If she were were Pinocchio, her nose would stretch to the west coast.
Vance Insults Europe: We ‘Survived’ Greta Thunburg, You Can Deal With Elon Musk
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It may be too far fetched to consider at the moment, but if the day comes where we pull back our bases in Europe do we just hope or assume that our allies take over our military installations 100% - or is it within the realm of possibilities that Europe is overrun by unfriendly forces who would LOVE to just walk in to a Ramstein and set up shop?
Hopefully they'd be useful to friendlies but an Afghanistan 2.0 situation may be possible in the long run unfortunately.
When was Greta Thunburg allowed to access the US government's Treasury, nuclear, military and oversight functions?
W/o anyone in the Exec branch batting an eye at her?
I guess he means private investment in green energy, because European government has spent enormous amounts for green energy to raise their energy prices and make their manufacturing sector less globally competitive.
Importing an alien culture that murders them for free speech.
Europe does not accept "Hate Speech"
That's a problem for JD, Elno and - apparently - you.
That doesn't make sense. What do you mean? They've taken the climate crisis more seriously than we have. But that's a good thing.
Like I said, I'm not sure what he means that Europe hasn't invested in green energy, it has tremendously, and it's seen tremendous price increases.
Combined with the war in Ukraine it's been a nut punch for the German economy:
Seriously…dementia in action folks.
Good grief.
Defending the right to speak does not require agreeing to the content of speech. Moreover, part of free speech is the right to criticize and reject views that have been expressed.
These new wingnutty free speech warriors show little comprehension of free speech.
Price increases are due to a major conflict in the area, limiting natural gas use/sources, Cletus.
Kinda has a braindead jo being led around like a puppet vibe, doesn't it?
Good grief.
Do you realize they’re arresting people for sharing politically disfavored opinions online?
https://www.standingforfreedom.com/...now-jailing-people-for-social-media-comments/
Numerous arrests have been made of people who did nothing but post their feelings or opinions on social media.
For example, a 55-year-old woman was arrested for a social media post she shared that claimed the suspect was “was an asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year and was on an MI6 watch list.”
“If this is true,” she stated, “then all hell is about to break loose.”
Dimitrie Stoica was arrested for making a TikTok video in which he pretended that right-wing rioters were chasing him. Though he claimed the video was a joke, Assistant Chief Constable Michelle Shooter stated,
Several more arrests for written content have since been made. Prime Minister Keir Starmer said,
Director of Public Prosecutions Stephen Parkinson stated, “We do have dedicated police officers who are scouring social media, their job is to look for this material, and then follow up with identification, arrests, and so forth,” adding that although people may not think they are doing anything wrong, “they are and the consequences will be visited upon them.”
London Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley stated that the arrests won’t be confined to British citizens, warning that the government would extradite citizens of other countries. “We will throw the full force of the law at people,” he said. “And whether you’re in this country committing crimes on the streets or committing crimes from further afield online, we will come after you.”
What do you think about the court in Romania abrogating the power to dismiss presidential election results (the first round, not even the final result!), not based on any allegation of fraud or miscount, but because it thinks the people were ill informed in making their decision?
We’re not there to protect them. We’re there to protect us. It’s a deterrent.
Of course. And in the process the Europeans get a free ride.
We have a very large umbrella and we allow others to get under it with us. I don’t mind but at some point our friends need to get their own.
How would you feel about German bases in the US.
We have a huge hospital in Germany. It’s where we airlift American military and families for medical care.
There are military philosophies that change with time, according to world affairs.
Sadly Trump, Vance, and Hegseth have zero underlying in how things work.
If we had not defeated Germany in WWII there’s no doubt we would have their bases here. Same with Japan. And our lives would certainly not be as fortunate as the Germans and Japanese today.
80 year old decisions and situations by world leaders at the end of the War have given us our current situation. I absolutely support the idea of our military presence but I also see nothing wrong with tweaking assets, needs, and expectations as they evolve. I would expect that’s happened over time, certainly since ‘89.
Since I mentioned Ramstein in an earlier post I think it illustrates my awareness of our bases in Germany.
We have some very good friends (now retired and living in Tally) who were school teachers for the base children/dependents there. I have two uncles who were stationed there.
80 year old decisions and situations by world leaders at the end of the War have given us our current situation. I absolutely support the idea of our military presence but I also see nothing wrong with tweaking assets, needs, and expectations as they evolve. I would expect that’s happened over time, certainly since ‘89.
Since I mentioned Ramstein in an earlier post I think it illustrates my awareness of our bases in Germany.
We have some very good friends (now retired and living in Tally) who were school teachers for the base children/dependents there. I have two uncles who were stationed there.
Nazi chatter and targeting people is now "disfavored opinions"?
And hate speech is anything the left doesn't agree with. Oh, unless you are Muslim than nothing you say or do can be questioned.
Are they using them to attack other places?
If it was just the German tax money be flooded into our community from German soldier paychecks, that’s a benefit to us and loss to them, but what does the Status of Forces Agreement look like? If a German soldier rapes an American, does he face justice here?
You missed my point.
I was asking how would you feel if foreign powers had military bases in the US.
I am well aware of how things work.
that’s the way it works in some countries, particularly Japan. One has to abide by the laws of the land. Only the diplomats frequently escape.
Vance is just another brain dead idiot, like his boss CRAZY Filthy Don.
You say that as though you want us to think there's a correlation between investing in green energy and inflation. Or maybe rising energy prices.
Either way, I see no evidence of that.
Most of Europe is fossil energy poor. It's the cutoff of Russian supplies and the war profiteering by the US and others that have driven up energy prices. Not their efforts to go green.
I’m going to disagree with you - and I’m no Vance fan.
He is very smart. The problem with MAGA is that the book-smart cadre of the party have completely dumbed down their message to appeal to the mouth breathers (white nationalists, former Tea Party members, the anti-Obama’s, the Evangelicals, and the truly dumb…which, let’s face it..is observed here every day) to build a populist party. It’s been the biggest surrender of the former GOP. Zero principles anymore.
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Again, how is that a lefty problem?
I'd call it a neocon problem long before I'd call it a lefty problem. It's not the lefties who are starting wars, exploiting underprivileged workers, and destroying the environment - thereby creating refugee problems in the millions.
If you want to blame the lefties for showing humanitarian generosity toward those in need, go right ahead. No doubt good Christians were also involved.
We'll plead guilty to being decent human beings. But where does that leave you and your ilk?
Lefty immigration and policing policy led to this specific problem 100%.
No, I got your point, and I said ‘it depends’, but wrote it like this:
Are they using them to attack other places?
If it was just the German tax money be flooded into our community from German soldier paychecks, that’s a benefit to us and loss to them, but what does the Status of Forces Agreement look like? If a German soldier rapes an American, does he face justice here?
So play along and I’ll tell you exactly how that situation would make me feel.
I’m trying to clarify it, not hide from it.
How would this scenario of foreign military bases make you feel:
I watched the whole speech. It was cringeworthy. He didn't mention Putin once. He didn't advocate for defending Ukraine and Europe from Russian aggression. He instead lambasted political correctness.
Very sad. Yikes.
Very sad. Yikes.
Vance is smart. Joni Ernst is smart. Lindsey Graham is smart. A lot of them are smart. They all sold out for access to power.
Always a good look to go white knight for Russia.
