But yet Fran is a great coach and a great recruiter, and it's all the players fault, at least according to most people on this forum. Is there something that I'm missing? Oh that's right, he's better than Likliter. Plus, Fran is only in his 6th season at Iowa, we should give him 4 or 5 more years to get it figured out.
We lose to the 12th Seed and then they lose by 31
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It is Lick's fault!!! Have you not read the countless posts telling everyone the depths that Lick had the program? I mean it will take Fran at least another 4 or 5 years to repair the damage. The Illinois loss just shows how far the team has fallen since January's sizzling run.
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But yet, the team that beat the 12 seed by 31 lost to Iowa twice this season. See how that works. And you're right about the loss being on Fran. I distinctly remember him blowing a wide open lay up and bricking two free throws in the game's final minutes, but the worst of all came when he and four Fran-clones failed to get off a shot in our last possession. There's enough blame to go around for both players and staff. What are you missing? Quite a lot, I think.
But Michigan beat Indiana and Nebraska beat Wisconsin so since we beat Michigan and Nebreska we are number 1 again right?
I don't think anyone has said Fran is above reproach. However, the issue isn't that people aren't interested in a logical, coherent discussion critiquing the coaches and players. The issue is the lunatic fringe flocks in droves to this anonymous message board to spew hateful rhetoric while proudly showcasing their prodigious basketball acumen and cybermuscles, all in what seems to be some sort of feeble attempt at a group therapy session. A lot of these same people were practically jerking off a month ago talking about Fran as COY and Uthoff as POY.
Anyhoo...
If you're halfway sane, have healthy self esteem, and aren't on board with tarring and feathering Fran, then you clearly suffer from some sort of Pollyanna complex. According to some people on here at least.
But thank you for contributing to the discussion. This is only like the 82nd thread started on Fran's incompetence as a coach since yesterday. We obviously needed another one. Well done.
Anyhoo...
If you're halfway sane, have healthy self esteem, and aren't on board with tarring and feathering Fran, then you clearly suffer from some sort of Pollyanna complex. According to some people on here at least.
But thank you for contributing to the discussion. This is only like the 82nd thread started on Fran's incompetence as a coach since yesterday. We obviously needed another one. Well done.
It is time to forget about Lickliter. After six years it is time to move on. It is Fran's team now.
Izzo has the Spartans playing very good team basketball. The Hawks only have two options right now. Team is not moving the ball well, nothing inside. Clemmons played great against MSU both times, but has not played well enough in the last month to be a starter. Fran has done great things at Iowa and I think we have a lot of very athletic players coming up in the next two classes. We will be fine. Unfortunately I believe MSU, Indiana, OSU, Maryland and Michigan will always been at or near the top. Too much local talent not to be.
Fran is obviously a terrible basketball coach and should be fired immediately.
I wonder, has a coach every been fired after three 20 win seasons in a row? Then, lets' go get a good basketball coach!
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Hawk_4shur asks: "I wonder, has a coach every been fired after three 20 win seasons in a row?"
Yes. But it was four in a row plus one. Bob Bowlsby fired Iowa's Tom Davis after four consecutive 20-win seasons: 21-12, 23-9, 22-10, and 20-11. And in his last, lame-duck season Dr. Tom went 20-10 and led the Hawkeyes to the Sweet Sixteen in the NCAA tournament. Then he was out the door.
So again, YES. An emphatic YES.
BTW: To review Dr. Tom's coaching record, visit this link: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/tom-davis-1.html
Yes. But it was four in a row plus one. Bob Bowlsby fired Iowa's Tom Davis after four consecutive 20-win seasons: 21-12, 23-9, 22-10, and 20-11. And in his last, lame-duck season Dr. Tom went 20-10 and led the Hawkeyes to the Sweet Sixteen in the NCAA tournament. Then he was out the door.
So again, YES. An emphatic YES.
BTW: To review Dr. Tom's coaching record, visit this link: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/tom-davis-1.html
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Yes, I do remember that well. Bob shit for brains Bowlsby. He got rid of Tom Davis
Because he wanted to hire a guy who could take Iowa BB to the next level.
16 years and counting and we still haven't gotten back to the sweet sixteen.
Thanks Bob!
Because he wanted to hire a guy who could take Iowa BB to the next level.
16 years and counting and we still haven't gotten back to the sweet sixteen.
Thanks Bob!
Local talent only matters if you have the right coach in charge. Trust me! Maryland was horrible 3-4 years ago, Michigan literally sucked for 15 years before Belein, OSU was absolute trash during the mid-2000s and Indiana won 6 games six years ago. Additionally, Illinois won the Big Ten 4/5 years in the early and mid-2000s, Purdue had a great run with the Baby Boilers and Iowa was consistently a player with Davis.
The Big Ten has too many historically good programs for some teams to "always" be at the top, IMO.
The fans wanted Davis gone. Bowlsby was under a lot of pressure to dump him. Fans were frustrated in the lack of recruiting and seeing the "same thing over and over" - sound familiar?
Blaming Bowlsby is tantamount to shooting the messenger.
Illinois lost to Purdue by 31. Purdue lost to Maryland by 12. Maryland lost to Michigan State by 9. Michigan State lost to Iowa by 17. Therefore by the transitive property, Iowa loses to Iowa by 69.
No it's just you blatantly ignore the success Fran has had here and is having. And the fact that he's built on that success. Some appreciate what he brought us out of. I wonder why some people just dismiss it. Is it because you weren't apart of Iowa basketball at that time? Is it because you just now jumped on the Iowa basketball bandwagon? I know the traffic on this board and the attendance at Carver was at an all time low while Lick was here.
Also remember Purdue playing first game and Illinois was playing 3rd game in 3 games. Not a surprise you could tell how much fresher Purdue was.
Fran has hit his coaching ceiling. The only difference between his job at Iowa and his previous coaching stops is the fact that Iowa is not a mid-major. 20-22 wins a year is a good ceiling and if lightening strikes maybe an occasional Sweet 16 run.
That's a bold prediction. What evidence is there that he's hit his cieling? I'm worried that you might be right but I don't see any evidence of this being true. I believe the recruiting has picked up and hopefully we'll see the fruits of that better recruiting.
Name a better job that is going to open up for Fran?
Moreover, what has he done at Iowa that is going to make him attractive to higher level Power 5 school?
Fran grew Lehigh and jumped to UNCG after 3 years. Fran was able to go grow UNCG to a 20 win team in 3 years, but then slide badly his 4th year with a 7-22 record. Of course he did get them back to an 18 win season before moving on to Sienna. While at Sienna, Fran was able to get them to back-to-back 27 win seasons, which in my mind if there record adjusted to a B1G schedule I would guess it would equate out to about 20-22 wins a season. Fran's 25 win season at Iowa was packed with cup cake wins. I believe that Fran has shown his ceiling based on his coaching ability and the type of recruits he is consistently able to attract.
Same head coach who went 4-0 against the Big Ten Tourney finalists and only lost 1 home game all season.
What a chump! right?
No, not really. I enjoyed watching my alma mater win back to back 12 Big Ten games in consecutive seasons.
The Big Ten is a deep and very difficult league.
In my opinion they have overachieved so far this year. Most had them on the bubble. They've been comfortably in the NCAA tourney for about 2 months.
I don't know if some of you clowns know we hadn't won in East Lansing in like 25 years.
That victory was sweet and special.
I'm worried about part of the coaching ability comment. There's a lot too be worried about from substitutions, player rotations, game day coaching and end of the game situations. But there is also a lot of positives for Fran in coaching ability. Player progression is one. His style of play and getting guys to play his style of play. No major transfer problems. I absolutely love the brand of basketball that Iowa plays. His teams having the ability to play different types of defenses is a big plus. Also Fran's ability to find diamonds in the rough in recruiting.
I think recruiting has picked up and obviously you disagree. I think this could be the difference as to why I don't think Fran has reached his ceiling here. I'm going based on ESPN recruiting rankings. Fran has two 4* players signed in the 2016. One in 2017 and one in the 2018 class. The Jok class is only Jok. So that looks like a good class. You can definitely argue that the 2014 class is bad. Jury is still out but it's 3* Uhl, 2* Ellingson and Dickerson. The excuse I would say for that class is if you look at it there was no playing time for incoming freshman. So Fran gambles on a juco and a red shirt candidate. The 2015 class has 4* Moss with Fleming, Hutton and Wagner all 3* and Williams unranked. Also that 2015 class seems to be a very athletic class.
