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Vaccine skeptic hired to head federal study of immunizations and autism

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A vaccine skeptic who has long promoted false claims about the connection between immunizations and autism has been tapped by the federal government to conduct a critical study of possible links between the two, according to current and former federal health officials.

The Department of Health and Human Services has hired David Geier to conduct the analysis, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. Geier and his father, Mark Geier, have published papers claiming vaccines increase the risk of autism, a theory that has been studied for decades and scientifically debunked.

David Geier was disciplined by Maryland regulators more than a decade ago for practicing medicine without a license. He is listed as a data analyst in the HHS employee directory.
Public health and autism experts fear that choosing a researcher who has promoted false claims will produce a flawed study with far-reaching consequences. They fear it will undermine the importance of the lifesaving inoculations and further damage trust in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The government’s premier public health agency has stressed vaccination as the safest and most effective measure to control the spread of some contagious diseases, including the growing measles outbreak in Texas and New Mexico.
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“It seems the goal of this administration is to prove that vaccines cause autism, even though they don’t,” said Alison Singer, president of the Autism Science Foundation, a nonprofit organization that funds autism research. “They are starting with the conclusion and looking to prove it. That’s not how science is done.”
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President Donald Trump and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. have repeatedly linked vaccines to autism. Kennedy has often cited studies by David Geier and his father, a physician, asserting that their research reveals the negative effects of vaccines.
David Geier said in a brief telephone interview Tuesday he had no comment about whether he has a role in the study, how he was hired, and whether he holds the same views about vaccines and autism as described in his previous research.
“I don’t have any comment to say,” he said. “Talk to the secretary. He’s the person that’s in charge.”
HHS and CDC officials did not respond to emails requesting comment.
Jessica Steier, a public health researcher who leads the nonprofit Science Literacy Lab that scrutinizes research on high-profile health topics, said that the Geiers’ research is riddled with basic flaws and that the pair have “demonstrated patterns of an anti-vaccine agenda.”
“This is a worst-case scenario for public health,” Steier said. “It’s a slap in the face to the decades of actual credible research we have.”
 
Quick question for the anti vaxxers: if vaccines cause autism why is there a higher rate of autism among unvaxxed or under-vaxxed kids than those with vaccinations?

Seems like the unvaxxed would have lower rates. Since they do not, it seems like this dude’s job and the study are an opportunity for Doge efficiency.

If vaccines caused autism, I'd be the most autistic man in the world.
 
Quick question for the anti vaxxers: if vaccines cause autism why is there a higher rate of autism among unvaxxed or under-vaxxed kids than those with vaccinations?

Seems like the unvaxxed would have lower rates. Since they do not, it seems like this dude’s job and the study are an opportunity for Doge efficiency.
I don’t dispute but where did you find that info or article?
 
Ffs! Have you ever read a study before?

The objectives of this study were 2-fold. First, we investigated if children after receiving an ASD diagnosis obtain all of their remaining scheduled vaccines according to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)31 recommendations. Second, we assessed whether younger siblings of children with ASD receive all recommended vaccines on time compared with younger siblings of children without ASD.

Shocking! Parents whose kids get autism stop vaccinating them AND their younger siblings...most likely because they've seen what damage vaccines are capable of doing.
 
Quick question for the anti vaxxers: if vaccines cause autism why is there a higher rate of autism among unvaxxed or under-vaxxed kids than those with vaccinations?

Seems like the unvaxxed would have lower rates. Since they do not, it seems like this dude’s job and the study are an opportunity for Doge efficiency.
Because their parents are dumb and mentally challenged, therefore their kids brains aren't working right.
 
Ffs! Have you ever read a study before?

The objectives of this study were 2-fold. First, we investigated if children after receiving an ASD diagnosis obtain all of their remaining scheduled vaccines according to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)31 recommendations. Second, we assessed whether younger siblings of children with ASD receive all recommended vaccines on time compared with younger siblings of children without ASD.

Shocking! Parents whose kids get autism stop vaccinating them AND their younger siblings...most likely because they've seen what damage vaccines are capable of doing.
You are right with respect to this study. I had seen the stat and glanced through the article without reading it in detail. I deserve some crow. I will say in doing so I did exactly what the anti-vaxxers do. I let a correlation determine causation in my mind - I suppose because of a cognitive bias.

This is why studies like the one they will conduct require an open mind and the ability to admit when your hypothesis is wrong, I hope the person they have tapped for this is up to that challenge.
 
Ffs! Have you ever read a study before?

The objectives of this study were 2-fold. First, we investigated if children after receiving an ASD diagnosis obtain all of their remaining scheduled vaccines according to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)31 recommendations. Second, we assessed whether younger siblings of children with ASD receive all recommended vaccines on time compared with younger siblings of children without ASD.

Shocking! Parents whose kids get autism stop vaccinating them AND their younger siblings...most likely because they've seen what damage vaccines are capable of doing.

Meanwhile, in the UK, they reviewed autism rates across decades, and found NO INCREASES in rates.

That study was linked for you earlier.
 
Something worth noting about this new "autism/vaccines" hire:

W/o any medical degree, he was chemically castrating autistic people - more than likely to "prevent them from breeding". Fits in nicely with the Nazi tendencies of our current administration and the "dilution of the white/superior race" thing here...
 
Something worth noting about this new "autism/vaccines" hire:

W/o any medical degree, he was chemically castrating autistic people - more than likely to "prevent them from breeding". Fits in nicely with the Nazi tendencies of our current administration and the "dilution of the white/superior race" thing here...
Who the hell does he think he is...Billy Gates?
 
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Damn, those UK autism rates seem super stable...🥴

Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK.

Increases in diagnoses have been a feature of autism for almost as long as it has been a recognised condition: 80 years ago, autism was thought to affect one in 2,500 children. That has gradually increased and now one in 36 children are believed to have autism spectrum disorder (ASD).
(UK Guardian)
 
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Damn, those UK autism rates seem super stable...🥴

Autism is a condition in a state of slow flux. In 2021, a study found a 787% rise in the number of diagnoses between 1998 and 2018 in the UK.

Debunked data now. Which is why I'd posted the other article for you.


Estimating underdiagnosis in autistic people​

Out of a population of 56.5 million; we estimate that 463,500 (0.82% of the population) have been diagnosed autistic, and between 435,700 and 1,197,300 (58.63–72.11% of autistic people; 0.77%–2.12% of the English population) may be autistic but undiagnosed as of 2018 (see eTables S12–S14).d Fig. 2 provides estimates of numbers of diagnosed autistic people and lower- and upper-bound figures for true prevalence based on our projections. We estimate that between c. 152,900 and 489,900 people aged 20–49 years (52.47–75.47% of autistic people) and between 251,100 and 591,600 people aged 50+ (92.11–96.48% of autistic people) may be autistic but undiagnosed.

The REASON for the increase, is that they are LOOKING for it far more than they did 30-50 years ago...


 
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Debunked data now. Which is why I'd posted the other article for you.


Estimating underdiagnosis in autistic people​

Out of a population of 56.5 million; we estimate that 463,500 (0.82% of the population) have been diagnosed autistic, and between 435,700 and 1,197,300 (58.63–72.11% of autistic people; 0.77%–2.12% of the English population) may be autistic but undiagnosed as of 2018 (see eTables S12–S14).d Fig. 2 provides estimates of numbers of diagnosed autistic people and lower- and upper-bound figures for true prevalence based on our projections. We estimate that between c. 152,900 and 489,900 people aged 20–49 years (52.47–75.47% of autistic people) and between 251,100 and 591,600 people aged 50+ (92.11–96.48% of autistic people) may be autistic but undiagnosed.

The REASON for the increase, is that they are LOOKING for it far more than they did 30-50 years ago...


Damn! There's been a 787% increase in autism diagnoses in the UK in addition to the huge under-diagnoses?!?

But, but, but measles!!!!

W☠️nder what's caus💉ng all the autism?
 
Damn! There's been a 787% increase in autism diagnoses in the UK in addition to the huge under-diagnoses?!?
Uh, no

The "under-diagnosis" spans >7 decades.

Your "700% increase" is due to increased attention and changes in medical definitions. Nearly ALL of the undiagnosed are now >20 yrs old, which demonstrates the "new" increases you're alluding to are simply because they were ALL missed when those people were children.

I'm sure this is concept well beyond your comprehension levels, but a 5th grader could seriously understand it.
 
Uh, no

The "under-diagnosis" spans >7 decades.

Your "700% increase" is due to increased attention and changes in medical definitions. Nearly ALL of the undiagnosed are now >20 yrs old, which demonstrates the "new" increases you're alluding to are simply because they were ALL missed when those people were children.

I'm sure this is concept well beyond your comprehension levels, but a 5th grader could seriously understand it.
Lmao!

First you said it (autism causation) was doctors becoming more aware and improving diagnosing skills, then it was caused by viral infections, then microplastics and now we've come full circle - back to better diagnostics.

It's the countless toxic injections you ignorant 🤡
 
Lmao!

First you said it (autism causation) was doctors becoming more aware and improving diagnosing skills, then it was caused by viral infections, then microplastics

WTAF are you blabbering about now?

Autism is CAUSED by viral and bacterial infections. That link is now well established.

Autism DIAGNOSIS has changed over the past 30 years, and when a UK group went and looked at their data, they found that by applying the TODAY STANDARDS, there are over a million UNDIAGNOSED cases from years ago.

Can't make things much more clearly for you than that. And convoluting "new diagnosis standards" with actual "causes" is par for the course for you here - you're completely incapable of differentiating that simple simple concept.
 
We need a lot more vaccine skepticism. 🤷‍♂️

Many doctors still spoke out against the vaccine, with many providing robust data to support their objections (e.g., large cohorts showed the vaccine did not prevent smallpox and erysipelas, an agonizing and sometimes fatal skin infection, was commonly observed in vaccinated individuals). Sadly, these dissident doctors became a smaller and smaller minority and reports exist from the time of doctors in the early hospitals falsifying medical records in order to conceal the vaccine’s dangers and its ineffectiveness in preventing smallpox.

However, the largest problems with the smallpox vaccine was that vaccination tended to increase rather than decrease the occurrence of smallpox.




Note: many other examples of increasing vaccination increasing smallpox outbreaks can be found here in the original article.

When this happened, governments tended to respond to that emergency by viewing it as a result of not enough people being vaccinated and doing what they could to increase vaccination rates. Since the working class was well aware of both the dangers of the smallpox vaccine and its ineffectiveness, harsher and harsher mandates needed to be implemented to continue meeting the vaccination quotas.

As things continued to escalate, assaults on officers enforcing vaccination occurred, and riots periodically broke out. This 1874 quote from Emeritus Professor F. W. Newman encapsulates the mood of the time:

“Decorous and admissible language fails me, in alluding to that which might have seemed incredible thirty years ago—the commanding of vaccination on a second child of a family, when vaccination has killed the first; and then sending the father to prison for refusal.”
Note: to address the widespread failures of their vaccine, the medical profession moved their goal-posts from the vaccine providing a lifelong “perfect” immunity to simply ensuring a “milder disease,” a playbook that persists to this day and (e.g., it was used for the COVID-19 vaccines).
 
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We need a lot more vaccine skepticism. 🤷‍♂️

Many doctors still spoke out against the vaccine

"Many doctors"

That's your propaganda bois on X, buddy.

Amazeballs that you need to dig up garbage from 100 years ago to try and make your point, when the science of vaccinations has advanced so much since then. Hell, we didn't even know what most microbes were back then....
 
... so this is good.

Thanks for telling us the good news about the skeptic, OP.
Exactly. Wouldn't you want the most skeptical personnel performing the investigating - for anything? If the thing being investigated comes out clean after objective and critical investigation, that increases the chances of that thing actually being clean.

Contrast that with someone who worships the thing being investigated.
 
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"Many doctors"

That's your propaganda bois on X, buddy.
In other words, there is significant dissention among the scientific and medical community. There are countless numbers of the most brilliant doctors and scientists in the world that do not agree with you, and these are only the ones brave enough to make their opinion known. Sorry but that's reality. Despite your thinking everyone who doesn't agree with you is a Cletus.
 
Ffs! Have you ever read a study before?

The objectives of this study were 2-fold. First, we investigated if children after receiving an ASD diagnosis obtain all of their remaining scheduled vaccines according to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)31 recommendations. Second, we assessed whether younger siblings of children with ASD receive all recommended vaccines on time compared with younger siblings of children without ASD.

Shocking! Parents whose kids get autism stop vaccinating them AND their younger siblings...most likely because they've seen what damage vaccines are capable of doing.
Looks like we're still on track at least for the most part. I was starting to wonder what was going on after that CDC Director pick. Maybe you've already talked about it, but what's your take on that pick?
 
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