Well, there goes that smooth-brained MAGAt take…
- Thread starter Menace Sockeyes
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Are you suggesting that maybe what right wing media was pushing during the election might have not been completely accurate???
When some of them started calling out neocons I couldn't help but to roll my eyes.
Depends upon the conditions of the war ending.
If he just gets one side to give up everything and the other side gives up nothing than it's meaningless. That's surrender, not peace.
If the conditions are left in such a state that it makes a future war more likely that isn't good either.
A good peace has to be a lasting peace that both sides can accept for peace.
Don’t worry, you’ll be around to suck Trump’s dick no matter what happens. You’ll always be there for him, so that’s nice.
It's pretty important that Ukraine hold on to their Kursk area gains. Have to have something to bargain with.
It's pretty evident a peace deal will freeze the lines basically in place with Russia giving up some of their Ukraine gains for the Kursk region.
Security guarantees for Ukraine post war will be key. I don't think NATO membership will be part of the deal.
Not sure why arms sales are pro/anti war. If we don't tell Israel what to do with them, then we're not involved, like Ukraine, using the arms as a leash on a dog
That IMO is the biggest issue. There has to be a HARD guarantee of Ukraine's sovereignty. No soft guarantees are acceptable. Russia had a treaty in which they guaranteed Ukraine's sovereignty over the borders as they were drawn previously and they simply disregarded it.
Ukraine will build a nuke if they don't get in NATO. That is only security guarantee that will work.
Best of luck to them.
Ukraine is a corrupt place, the fact #5 is taking on #2 in shitty scale doesn't mean #5 is automatically a good guy.
If 2019 tiny hands could hear 2024 tiny hands speak about Ukraine he would laugh him out of the room. That place was Russia lite before siblings started fighting.
What are they doing with the weapons? Making yard decorations?
I think the best "guarantee" is to continue to arm and upgrade their military. The harder the nut they are to attack the less likely of another invasion.
Put's some teeth in any paper "guarantees".
The problem for me has always been the money. Providing arms deals and support to an ally is a-okay in my book. The issue is the American taxpayer shouldn’t have to pay for it. If that were the Democrats’ objection to it, I would be on board. But, no, it’s the same old tired rhetoric of: “How dare Israel fight terrorists when civilians get killed!”
In other words, Israel=white oppressors; terrorists=brown victims.
STFU
Something which will cost Russia a price they are most likely unwilling to pay if they choose to invade Ukraine again.
The only 2 hard guarantees I can come up with. One is NATO membership for Ukraine which would trigger WW3 on Russia if they invaded again. Or the second option was Ukraine gets nukes which would trigger mutually assured destruction between Ukraine and Russia.
Anything less and it's just Russia re-arms and invades again in 5 to 10 years.
Except that literally no one has said that. They say that having 70% of the dead be women and children is unacceptable.
Which is why NATO membership almost has to happen. There has to be incentive for Russia not to violate the terms of whatever agreement is made.
I can't see that happening if Trump is negotiating the end of the war.
That's the problem. Trump might get them to agree to a DMZ at the current front lines or might get them to agree to give Russia territory. But what he won't do is back Ukraine in any security guarantees.
And Ukraine won't have much of a choice if we cut off the military supplies. They will have to accept whatever they get.
I don't disagree with you which is why any deal he negotiates is doomed to fail. It will probably last as long as he is still in office though and then they can blame the Democrat that replaces him on the war starting up again.
