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Wasting all the CC momentum

A lot of scrutiny headed JJ way. I thought she would be much more effective and innovative than she is. Looks a little overwhelmed out there.
Nothing that a little better defense and better FT shooting can’t cure.
You got to make your free throws especially on the road. Ask Kansas.
There are a couple of players that are “role players” and not starters…January was going to be a tough month for these gals back in November. Let’s see what happen in February.
 
WNIT isn't going to retain fans. I've been preaching patience: "They'll improve as the year progresses."
Don't see it happening at this point. We had this game won and just no ability to finish it off; we've just about lost every way possible.
Such a bummer.
Iowa blew it at Nebby last season, with #22. And they pissed that game away in the 4th quarter if memory serves me. A senior laden team, too.
 
When Beth was named permanent AD, lets face it, we had 4 head coaches getting up there in age where Beth would likely be the one to name their successor.

Coach when
Beth hired
.....................Successor
Lisa Bluder....................Jan Jensen
Kirk Ferentz..................To be determined
Fran McCaffery...........To be determined
Tom Brands...................To be determined

Most thought Jan was the right choice. Was she?
I always had my reservations, mainly because I never thought she truly wanted to be HC, especially taking over this circus post-Clark.

In football, great coordinators don't always make great head coaches. It's just a different animal when you have to see more of the game and manage the game differently than when you were just focused one or a few specific aspects of your sport..........
 
I always had my reservations, mainly because I never thought she truly wanted to be HC, especially taking over this circus post-Clark.

In football, great coordinators don't always make great head coaches. It's just a different animal when you have to see more of the game and manage the game differently than when you were just focused one or a few specific aspects of your sport..........
I believe UIowa will be five with JJ as coach. She has to get some players in the program and isn’t the cavalry on the way?
 
I believe UIowa will be five with JJ as coach. She has to get some players in the program and isn’t the cavalry on the way?

No positivity Joel. I thought Jan was & is the right coach, but I’d give anything right now to have a Jennie B here and see how she got treated in losses. Actually I wish Lisa was here. That fallout would be even better. I mean honestly go drag up last year’s game threads. Everyone acted the same way then.

Pretty much right up until the end of the season people were complaining about giving away the conference championship, Lisa should’ve got in the portal and got a big, Gabby Marshall shouldn’t be playing… I mean, honestly it’s all about perspective.

It will never change, a certain group of fans, many of the which are in this thread won’t be happy unless every game is won. No coach will do that. If Geno doesn’t win it all this year @ UCONN and I don’t think he will in my opinion. Notre Dame is the best team in the country followed by UCLA and South Carolina, his fans will be talking about how the game has passed him by how he doesn’t know how to coach anymore…

Jan has a hell of task on her hands. Fans are fickle and not reasonable or compassionate. Momentum is currently not on her side and everything she does is questioned. At this point in time if she gets this team to the tournament based on everything, I read on this message board it will have been a herculean effort.

Winning is all that matters. If they were to rip off 10 games in a row, which is fairly unlikely, everyone will be back complaining when they lose the 11th game.

And the most interesting thing is, it pisses people off to be told, they are like this and then they go out and prove it.

We are snake bit & missed FTs is right at the top of the list. But even so, had Guyton made that layup, it’s a different story.

Perspective, most don’t have it
 
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I just hope recruits like Addie Deal don't start rethinking their decision to commit to Iowa.
If they do then I seriously think Iowa should consider making a move. I know they won't, Iowa will wait until all momentum of the runner-up finishes is lost. They should though if that starts happening in addition to the losing.
 
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No positivity Joel. I thought Jan was & is the right coach, but I’d give anything right now to have a Jennie B here and see how she got treated in losses. Actually I wish Lisa was here. That fallout would be even better. I mean honestly go drag up last year’s game threads. Everyone acted the same way then.

Pretty much right up until the end of the season people were complaining about giving away the conference championship, Lisa should’ve got in the portal and got a big, Gabby Marshall shouldn’t be playing… I mean, honestly it’s all about perspective.

It will never change, a certain group of fans, many of the which are in this thread won’t be happy unless every game is won. No coach will do that. If Geno doesn’t win it all this year @ UCONN and I don’t think he will in my opinion. Notre Dame is the best team in the country followed by UCLA and South Carolina, his fans will be talking about how the game has passed him by how he doesn’t know how to coach anymore…

Jan has a hell of task on her hands. Fans are fickle and not reasonable or compassionate. Momentum is currently not on her side and everything she does is questioned. At this point in time if she gets this team to the tournament based on everything, I read on this message board it will have been a herculean effort.

Winning is all that matters. If they were to rip off 10 games in a row, which is fairly unlikely, everyone will be back complaining when they lose the 11th game.

And the most interesting thing is, it pisses people off to be told, they are like this and then they go out and prove it.

We are snake bit & missed FTs is right at the top of the list. But even so, had Guyton made that layup, it’s a different story.

Perspective, most don’t have it
I'd bet good money that Jennie or Lisa wouldn't be 2-5 in conference currently. I think they'd at least gotten 2/3 from MSU, Indiana, and Nebraska.
 
I would not walk across the street to watch this s*** show let alone pay for it right now. No fundamentals can't shoot free throws, no intensity, coaching is questionable to bad, and BBall IQ is a minus team wide. Pathetic at this point.
I watched a different game. I thought they played with pretty good intensity overall. They were late to react to the early 3 point onslaught. They played fast for the first time in awhile and Guyton shined bright. She held her own against Nebraska's stud freshman. O'Grady also found a good role last night. Also, we didn't throw a dozen lob pass turnovers either. I think it was a really good game out of this young team and most would look at it differently had they not choked on free throws.
 
Pretty tough to keep the momentum going after the once in a lifetime player is gone.
Other schools do. That's what makes them perennial powers--South Carolina, LSU, UConn--they don't rebuild, they reload. With CC's unprecedented run, how did Iowa fail to take full advantage so it could join programs like those mentioned? That opportunity is unlikely to come again, and now it's all but gone.
 
what was the number of missed free throws in the last quarter?

isn't that something that should be second nature?

and are they practiced every day?
Biggest issue I had was Iowa having all those fouls to give and not using them in the closing seconds of regulation. Likely could have killed enough time off the clock where Nebraska would have been forced into a desperation shot at buzzer.
 
All will be great when Deal and her class get here. Deal will be Clark-like and all will fall into place. Deal will do to iowa what Prince did for Nebraska last night- score and facilitate. These freshman will be battle tested and ready for her
 
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Nothing that a little better defense and better FT shooting can’t cure.
You got to make your free throws especially on the road. Ask Kansas.
There are a couple of players that are “role players” and not starters…January was going to be a tough month for these gals back in November. Let’s see what happen in February.
The game was on the road?

do coaches have an impact on defense or FT shooting practice?
 
good question and at this point debatable, but it is still first year.
It may be her first year as the head coach, but she's been a lifelong coach and the lack of fundamentals, team cohesion, etc have nothing to do with the fact this is her first year as the head coach. It was a terrible decision to not do a national search, given how popular our brand had gotten. Now we're stuck with a coach that obviously should have stayed an assistant because it's become pretty obvious she isn't cut out for the top spot.
 
Kirk has said it forever, and it's true. You are as good as your record. Right now, they are 2-5 in the Big Ten. 11 games to go, thus they need to go 7-4 to climb back to .500, 19-10 overall, pre-BTT.

If they keep playing the way they have the last 2 weeks, they won't come close to getting to 9-9 in the Big Ten. They have to play at Ohio State, and home against UCLA and USC, which realistically means they'll have to go 7-1 in the other 8 games. Tall order. We'll see.

Regarding Addie Deal, if I'm her I can't wait to get to Iowa, because I know I'm going to play a lot of minutes.
 
All will be great when Deal and her class get here. Deal will be Clark-like and all will fall into place. Deal will do to iowa what Prince did for Nebraska last night- score and facilitate. These freshman will be battle tested and ready for her
It's not fair to Deal to say she will be "Clark-like", but I definitely feel that she will be a huge upgrade ultimately in the guard department.
 
Kirk has said it forever, and it's true. You are as good as your record. Right now, they are 2-5 in the Big Ten. 11 games to go, thus they need to go 7-4 to climb back to .500, 19-10 overall, pre-BTT.

If they keep playing the way they have the last 2 weeks, they won't come close to getting to 9-9 in the Big Ten. They have to play at Ohio State, and home against UCLA and USC, which realistically means they'll have to go 7-1 in the other 8 games. Tall order. We'll see.

Regarding Addie Deal, if I'm her I can't wait to get to Iowa, because I know I'm going to play a lot of minutes.
I don't see them going 7-1 in those other eight which include road games against Minnesota, Nebraska, and Oregon.
 
Other schools do. That's what makes them perennial powers--South Carolina, LSU, UConn--they don't rebuild, they reload. With CC's unprecedented run, how did Iowa fail to take full advantage so it could join programs like those mentioned? That opportunity is unlikely to come again, and now it's all but gone.
They also lost Kate and Gabbie, two important cogs in Iowa's success the prior two years. The remaining vets on this team are role players. Lucy started off great, but has dramatically cooled off. And the freshmen are learning. They just didn't have the really good, experienced players like the programs you mentioned to take over the reins this year. But I don't think it is all but gone. If Jan can keep the freshmen and the incoming class together, they can be quite good. The next 2 years will be pivotal for the long term success of the program. Will they plant a flag as a perennial power that top-flighted women will want to come to or be a program of peaks and valleys? They have a foundation to be very good, it's just not a very deep foundation, yet. As far as this season, this simply is more of a transition/rebuilding year than we anticipated. I think the reality of that is sinking/has sunk in.
 
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The game was on the road?

do coaches have an impact on defense or FT shooting practice?

Of course, we have already established when a team loses. It is 100% on the coach and it doesn’t matter if she has them practice free throws five hours a day or practice defense 10 hours a day if they lose, they are still a bad coach, right Mike.

I wish you were a coach locally I would love to sit in a stand and heckle your ass
 
Missed free throws cost the Hawks winning this game in regulation. Someone needed to stick on Britt Prince like glue on a postage stamp to deny her those 3 pt shots she was raining in.

Next year's squad will be a much better unit based on experience alone, if the players who have committed to the 2026 class stick with their pledge this is a team that will compete nationally for a title.
 
Players certainly do in FT shooting… coaches can control playing time and who plays when…based on player performance..
Growing up, the local college basketball team was mandated by tge coach to shoot FT underhanded… this would have been in the late 50’s and early to mid 60’s..those teams were really good FT teams…during that span there was only one player exempted from that team rule… The basketball coach had written his PhD theses on “underhand vs. overhand FT shooting”…. Ric Barry, one of the greatest FT shooters in the NBA ever, shot his FT underhanded, his entire college and professional careers.
 
I had no problems giving it to Jan, but I don’t think it’s working. She had a role and it wasn’t to be the boss. Lucy was a scorer in a very mediocre conference where they played one or two good teams. She acts like a junior high girl out there far too often. There’s enjoying the game and there’s having no intensity.
If the assistants aren’t telling JJ “hey we have fouls to give” at the end of regulation, she has bad assistants. Far too many things like that are happening this year. Yes the kids are looking g lost but that’s on her and the staff. She can’t make FTs for them but this season is on her and it’s bad right now.
People mustn't forget that Jenni Fitzgerald also retired. Bluder, Jensen and Fitzgerald were a 3-headed coaching team for 25? years. Perhaps Fitzgerald had much more to do with the success than anyone realized.
 
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Other schools do. That's what makes them perennial powers--South Carolina, LSU, UConn--they don't rebuild, they reload. With CC's unprecedented run, how did Iowa fail to take full advantage so it could join programs like those mentioned? That opportunity is unlikely to come again, and now it's all but gone.

Give me any, and I do mean “any” example of a team like Iowa in any sport on the strength of “one player” that catapulted to superstardom and became a blue blood like those other programs…

Just one?! I can’t think of 1 in my 54 years? The closest I can even come to thinking of somebody is the old Miami football programs in the early 80s and they sure as hell did it on the strength of more than one great player.

Then I’d like you to take a look at UCONN a team that has won about 100 national championships and yet with consistent top two or three recruiting classes and 10 five star girls on their roster at all times and about 212 girls in the WNBA, they have now not won a national championship in what 12 years, 14 years?

Maybe, just maybe it’s actually really damn hard to win games. But especially to take them to the next level.

So when the season started and everybody tempered their expectations and pretended like they were “OK“ that we weren’t going to be as good as we were with CC….They lied didn’t they?

Full disclosure this isn’t a Sports thing for me. It’s a human intelligence thing. It’s an ability to think outside the box thing, sn ability to be honest with yourself, to be self-aware, to look left right up down forward back and see reality.

In 2023 Iowa beat South Carolina, undefeated South Carolina that had three first round draft picks , 5 total, Inot counting Kamilla (1st rd following by year) and the girls that are still on the team that are going to be drafted soon…

I honestly don’t know what South Carolina’s fan said about the loss other than I know fans and undoubtably. I’m sure they whined and bitch that Dawn did a terrible job….

But for all intents snd purposes we never should’ve won that game. And yet we did, with several girls on that team still playing for us…. but most of our fans or rather, I should say most of our shitty fans think aren’t any good?
 
Yes….we have some alarming fans. I’ve seen her videos, she’s good, but they don’t look like CC.
Guys…. You will never see another #22 wearing an Iowa uniform again…jeeeewbus Christmas…she is a once in a lifetime basketballer! But then I imagine there are Indiana State fans out there predicting the next Larry Bird is out there shooting hoops in his back yard somewhere in southern Indiana, waiting for the Sycamores to give him a full ride.
 
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I just hope recruits like Addie Deal don't start rethinking their decision to commit to Iowa.

This is getting scary, as well as no other recruits giving the nod.

I'll tell you one thing. No practice should continue until every player makes 8 out of 10 consecutive FTs.

Why in the hell isn't she playing Ava? If you're going to give the season away at least do it bringing up new, promising players.
 
It's definitely concerning that Iowa could lose this golden opportunity to stack some classes in a way that truly starts something, but seeing some decisions and play on the court that more closely resembles what everyone hopes for is an encouraging sign.

It might be taking too long to come around to it, but there was an obvious move in the right direction last night. Some good lineups playing on the court, playing faster with better decisions away from the doomed post lob. Not surprised that playing Stuelke at the 5 was a big part of that.

Guyton played more, played very well, and she is only going to get better. A player on the rise, and a potential leader, AND Jensen absolutely recognizes all of that. That's a very good sign.

There was a stretch in the game that Stremlow notched multiples in almost every stat category. I don't recall the exact minutes, but it was instrumental in getting that big lead after being down the entire first half. Girl was everywhere. She's only going to get better.

At one point, with a ten point lead, Iowa made three stops in a row followed by three separate open 3pt. attempts. Unfortunately didn't hit any of them, but it was a legit chance to open a 15 point lead. Hit any of those and the free throws don't matter as much.

Recruits with confidence see that as well. They can see where they can make a difference. We all know the potential for the program. They do too.

Successful strategies are coming together. It would have been optimal to have all of this ironed out in December, but truly a tricky thing to coach and navigate the unique team situation presented after the two championship runs. And still tricky.

So everything sucks about losing, but some roles are being identified. Every roster change comes with growing pains, and balance issues, but playing everyone DOES help identify what you have. A lot of coaches would just leave players buried.

No real point here.
All the criticism is valid. I share in a lot of it because I'm a fan. It's tough to lose games the way Iowa has. Feel terrible for the players that have to navigate their mistakes on a big stage. Fans are passionate and criticism/praise is what being a fan is all about. And even if emotional, reactionary and grumpy right now, having watched my fair share of NCAAW basketball around the country, it's safe to say Iowa Women's Basketball has a LOT of fans. All is not lost in one transition season.
 
Iowa blew it at Nebby last season, with #22. And they pissed that game away in the 4th quarter if memory serves me. A senior laden team, too.
Clark was on her death bed and should not have even played in that game. Go back and watch the Full court Press documentary. Everyone involved confirmed she was sick as hell. That was the same bug that had Molly Davis MISS three entire games. Clark didn't practice much those two weeks but she took the floor every game, because she knew she had to.
 
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I am NOT saying JJ is anywhere close to Coach K, but K had people calling for his head into Year 2. Can't coach, doesn't know what he's doing, etc. Let's let the season play out.

The tricky thing is I don't think her bigs are good. Stuelke was basically given 6-8 ppg by the genius of CC. Hannah is not a shot creator or overly skilled player. CC made her look a lot better than she is. O'Grady is O'Grady. It's tricky having seniors that have had success and then mixing in a great group of frosh. The dynamics are dicey. I do think she needs to either bench some upperclassmen or do a better job of walking this tightrope of blending both groups.
 
It's definitely concerning that Iowa could lose this golden opportunity to stack some classes in a way that truly starts something, but seeing some decisions and play on the court that more closely resembles what everyone hopes for is an encouraging sign.

It might be taking too long to come around to it, but there was an obvious move in the right direction last night. Some good lineups playing on the court, playing faster with better decisions away from the doomed post lob. Not surprised that playing Stuelke at the 5 was a big part of that.

Guyton played more, played very well, and she is only going to get better. A player on the rise, and a potential leader, AND Jensen absolutely recognizes all of that. That's a very good sign.

There was a stretch in the game that Stremlow notched multiples in almost every stat category. I don't recall the exact minutes, but it was instrumental in getting that big lead after being down the entire first half. Girl was everywhere. She's only going to get better.

At one point, with a ten point lead, Iowa made three stops in a row followed by three separate open 3pt. attempts. Unfortunately didn't hit any of them, but it was a legit chance to open a 15 point lead. Hit any of those and the free throws don't matter as much.

Recruits with confidence see that as well. They can see where they can make a difference. We all know the potential for the program. They do too.

Successful strategies are coming together. It would have been optimal to have all of this ironed out in December, but truly a tricky thing to coach and navigate the unique team situation presented after the two championship runs. And still tricky.

So everything sucks about losing, but some roles are being identified. Every roster change comes with growing pains, and balance issues, but playing everyone DOES help identify what you have. A lot of coaches would just leave players buried.

No real point here.
All the criticism is valid. I share in a lot of it because I'm a fan. It's tough to lose games the way Iowa has. Feel terrible for the players that have to navigate their mistakes on a big stage. Fans are passionate and criticism/praise is what being a fan is all about. And even if emotional, reactionary and grumpy right now, having watched my fair share of NCAAW basketball around the country, it's safe to say Iowa Women's Basketball has a LOT of fans. All is not lost in one transition season.

Don’t say that, don’t say you share a lot of it, because quite frankly, we all “share“ in a lot of it, but you and many others don’t turn it into a personal attack against the coach and players.

It’s a job, a tough job and there is t ANYONE in here that could do better…

But het, they’re “know-it-alls” sorry couldn’t help myself
 
I am NOT saying JJ is anywhere close to Coach K, but K had people calling for his head into Year 2. Can't coach, doesn't know what he's doing, etc. Let's let the season play out.

The tricky thing is I don't think her bigs are good. Stuelke was basically given 6-8 ppg by the genius of CC. Hannah is not a shot creator or overly skilled player. CC made her look a lot better than she is. O'Grady is O'Grady. It's tricky having seniors that have had success and then mixing in a great group of frosh. The dynamics are dicey. I do think she needs to either bench some upperclassmen or do a better job of walking this tightrope of blending both groups.
Hannah did a hell of a job on the boards with 16 last night though, and had some pretty good post moves. She's not going to sit on the bench. Still Jan needs to find away to get Heiden in these games and keep her engaged.
 
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People mustn't forget that Jenni Fitzgerald also retired. Bluder, Jensen and Fitzgerald were a 3-headed coaching team for 25? years. Perhaps Fitzgerald had much more to do with the success than anyone realized.
That's what I've said...things like fouls, TOs, and the like usually are usually taskedto the assts.
There were some serious missteps Thursday evening.
 
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