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Per Iawrestle article(below), the 3 not yet mentioned are Cade Siebrecht, Jace Rhodes, and Brandon Cannon.
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Fleshman a fullride? Surprising if he is! I think the best he has done at state has been 7th. Had a good summer tho and Morningstar was one of his coaches in Oklahoma on National team.
No. Only elite high schoolers get full rides, or even close to it. Not kids that got 7th at state.
9.9 scholarships for wrestling between the whole team (30-40 dudes). About the only guy I could see getting a full scholarship would be a Spencer caliber dude.
Who cares about full rides anymore.. we need to just fire up the Cesspool sponsorship machine
And that’s too bad. I’d rather have more proven studs come in with full ride and second/third tier pay own way if they want to come out.
That could possibly make for an empty room. My kid isn’t walking on at Iowa to get piss pounded the entire practice for nothing.
The way I look at it is if the coach does not think you are worth any scholarship money, then you should probably believe him. That means you probably are not as good as the guy he has in the room or the other guys he is recruiting at your weight. Of course they are not always right, but they usually have a pretty good idea where you stand.
Also, a lot of coaches are not going to put the time into you as a non scholarship athlete until you prove yourself and it is difficult to get good enough to prove yourself without getting time with the coach.
Yet somehow teams have 30-35 guys on the roster and usually only about 12-15 are on scholarships.
Define 2nd or 3rd tier.
I think a lot of guys we think of as "room guys" pay their own way or are tabbed "preferred walk on" meaning if they come here and jump levels and end up a starter, they can get money down the road. They get the chance to shoot their shot and are rewarded for it if it works out. Otherwise, the schollie $$$ works out the way we probably think it does.
My tiers are:
1st: Multistate/Prep/Super 32 /Ironman Champs plus Fargo titles or AAs, Wins against ranked opponents. UWW world teams etc. #1 in their weight class coming out, top ten p4p etc
2nd: Multistate champs plus Super 32, Fargo or UWW AAs top 4 or 5 in their weight class
3rd: All others
So one can be a 3 or 4 time Montana state champ but if no success on a national level, then they drop down into to tier 3. Likewise, a guy like Kemerer "only" won one state title (2,2,2,1) but it was in the toughest state plus he had sustained success on the national level.
They probably have some type of rubric for this when they sit down and talk $$$ with parents but I am guessing even some of the kids we think are worth a full ride don't get the full 100%.
Another thing to consider is, there are a lot of ways these schools can get creative. They start with basing everything off your parents income, after that you may be qualified for government assistance (grants), then if you are a good student you can get a partial academic scholarship, + a partial athletic scholarship. They can get many kids close to a full ride status just by that kid doing what they need to do outside of the mat, and using a little creativity. The average students who come from a family that has a combined 150+ a year income are the ones it really makes the 9.9 hard for!
A tier 1 recruit for Iowa and a Tier 1 recruit for Rider or Kent State are going to be quite different. I also seriously doubt that many kids get full athletic rides. Spenser Lee - maybe but I would guess Kemmerer, Young, Warner, Cass, Ayala etc are not on full athletic rides.
A lot of kids do this for little to nothing. They love the sport and want to be a Hawkeye.
Hell let every in state wrestler come for a visit and see what the hype is all about. Give them all a good story about the time they took their gameday Saturday trip to the wrestling mecca. Most of them will end up wrestling somewhere lesser like Grandview or Wartburg or Coe, or ISU.
Good for them. They’re idiots. Wrestling aged me by 20 years. I’d have to get something.
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