Vox: Don’t believe the Democratic Party is in crisis? Then read this tweet.

[YellowSnow51]

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/4/9669918/democrats-elections-crisis


Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.

 

[TexMichFan]

You must be one of those working people. This was already posted earlier.

 

[hawkland14]

You must be one of those working people. This was already posted earlier.

But but but all I hear from liberal pundits and our local liberal heroes like Fred, wwjd, Huey and natural that the Republican Party is dying. Sometimes the facts get in the way of the liberal argument.

 

[IMCC965]

You must be one of those working people. This was already posted earlier.

It bears repeating many many times.

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

Proof the number of low information voters is at an all time high.

 

[TexMichFan]

Proof the number of low information voters as at an all time high.

This is what I like to hear from liberals. Keep pushing that line it is a winner.

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

This is what I like to hear from liberals. Keep pushing that line it is a winner.

Well it is mentioned in the link
http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2015/11/4/9665842/republican-inequality-future-loop

 

[TexMichFan]

Well it is mentioned in the link
http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2015/11/4/9665842/republican-inequality-future-loop

You are correct. I went and looked at the authors and could see no other way for them to come to any other conclusion.

 

[naturalmwa]

But but but all I hear from liberal pundits and our local liberal heroes like Fred, wwjd, Huey and natural that the Republican Party is dying. Sometimes the facts get in the way of the liberal argument.

I just poke fun at them. I don't think they're going anywhere.

 

[Kenneth Griffin]

You are correct. I went and looked at the authors and could see no other way for them to come to any other conclusion.

Concession accepted.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

All this proves is that the GOP has done wonderfully stoking fear of the Afriken mooslim negro amongst their mouth-breathing voters.

 

[naturalmwa]

All this proves is that the GOP has done wonderfully stoking fear of the Afriken mooslim negro amongst their mouth-breathing voters.

And managed to convince a bunch of others all polititions are the same and their votes don't matter so they should stay home. Mandatory voting would solve a lot of issues.

 

[The Tradition]

And managed to convince a bunch of others all polititions are the same and their votes don't matter so they should stay home. Mandatory voting would solve a lot of issues.

If we had mandatory voting, Kim Kardashian would be your next president.

 

[naturalmwa]

If we had mandatory voting, Kim Kardashian would be your next president.

You've used that line before. But honestly how is Trump any different?

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

All this proves is that the GOP has done wonderfully stoking fear of the Afriken mooslim negro amongst their mouth-breathing voters.

I think it proves that the cycle continues to go on and on. The government has failed the people once again, and now the people have shifted to the other side of the aisle in order to find answers.
This goes on and on, but due to associations and short memories, a good number of voters seem to forget that. I'm not sure why you said what you said about our fellow black Americans. If what you believe is true, then they were already acting like this.
Knowing that fact and going by your thoughts, how exactly would you explain how that affects the voting cycle? If there is one thing I have found troublesome about the Democratic base is that they resort to using race as a leverage tool whenever they fell they can fit it into the conversation.
Perhaps we should use more effective arguments when discussing issues that matter. This type of statement does nothing but cause conflict at the expense of focusing on the real conflicts.

 

[BABiscuit]

I'm sure those positions were way overloaded to the dem side after 8 years of Bush. How do the numbers compare to the same time into Clinton's last term?

 

[joelbc1]

But but but all I hear from liberal pundits and our local liberal heroes like Fred, wwjd, Huey and natural that the Republican Party is dying. Sometimes the facts get in the way of the liberal argument.

The GOP isn't dying....it is just severely dysfunctional. The Dems are weaker because they have no real organized opposition. The GOP is weaker because they have no idea of who they are.
When both Parties suck, we all lose. Guys....we are losing.

 

[swagsurfer02]

The GOP isn't dying....it is just severely dysfunctional. The Dems are weaker because they have no real organized opposition. The GOP is weaker because they have no idea of who they are.
When both Parties suck, we all lose. Guys....we are losing.

So........ why do I feel like a winner tho?

 

[joelbc1]

So........ why do I feel like a winner tho?

'Cause maybe you are a sick bastard?

 

[swagsurfer02]

'Cause maybe you are a sick bastard?

Well, there's no denying that.

 

[naturalmwa]

I like the part where it says smart people are political and partisan. Now we can all feel smug on both sides.

 

[isufan21]

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/4/9669918/democrats-elections-crisis


Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.

The funny thing to be is that the Democrats still believe they have a mandate from American and refuse to budge on pretty much anything.

 

[TexMichFan]

You've used that line before. But honestly how is Trump any different?

The hair.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

All this proves is that the GOP has done wonderfully stoking fear of the Afriken mooslim negro amongst their mouth-breathing voters.

really? I did not know he was running for governor of Kentucky. it might be a good place for him to hang his hat after he vacates the white house and we throw a party.

 

[The Tradition]

You've used that line before. But honestly how is Trump any different?

Well, let's see.... Kim is famous for a sex video, a vapid personality, and ongoing attempts to "break the internet" by posing pictures of her ass.

Trump is also a famous reality TV star, but he's also a successful businessman and an employer of thousands of Americans.

 

[naturalmwa]

The funny thing to be is that the Democrats still believe they have a mandate from American and refuse to budge on pretty much anything.

Irony?

 

[naturalmwa]

Well, let's see.... Kim is famous for a sex video, a vapid personality, and ongoing attempts to "break the internet" by posing pictures of her ass.

Trump is also a famous reality TV star, but he's also a successful businessman and an employer of thousands of Americans.

Kim is pretty successful at business. I think they're more a like than you realize.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

And managed to convince a bunch of others all polititions are the same and their votes don't matter so they should stay home. Mandatory voting would solve a lot of issues.

I've seen very little to support anything you have said here. If mandatory voting were to be enacted, would mandatory firings due to low approval ratings come along with that? How would you feel about mandatory salary reductions in the case they didn't perform well? I would have to believe that if we are forced to vote, they should be forced to also allow equal sharing time as well as equal coverage to ALL candidates.
How would you feel about that?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

it's Nazi like mandatory voting, sort of like mandatory aca participation

 

[naturalmwa]

I've seen very little to support anything you have said here. If mandatory voting were to be enacted, would mandatory firings due to low approval ratings come along with that? How would you feel about mandatory salary reductions in the case they didn't perform well? I would have to believe that if we are forced to vote, they should be forced to also allow equal sharing time as well as equal coverage to ALL candidates.
How would you feel about that?

If we're only allowed to say popular things, we're both going to be pretty quiet. It would work just like it does in Australia. Your random objections are not relevant to this issue. If that's the best you got, you pose no threat to my argument.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

in Australia they went door to door and grabbed up all the guns

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

If we're only allowed to say popular things, we're both going to be pretty quiet. It would work just like it does in Australia. Your random objections are not relevant to this issue. If that's the best you got, you pose no threat to my argument.

I'm disappointed you didn't go with my questions. Do you not think that if forced participation is implemented, that at the very least government could guarantee that we have as many options as possible.

 

[artradley]

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/4/9669918/democrats-elections-crisis


Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.

The leading candidates for the GOP Presidential nomination are a raving lunatic and a guy who calmly believes the earth is 6,000 years old. The most profitable television shows put cameras into the homes of highly-volatile non-celebrities for the soul purpose of letting viewers watch them argue with each other. And more people are voting for GOP leaders who promise to make sure that the gays can't marry each other. Is there a failure within the Democratic Party, or is there a failure within our society?

 

[naturalmwa]

I'm disappointed you didn't go with my questions. Do you not think that if forced participation is implemented, that at the very least government could guarantee that we have as many options as possible.

I'm sure you could get any laws you like passed. But none of the things you mention are linked to mandatory voting. Ranked preferential voting is also part of the Australian system along with gerrymandering control. Add those with public campaign financing and you have the makings of a fine democracy with the people back in control.

 

[cigaretteman]

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/4/9669918/democrats-elections-crisis


Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats. That's some legacy.

Hmmm. Must have been in the wingnut talking points email today:

http://iowa.forums.rivals.com/threads/democratic-party.53888/#post-1144487

I guess Yellow's finally giving up his pretense of being bipartisan in his berating of the parties.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

All this proves is that the GOP has done wonderfully stoking fear of the Afriken mooslim negro amongst their mouth-breathing voters.

Honestly, this is just because the people are tired of the dems and their BS, just like they were tired of the reps and their BS before they voted for the dems.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

I'm sure you could get any laws you like passed. But none of the things you mention are linked to mandatory voting. Ranked preferential voting is also part of the Australian system along with gerrymandering control. Add those with public campaign financing and you have the makings of a fine democracy with the people back in control.

Of course they are not linked to mandatory voting, as we have no mandatory system laid out here. Gerrymandering control is something I could get into, and ranked preferential is also something I could get into.
What I said does have everything to do with what we are speaking, because the populace has a voice also. I would love to see incentive measures pushed to the candidates that are controlled by the people. Why would you have a problem with that?

 

[naturalmwa]

Of course they are not linked to mandatory voting, as we have no mandatory system laid out here. Gerrymandering control is something I could get into, and ranked preferential is also something I could get into.
What I said does have everything to do with what we are speaking, because the populace has a voice also. I would love to see incentive measures pushed to the candidates that are controlled by the people. Why would you have a problem with that?

I'm not sure I do, I'm just rejecting them as germane to my proposal and resisting your attempts to broaden and hence distract the conversation and conflate the issues.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

Honestly, this is just because the people are tired of the dems and their BS, just like they were tired of the reps and their BS before they voted for the dems.

Which is exactly why I was so confused to his answer which immediately stirred another pot and laid unfair criticism to millions of people. I'm not sure why people are so stubborn in understanding why there are people who have lost faith in the parties. It's almost as if they believe that any other way is inefficacious, when they in fact have never even tried to do something different.
It's a peculiar thing to see people argue for what has failed and caused the citizens harm time and time again. If they need a system than that is their need, but you would think that they would want a system that isn't set against them.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

I'm not sure I do, I'm just rejecting them as germane to my proposal and resisting your attempts to broaden and hence distract the conversation and conflate the issues.

So who then would account for the mandatory voting? How is that regulated and controlled? What are the penalties for this problem solving system you would wish to have. Is it as easy as just making it mandatory? Surely there would have to be a system of accountability.