WEEK 1 IOWA HS THOUGHTS?

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Alright, I think after reading it about 38 times, I've figured out what you mean by how they do things, so I'll work on conferences for that later.

What I'd do with the current setup of the top 36 teams in Class 5A is consolidate it to just 4 conferences making up the largest schools.

-16 teams make the playoffs
-top 3 from each conference are guaranteed a spot
-remaining 4 spots are at-large berths
-top 2 seeds host 1st Rd games
-Regular season is 8 conference games, and 1 non-con

Here's how I'd divide 5A:

Central Iowa Metro League-
Ankeny
Ankeny Centennial
Johnston
Urbandale
Southeast Polk
West Des Moines, Dowling
West Des Moines, Valley
Waukee
Waukee Northwest

Iowa Crossroads Conference- (because every school is connected by the major roads HWY-20 and I-35)
Ames
Des Moines North*
Des Moines East
Des Moines Lincoln
Des Moines Roosevelt
Sioux City East
Sioux City North
Cedar Falls
Waterloo West **

Mississippi Athletic Conference-
Bettendorf
Davenport Central
Davenport North
Davenport West
Dubuque Hempstead
Dubuque Senior
Pleasant Valley
Muscatine
Ottumwa

Mississippi Valley Conference-
Marshalltown
Linn-Mar
Cedar Rapids Jefferson
Cedar Rapids Kennedy
Cedar Rapids Prairie
Cedar Rapids Washington
Iowa City High
Iowa City Liberty
Iowa City West


*-an exemption would be made for Council Bluffs Abraham Lincoln, so that they can stay paired with more of the teams in their region, and not be a complete geographical outlier in 5A. DSM North currently has a total BEDS over 1,000 and given their natural fit with the other metro schools, that is why they replace CBAL

**- Waterloo East and West will be merging into one centrally-located HS, expecting to start in 2028, which will make it one of, if not THE largest school districts in the state.

Here's an idea of how the playoffs would've looked in 2023 (granted this is a ballpark guesstimate because records would be very different with expanded conferences and new matchups):

(Home team first)
1 Southeast Polk vs 16 DSM Roosevelt
8 CR Prairie vs 9. Waukee NW

4 Bettendorf vs 13 Iowa City High
5 Cedar Falls vs 12 Johnston

6 CR Kennedy vs 11 Ankeny
3 Pleasant Valley vs 14 Ankeny Centennial

7 SC East vs 10 Waukee
2 WDM Dowling vs 15 Davenport West

 

[Twoooooooo]

Do any of the top programs schedule regional out of state games ? Living in KC now you see the local bigger programs cross scheduling Arkansas, Missouri and Nebraska schools. Don't think I have ever seen Iowa schools in that rotation.

If I remember correctly, Iowa schools are only allowed x amount of miles away from their respective school that they can travel to

 

[cidhawkeye]

Thetevis the multiplier plus be8ng pushed up for winning

‘Thetevis the multiplier‘
Got it, clear as mud. Much appreciated.

‘IHSA By-Law 3.170 requires a 1.65 multiplier be applied to the enrollment of every non-boundaried school.’
Ahhh, much better. Internetting is hard

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

‘Thetevis the multiplier‘
Got it, clear as mud. Much appreciated.

‘IHSA By-Law 3.170 requires a 1.65 multiplier be applied to the enrollment of every non-boundaried school.’
Ahhh, much better. Internetting is hard

That was in the original post. You are right this is hard for you.

 

[cidhawkeye]

That was in the original post. You are right this is hard for you.

Hmmm, let me compare the two.

‘Non-boundaried school programs not eligible for a waiverA sport or activity program at a particular non-boundaried school is not eligible for an automatic waiver duringthe two-year classification period if, over the course of the previous two (2) school terms, the program (as ateam) has accomplished any of the following:Wins a trophy at the state finals, orIn Football, accomplishes the following:• Wins at least three playoff games’

Is the same as

‘IHSA By-Law 3.170 requires a 1.65 multiplier be applied to the enrollment of every non-boundaried school.’

Sure it is. From your post I see that the 1.65 is the multiplier… I don’t? Ohh…. We’ll definitely I see that it applies to non boundary schools… wait, that isn’t in your post either?
So exactly the same. Do you know Joe?
I asked who it applied to, you posted about waivers.
I hope you are just trolling….

Actually your first response didn’t address my question at all. Keep trying Joe

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Hmmm, let me compare the two.

‘Non-boundaried school programs not eligible for a waiverA sport or activity program at a particular non-boundaried school is not eligible for an automatic waiver duringthe two-year classification period if, over the course of the previous two (2) school terms, the program (as ateam) has accomplished any of the following:Wins a trophy at the state finals, orIn Football, accomplishes the following:• Wins at least three playoff games’

Is the same as

‘IHSA By-Law 3.170 requires a 1.65 multiplier be applied to the enrollment of every non-boundaried school.’

Sure it is. From your post I see that the 1.65 is the multiplier… I don’t? Ohh…. We’ll definitely I see that it applies to non boundary schools… wait, that isn’t in your post either?
So exactly the same. Do you know Joe?
I asked who it applied to, you posted about waivers.
I hope you are just trolling….

Actually your first response didn’t address my question at all. Keep trying Joe

Idiot much?

 

[cidhawkeye]

Idiot much?

If someone should be able to recognize it…..
See if it can be simplified enough for even you.

Question is asked…. Pretty simple straightforward question since I knew who I was dealing with.

You throw out an 11 line answer that doesn’t address the question.

You then appear to think that the actual 3 line answer that addresses the question is the same as your 11 line answer that doesn’t.

RIF
Reading
Is
Funda…..

Never mind, you show no comprehension.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

If someone should be able to recognize it…..
See if it can be simplified enough for even you.

Question is asked…. Pretty simple straightforward question since I knew who I was dealing with.

You throw out an 11 line answer that doesn’t address the question.

You then appear to think that the actual 3 line answer that addresses the question is the same as your 11 line answer that doesn’t.

RIF
Reading
Is
Funda…..

Never mind, you show no comprehension.

Why pick a fight?

 

[mthawkeyes]

Maybe. The talent they have on that program is pretty nuts though.

SE Polk's talent is down quite a bit from what it was the previous 3-4 years.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

SE Polk's talent is down quite a bit from what it was the previous 3-4 years.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Why pick a fight?

I suffer fools poorly

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Top 10 results, and other notable scores.........

8-man:
1. Bishop Garrigan 41, West Bend-Mallard 6

2. Bedford 60, Murray 0

3. Lenox 41, Fremont-Mills 0

4. Remsen St. Mary's 48, Siouxland Christian 6

5. Don Bosco, Gilbertville x, Central Elkader x

6. WACO, Wayland 35, #8 Iowa Valley, Marengo 56

7. Audubon 44, #10 Colo-Nesco 8

8. Iowa Valley, Marengo 56, # 6 WACO, Wayland 35

9. CAM, Anita 58, Griswold 14

10. Colo-Nesco 8, #7 Audubon 44


Other scores-
BGM 70, Twin Cedars 0
Woodbine 48, Boyer Valley 12
Belle-Plaine 86, Melcher-Dallas 12
St. Edmond 70, Collins-Maxwell 14
Newell-Fonda 64, West Harrison/Whiting 8
Coon Rapids-Bayard 28, Baxter 20
Montezuma 80, Moravia 8
Harris-Lake Park 58, Rockford 6
Southeast Warren 76, Mormon Trail 0

Next up- Class A

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I suffer fools poorly

Drawbacks to being a Regina fan..........

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Let's start with this. Two weeks and Liberty sweeps rivals IC West and IC City. Liberty has quite a few sophomores playing in some big spots. Former Hawk and Buffalo Bill Scott Chandler and staff got the boys off to a great start. Liberty lost kids to both programs over the last few years so it had to feel good for the NL kids.

The issue that no one wants to talk about is recruiting at the high school level. It might be less active recruiting by coaches and staff, but once one team gets on a roll it becomes a magnet for talent from the area. When your school has to compete against these powerhouse schools (which is also playing your most talented kids against you, it becomes too much to overcome.

It's both. Some, not all, coaches are really dumb and leave receipts. They are texting kids from other schools and those kids show it around to other kids, teachers and coaches. Nothing ever happens so it doesn't matter.

Parents and kids do seem to be the bigger recruiters. There have also been movements of kids from bigger schools that won't play to smaller schools where they think they will be stars and don't need to beat anyone out. The ones I've met are that entitled... they don't play because every coach hates them and when coaches tell them directly what they need to do the coach is "making me feel like it's personal" or "a bully". Obviously there's plenty of movement from big school to big school as well but these kids take the cake.

Do any of the top programs schedule regional out of state games ? Living in KC now you see the local bigger programs cross scheduling Arkansas, Missouri and Nebraska schools. Don't think I have ever seen Iowa schools in that rotation.

City High played at Illinois 8A Joliet Catholic last week. I heard (didn't follow so don't know for sure) it was 50-6 going into the 4th quarter when Joliet pulled starters and the final was 50-22. Again, Liberty, who wasn't supposed to be great this year according to many around here, beat City at City 49-20 tonight so a pretty similar scoreline... for whatever that's worth.

Anyway... Go Hawks tomorrow...

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Class A Top 10 results and more from last night-

Class A-
1. Woodbury Central 41, Westwood, Sloan 0

2. AC/GC 28, Earlham 21

3. Britt, West Hancock x, Belmond-Klemme x

4. Lisbon 48, Louisa-Muscatine 0

5. Saint Ansgar 48, North Union 7

6. Madrid 48, Martensdale-St. Mary's 0

7. Nashua-Plainfield 27, North Tama 6

8. Starmont 53, Clayton Ridge 6

9. Logan-Magnolia 22, Kingsley-Pierson 30

10. IKM-Manning x, Panorama x


Other scores-
Wapsie Valley 35, Denver 12
Tri-Center, Neola 27, Treynor 21
South Central Calhoun 43, Southwest Valley 6
Sheldon 45, South O'Brien 21
Lynville-Sully 30, North Mahaska 22
North Linn 54, Postville 6
Mason City Newman 20, West Fork 15
Danville 14, Highland 7
Maquoketa Valley 49, North Cedar 0

Next up- Class 1A

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Class 1A Top 10 results and other notable scores from Week 1-

Class 1A:
1. OA/BC-IG 48, East Sac County 13

2. Grundy Center 43, Aplington-Parkersburg 7

3. Wilton 36, West Liberty 7

4. Treynor 21, Tri-Center, Neola 27

5. Underwood 28, #7(2A) Carroll Kuemper 49

6. Dike-New Hartford 27, West Branch 0

7. Emmetsburg 34, Estherville-Lincoln Central 0

8. Iowa City, Regina 28, Mid-Prairie, Wellman 17

9. AHSTW 42, Riverside 22

10. MFL-MarMac 12, Waukon 28


Other scores-
Alburnett 34, Camanche 7
Dyersville, Beckman 21, Monticello 0
Cherokee, Washington 31, Sioux Central 12
Grand View Christian 28, Colfax-Mingo 7
Hinton 33, Western Christian, Hull 14
Hudson 28, Cascade, Western Dubuque 7
West Lyon 49, Lawton-Bronson 6
Sigourney-Keota 23, Mediapolis7
West Marshall 56, South Hamilton 6
North Fayette Valley 42, Sumner-Fredericksburg 24
PCM 59, Pella Christian 7

 

[ISUBryce]

SE Polk's talent is down quite a bit from what it was the previous 3-4 years.

You mean when they had multiple 5 stars and power 5 level prospects? Well no kidding. Still a great program.

 

[jerbob36]

Geographic location is a huge advantage in today's world.
Live away from a large metro area and you are automatically at a disadvantage.
Live near a large metro? Boom.
Van Meter has benefitted nicely. DCG is starting to get some kids.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

I suffer fools poorly

Its called being a jerk Deanno

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Bet on all the usual suspects to make it to the Dome and win state again.

Nobody talks about HS ball in Iowa anymore because it's boring circle jerking the same teams every year.

Imagine in Texas if the same 3-4 teams won State every year in multiple classes. That'd kill the millions of dollars worth of interest that those people have for that sport.

Food for thought for those of you supporting one of "those schools".

Stop f***ing winning.

austin tx does have the same 3-4 teams every yr.... westlake, lake travis, maybe southlake out of dallas or something, but point taken. the rest of the state is competitive. the other day I looked to see where ottumwa plays now and I thought I was reading they were looking for a conference. maybe that was a yr ago. too lazy to see who and where ottumwa plays.....

 

[Hawkfan_08]

Geographic location is a huge advantage in today's world.
Live away from a large metro area and you are automatically at a disadvantage.
Live near a large metro? Boom.
Van Meter has benefitted nicely. DCG is starting to get some kids.

DCG has become a perennial contender in some sports.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Drawbacks to being a Regina fan..........

I’ll accept the trade off 😉

 

[cidhawkeye]

Its called being a jerk Deanno

Don’t make it so easy. Answer the question accurately and then realize that you didn’t and don’t double down on the mistake. No issues

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Don’t make it so easy. Answer the question accurately and then realize that you didn’t and don’t double down on the mistake. No issues

You aee a doubledown asshole. Kind of like a double holed bluebird box. You can have more shit come out.

 

[cidhawkeye]

You aee a doubledown asshole. Kind of like a double holed bluebird box. You can have more shit come out.

You’re answer(much like this post) was garbage. It is what it is.
Don’t like getting called out? Answer the question.
Don’t like getting called out again? Acknowledge you didn’t answer the question and answer it instead of posting more garbage. It’s not my issue.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

You’re answer(much like this post) was garbage. It is what it is.
Don’t like getting called out? Answer the question.
Don’t like getting called out again? Acknowledge you didn’t answer the question and answer it instead of posting more garbage. It’s not my issue.

Ha ha. Dont u get tired of switching accounts.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Ha ha. Dont u get tired of switching accounts.

Definitely not tech savvy enough to do that. Same account, same name since I started this internet thing. Can you say the same?

 

[EastIowaHawk]

The problem is in Des Moines. Basically it is: which of three DM schools (Valley, SE Polk, Dowling) will win the 5A football title. The schools are so large, and the players hop around to the best schools in junior high, and the entire rest of the state no longer can produce a team to win the state championship in that class. . The remainder of the classes are fairly balanced, but 4A has about four teams that have superb coaching and tradition. 3A has Williamsburg , recently.. We need a super class at the top. However, some Des Moines schools are so weak, on the other hand, that they would have a hard time beating the top 3A or 4A schools Multipliers may be good for the very top private schools at the top, but all the rest get penalized because most are weak to start with. You can't move Dowling up, and the only private that could be affected would be Xavier. The rest just aren't consistent powers. Wahlert hasn't made it past the football semifinals in 65 years., as an example. They were 0-9 five years ago. Put a multiplier on them and they'll never make the playoffs.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Definitely not tech savvy enough to do that. Same account, same name since I started this internet thing. Can you say the same?

I dont struggle with tech. Enjoy your Legion

 

[Bonerfarts]

The problem is in Des Moines. Basically it is: which of three DM schools (Valley, SE Polk, Dowling) will win the 5A football title. The schools are so large, and the players hop around to the best schools in junior high, and the entire rest of the state no longer can produce a team to win the state championship in that class. . The remainder of the classes are fairly balanced, but 4A has about four teams that have superb coaching and tradition. 3A has Williamsburg , recently.. We need a super class at the top. However, some Des Moines schools are so weak, on the other hand, that they would have a hard time beating the top 3A or 4A schools Multipliers may be good for the very top private schools at the top, but all the rest get penalized because most are weak to start with. You can't move Dowling up, and the only private that could be affected would be Xavier. The rest just aren't consistent powers. Wahlert hasn't made it past the football semifinals in 65 years., as an example. They were 0-9 five years ago. Put a multiplier on them and they'll never make the playoffs.

Totally agree and why I would love to see a relegation system. Will never happen though.

 

[cidhawkeye]

I dont struggle with tech. Enjoy your Legion

Solid no response to a simple yes/no question.
I will say it was quite a bit better than your previous attempts at an answer.

 

[IIowaFarmBoy]

Solid no response to a simple yes/no question.
I will say it was quite a bit better than your previous attempts at an answer.

You are nuts. But that has been obvious.

 

[cidhawkeye]

You are nuts. But that has been obvious.

If expecting a simple answer to a simple question makes me nuts then I am guilty.
Not sure what not being able to answer the simple questions would make someone.

 

[MitchLL]

DCG has become a perennial contender in some sports.

DCG, right now, is one of the largest schools in 4A. Maybe even the largest.
Last school year, I believe they qualified for State in four sports for boys AND four sports for girls.

They will be in the 5A/girls and 4A/boys classes within the next 5 years.

 

[cidhawkeye]

DCG, right now, is one of the largest schools in 4A. Maybe even the largest.
Last school year, I believe they qualified for State in four sports for boys AND four sports for girls.

They will be in the 5A/girls and 4A/boys classes within the next 5 years.

That area just continues to grow. When my kids went there it was just beginning that growth