Vanderbilt Has Set a Precendent...

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

-Play a tough schedule and lose most of them
-Beat the same decent team three times
-Go four games above .500

Safely get in the NCAA tournament

 

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

Same as Michigan State. Bogus on both of them.

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

It's not who you beat, it's who you play

 

[HawkNole09]

It's not who you beat, it's who you play

Got to have some quality losses on the resume

 

[bagdropper]

If the mid majors were better this year, they both would have been sweating it out big time.

They were some of the recipients of that good fortune. Iowa wouldn't have been nearly as close as it was.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

Also just don't play any plus RPI 250 plus teams. Minnesota played nobody good but had a 4th ranked RPI going into the B10 season. Play a bunch of 100-200 teams.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

So there's two ways of doing it like Vandy did or MInnesota.Also Instead of playing plus 250 RPI if you gotta replace them with a D2.

 

[IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life]

So there's two ways of doing it like Vandy did or MInnesota.Also Instead of playing plus 250 RPI if you gotta replace them with a D2.

D2 doesn't impact your RPI or count on your record for the NCAA tournament. So in theory you could lose and it wouldn't impact you.

 

[General Tso]

Or don't lose to two different teams from Nebraska...

 

[And1Hawk]

Or don't lose to two different teams from Nebraska...

Which is worse? Losing to Omaha or losing to 7 win Missouri by 20+ and Middle Tenn St by 20+ as part of 15 losses?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Which is worse? Losing to Omaha or losing to 7 win Missouri by 20+ and Middle Tenn St by 20+ as part of 15 losses?

The RPI is so skewed its not even funny. If you throw that out and look at the "WHOLE" resumes side by side its shocking how some of these teams got at large bids. There are holes/bad in everyone resume including Iowas. I just can't believe that Vandy lost all those games and basically they beat Florida to get into the NCAA. Didn't beat anyone else, but the RPI loved the SEC (cause of Florida & Kentucky).

The committee has to change it for next year. Look who people beat and not played. Also put more emphasis on losses outside of the top 100. My god K-State got woodsheded by Oklahoma by 30. That's a RPI 170+ team. If you only beat teams w/in your conference it shouldn't of count as much. I realize that would take 4 of Iowa's 5 wins away.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Also just don't play any plus RPI 250 plus teams. Minnesota played nobody good but had a 4th ranked RPI going into the B10 season. Play a bunch of 100-200 teams.

It has been the same story for several years now. Playing the bottom of the barrel in D-1 is a bad move when it comes to NCAA tourney selection.
I don't know what the criteria will look like next year, but they knew that was going to be important this year and yet they still had delaware state, stetson, kennesaw, savannah state, and ut rio grande on their schedule. All trash.

If the selection committee criteria are still heavily weighted to RPI for next season then they absolutely can't have more of these bottom feeders on the schedule.

 

[And1Hawk]

The RPI is so skewed its not even funny. If you throw that out and look at the "WHOLE" resumes side by side its shocking how some of these teams got at large bids. There are holes/bad in everyone resume including Iowas. I just can't believe that Vandy lost all those games and basically they beat Florida to get into the NCAA. Didn't beat anyone else, but the RPI loved the SEC (cause of Florida & Kentucky).

The committee has to change it for next year. Look who people beat and not played. Also put more emphasis on losses outside of the top 100. My god K-State got woodsheded by Oklahoma by 30. That's a RPI 170+ team. If you only beat teams w/in your conference it shouldn't of count as much. I realize that would take 4 of Iowa's 5 wins away.

I also think you have to put a much larger emphasis on game control type stats. There's a big difference between losing by 1 in a game you lead half the time or more vs losing by 20 that you were never in. If the opponent is the same both losses count the same in RPI.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I also think you have to put a much larger emphasis on game control type stats. There's a big difference between losing by 1 in a game you lead half the time or more vs losing by 20 that you were never in. If the opponent is the same both losses count the same in RPI.

How you win type of thing? If we win by 20+ weight it more than if you won by 1pt?

I could see that causing some issues (some DB coach will run up the score when its not needed). But I agree that it should be looked at. Also I think they have to place more emphasis on conference wins H/A. The non-conf is nice, but you can't put the same amount of importance on a game played in November vs a game played in March. Don't put so much weight on a win in November.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

Makes me think we should play Illinois state in the QC or something in addition to the Pentagon game.

 

[stillh8unlv]

'Game Control' is a sketchy metric if you ask me, Iowa getting killed by Indiana really doesn't reflect on Iowa's ability.

Indiana shot lights out and people that usually make shots for Iowa (Baer, Jok) didn't. You can't read too much into the 22 pt difference.

 

[And1Hawk]

How you win type of thing? If we win by 20+ weight it more than if you won by 1pt?

I could see that causing some issues (some DB coach will run up the score when its not needed). But I agree that it should be looked at. Also I think they have to place more emphasis on conference wins H/A. The non-conf is nice, but you can't put the same amount of importance on a game played in November vs a game played in March. Don't put so much weight on a win in November.

One aspect that might be considered is going to quarters and using quarters won/lost as a metric in evaluating tourney invites and seeding. You could have stats not only on total quarters won but quarters won against the top 50, 100, etc. That would be an indicator of game control too.

You would have to have a 4th quarter blow out rule to permit for extra subbing. If you are up 15+ or more with 5 minutes to go you get a half quarter win automatically or something to allow coaches to empty the bench without penalty.

 

[General Tso]

Which is worse? Losing to Omaha or losing to 7 win Missouri by 20+ and Middle Tenn St by 20+ as part of 15 losses?

Doesn't matter what I think. I wasn't in the selection room.

 

[FairfIowafan1984]

It has been the same story for several years now. Playing the bottom of the barrel in D-1 is a bad move when it comes to NCAA tourney selection.
I don't know what the criteria will look like next year, but they knew that was going to be important this year and yet they still had delaware state, stetson, kennesaw, savannah state, and ut rio grande on their schedule. All trash.

If the selection committee criteria are still heavily weighted to RPI for next season then they absolutely can't have more of these bottom feeders on the schedule.

They will have an RPI next year but it's getting fixed heard kenpom and 5 other guys that do their ranking systems are fixing it because it's so outdated and teams have figured out how to beat the system. They need to not have plus RPI 250 games kill your RPI as much as it does IMO. Also acouple other things I'd fix but to much typing and explaining.

 

[slipHawk]

Ah, can't be bitter this year. We just blew chunks too many games.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

We simply have to schedule better. I don't understand why we continue to play high 200 and low 300 teams. Killed us getting in this year. Killed us a few years ago.

 

[General Tso]

Much like the b1g tournament, early easy tourneys have been a sore sport as well. I think we're some thing like 1-5 threats two years in early season tourneys.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I know a lot of fans are disappointed Iowa didn't get to the NCAA tournament but this isn't the year to be bitter about it. Nobody expected them to be that close and as many have pointed out the only reason they were as close as they were was because of the extremely weak bubble. Let's just try to enjoy the NIT and hopefully the boys can win it all. They should be in a better position next season.

 

[Ronman]

IMHO the schedule wasn't the issue at all. The problem was that we were trying to integrate an almost entirely different lineup, mostly composed of freshmen and it took them awhile to gel. It also didn't help that Cook, arguably the best of our new bigs, broke his finger and missed seven games including the Omaha fiasco. If we win a couple more preconference games, our postseason destination would be different.

It also didn't help that all the supposed experts pissed on the Big Ten, men and women, this year. Hopefully a few of us will shine in the postseason.

 

[megahawk]

This has probably been talked about elsewhere, but I'm assuming if we didn't get screwed out of the Minnesota game and actually won that game, Iowa would have been in the tournament.

 

[megahawk]

Makes me think we should play Illinois state in the QC or something in addition to the Pentagon game.

I like that idea of playing Illinois State at the Mark in Moline, but I doubt Iowa would do that and give up a home date.

 

[L. Wade Childress]

I like that idea of playing Illinois State at the Mark in Moline, but I doubt Iowa would do that and give up a home date.

They are doing it next year, so they seem to be open to it