pay me enough to have a guy like McKay on my team. He is a distraction and is too selfish, imo.

Is there talent? HELL YES! But they have no bench and the starters are having to play too many minutes. Get these clowns gone and in two years we will see if Prohm survives with his kids.

 

[hawkeyemike23]

As stated by someone else... this mess that Prohm inherited is not how you play TEAM basketball. They play one on one like NBA teams do. There's a reason why some of these guys likely didn't last at their previous schools. You couldn't pay me enough to have a guy like McKay on my team. He is a distraction and is too selfish, imo.

Is there talent? HELL YES! But they have no bench and the starters are having to play too many minutes. Get these clowns gone and in two years we will see if Prohm survives with his kids.

The Brady Ernst era begins next year...

 

[His Hawkness]

It's not just ISU fans saying it. KenPom says the Big 12 is that good. ISU has 8 losses now, is in the bottom half of their own conference and KenPom has them as the 17th best team in the country.

Ahhh, life as an ISU fan. When you can't win blame it on the schedule.

 

[CyCity]

Ahhh, life as an ISU fan. When you can't win blame it on the schedule.

Iowa State is going to be a 5 seed in the NCAA tournamen so it's not like they aren't winning. I get Iowa fans want ISU to not be good and make them out to be worse than they are but reality is ISU is still a top 20 team and they have the talent to do well in the dance. No excuses, it's up to Prohm and the team to do it. Should be a fun March.

 

[His Hawkness]

Iowa State is going to be a 5 seed in the NCAA tournamen so it's not like they aren't winning. I get Iowa fans want ISU to not be good and make them out to be worse than they are but reality is ISU is still a top 20 team and they have the talent to do well in the dance. No excuses, it's up to Prohm and the team to do it. Should be a fun March.

They have under-performed for sure, but just gets sickening hearing schedule, schedule, schedule. Sooner or later you just need to win games. Talking both football and basketball.

 

[CyCity]

They have under-performed for sure, but just gets sickening hearing schedule, schedule, schedule. Sooner or later you just need to win games. Talking both football and basketball.

It's been a disappointing season for sure but that's only because of where expectations where. Hopefully they can put it together at the right time.

 

[MitchL]

ISU is VERY talented from an individual standpoint, but they are very susceptible to a disciplined, slow it down kind of team in the Tourney.

The jury is still out on the HC, but I think he's in over his head in a P5 conference.

 

[And1Hawk]

The joke is the Big12 will probably finally pull off a good run this year in the tourney for the first time in years and then justify themselves as the greatest league for the past 20 years. That's just how they roll.

 

[DanL53]

It's been a disappointing season for sure but that's only because of where expectations where. Hopefully they can put it together at the right time.

You wouldn't be disappointed if you had just trusted me when I told you last fall that Iowa State has some mercenary head cases and there could be trouble during the season.

So trust me when I say this, your recruiting class has a guy or two that likely will never live in Ames, and you have overblown the value of your Juco point guard. The rest of this season is going to stink, really stink. And I don't see anybody developing under Prohm, just leftovers from Hoiberg waiting to get out. Honestly, Prohm reminds me of Groce.

I'll help you see reality CyCity. A very dark time for Cyclone sports is on the horizon. Accept that now, and at least you can say to yourself you saw it coming.

 

[ddelzell]

I'm not shy about taking shots at ISU when the situation merits it. For the last two years I've had to endure the hyperbole of how great ISU basketball is and how this year is going to be a lock for the Final Four. Now, it's their turn to suck it!

 

[CyCity]

You wouldn't be disappointed if you had just trusted me when I told you last fall that Iowa State has some mercenary head cases and there could be trouble during the season.

So trust me when I say this, your recruiting class has a guy or two that likely will never live in Ames, and you have overblown the value of your Juco point guard. The rest of this season is going to stink, really stink. And I don't see anybody developing under Prohm, just leftovers from Hoiberg waiting to get out. Honestly, Prohm reminds me of Groce.

I'll help you see reality CyCity. A very dark time for Cyclone sports is on the horizon. Accept that now, and at least you can say to yourself you saw it coming.

Fran offered him and he would be the starting PG at Iowa next year. Matt Thomas has certainly developed under Prohm too, Monte as well.

 

[His Hawkness]

Fran offered him and he would be the starting PG at Iowa next year. Matt Thomas has certainly developed under Prohm too, Monte as well.

Huh??? Both of those guys have been in the program three years and were high level recruits. I wouldn't give Prohm any credit for those guys. We won't know about Prohm until he gets his own guys in.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

Don't forget the Big12 is really really bad. Will be confirmed in 4 weeks.

 

[CyCity]

Huh??? Both of those guys have been in the program three years and were high level recruits. I wouldn't give Prohm any credit for those guys. We won't know about Prohm until he gets his own guys in.

I actually agree with this.

 

[freemanbrenner]

As stated by someone else... this mess that Prohm inherited is not how you play TEAM basketball. They play one on one like NBA teams do. There's a reason why some of these guys likely didn't last at their previous schools. You couldn't pay me enough to have a guy like McKay on my team. He is a distraction and is too selfish, imo.

Is there talent? HELL YES! But they have no bench and the starters are having to play too many minutes. Get these clowns gone and in two years we will see if Prohm survives with his kids.

There's plenty of passing in the NBA. From a talent standpoint, if they are as good as everyone says depth shouldn't matter. You have Morris and niang.

 

[DanL53]

I actually agree with this.

See you are actually arguing with yourself!!! One minute Prohm is developing Morris and Thomas, the next minute you are agreeing with a guy who says he didn't!!!

I'm really trying to just help you CyCity. Yes, I KNOW McCaffery offered the same Juco point guard. But that doesn't mean I'd start imagining he was going to be some instant starter on a great team or anything. Have you even THOUGHT about all the assumptions you are making?

Man, you're heading for a cliff. I'm just trying to warn you. "Danger!" "Caution!" You had a nice road there for awhile. If I were you I'd hightail it back to CF and hang out for a decade or two.