Democrats: what would it take for you to start questioning the legitimacy of this past election?
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No. All voting hardware should be open source, and independently reviewed by multiple auditors.
That's why:
"The TSE has provided an extensive set of audit procedures to address this. Responding to suggestions of auditors in previous electoral processes, the courts have successively increased the scope of these audits and reduced restrictions for auditors. The current iteration, which incorporates different university security expert teams that examine the complete system using their own tools in their own environments, without time limits, is the most permissive to date."
And how do you think you're going to get 50 states to agree to adopt 1 universal voting hardware system?
I just want CA to get their shit together.
FL has this figured out already.
Honestly, Silicon Valley is right there. There's no excuse.
Democrats as a Party, are not Republicans. The election is over. We ain’t gonna piss and moan about something that is finished…..we are not Donald Trump.
I am more curious about the Trump claims before Election Day that “Pennsylvania was crooked as hell” with their early vote…..When is Donald going to investigate the skullduggery he suspected there?
As far as I have seen or heard, the only elections being contested are the really close ones, where “recounts” are automatic if the margins are small.
Yeah the biggest difference is Trump was the one leading the charge on claims of election fraud. Kamala and the rest of the Dem leadership, to my knowledge, have made no such claims themselves.
I think that is what I said……anyway, I am waiting for trump to open up his investigation of voter fraud in Pennsylvania, since he hade the accusation.
That's why Maga is so stupid. Information bubble idiots.
Interesting that in six swing states, the Dems won the states top race, but Trump wins president. This needs some auditing.
Actual evidence. Something of substance vs pieces of data matching to pre-formed beliefs. We should be better than that.
Good times. I remember cons smugly displaying the red/blue map after Bush won. How did that work out anyway?
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Congrats, you found some gullible dumbass Harris voters. Come back to us when it is the major party candidate, and all their minions claiming the election was stolen.
Again, foreign adversaries are going to try to sow lies and conspiracies to create further division. Harris voters will hopefully (mostly) be smart enough to see through that. Harris lost because of many factors, voter fraud was not one of them.
I WAS RIGHT, AND I TOLD YOU SO!!!
Ok, that felt good. I said all along the losing side would cry foul. They are. You told me NO, only Trumpers do that (forgetting 2016 happened)
It's just how it's going to be until someone wants to shore up the process so everyone can be confident in it. 2016, 2020, and 2024 all see the losers crying foul.
Ok, that felt good. I said all along the losing side would cry foul. They are. You told me NO, only Trumpers do that (forgetting 2016 happened)
It's just how it's going to be until someone wants to shore up the process so everyone can be confident in it. 2016, 2020, and 2024 all see the losers crying foul.
bOtH sIdES!%!!
So you're comparing randos who might be fakes to the Republican party apparatus and leaders not just claiming fraud but committing crimes and trying to overthrow an election? Who in the Democratic party is claiming fraud and engaging in the types of litigation and rabble-rousing that occurred after the 2020 election? Who is an equivalent even to a Mike Lindell?
The election was very similar to 2020 although Biden won by a much larger popular vote margin, and the Democratic party and its leaders have accepted the results.
Just so full of shit.
Give me a break. A handful of irrelevant idiots is a "both sides" issue. It's going to happen and any "prediction" is like predicting the sun will rise in the east.
What we saw in 2020, and what we would be seeing right now if Trump had lost, is not even similar. The number of people complaining would be 1000x this, the volume would be 1000x this, and it would include the party leader and most of the GOP at the highest level. At some level in your brain you certainly know this. At some point you have to stop trying to make everything a false equivalence and admit the GOP is broken.
Its not comparable because dems were way worse with the lies in 2016. Plus 2020 was actually rife with fraud from mail in ballots.
And btw, this is stupid AF. The process is damn secure and accurate. It's only because people like you, led by your orange leader, keep insisting that there is massive fraud that anyone is deluded into thinking our elections are suspect. They are not. And this is not a "BOTH SIDES" issue; the GOP has a near-monopoly on that foolishness.
Every election since the beginning of time, you could find somebody who believed it was rigged.
Let's see how widespread these beliefs become including at the top levels.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Way to make the biggest both sides stretch of all time comparing a twitter fool named “shell shock” (who is probably working at a Russian troll farm) to the literal President of the United States.
Very equivalent levels of crying foul.
Just look on HBOT: by my count we have one poster who is exploring the idea the election was stolen but is not convinced. The rest of the Harris voters are saying it wasn’t. But in 2020 the MAGA loonies were out in force on here amplifying Trump’s message and were unanimous in their certainty that there was massive fraud which has never been proven.
MAGA is crazy all the way to their core. The dems have a few morons.
Hell, this week we have idiots still claiming 2020 was rigged.
All of this can be made simpler as any election involving mail in ballots, drop boxes, and voting machines connected to internet should never be allowed.
Election day holiday
In person
Voter ID
Paper Ballots
Mail per application- military, sick, elderly, etc.
Election day holiday
In person
Voter ID
Paper Ballots
Mail per application- military, sick, elderly, etc.
1) I'm not aware of voting machines that are connected to the internet...period. If that's wrong, please correct me.
2) mail in ballots have their own validation process. There's no need to end a voting option just because you don't like it.
3) drop boxes I believe (or at least in some cases) are either kept in fairly public places where tampering with them would be noticed in short order and/or have cameras on them. There's again no need to eliminate this.
You may be 1000% correct that there have been no shannagins BUT...public perception is that these are things are not fully trusted. I think it would go a long way in public perception and trust.
Proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Not just speculation about how it could have happened or might have happened. I need proof that it DID happen.
There is no evidence the election results are not valid just like there was no evidence that the election results in 2020 were not valid.
There's a reason public perception has been shaped that way. That reason is the Republican Party. They continue to question election integrity without ever providing evidence of shenanigans. You can't rebuild public trust in a process if one of the two major parties doesn't stop.
And for the record - neither I, nor any other poster defending the process have been 1000% foolproof. It's not. every election cycle when states do their postmortems and the like, a handful will always be found. The key point is that that handful has been historically insignificant and not rampant like republicans allege.
This honestly isn't dissimilar to the public perception that republicans have sold that the economy is failing. It's not. Time and again most economic metrics show the US economy to be in a good place overall. Not perfect of course, high prices in particular continue to be a problem, but if you watched only Fox News you'd think we were in the midst of a new Great Depression. Not the least of the reasons Harris lost is because they weren't able to effectively combat that narrative.
Thanks for opening your mouth and confirming just how stupid you are.
You still do t get it. It’s sad that you think Kamala didn’t win becasue she’s a women and a minority. Maybe it’s a Kamala problem and not a female problem. Glad your party can now define what a woman is, two weeks ago they couldn’t.
I bet you think the 1-8 FSU record has nothing to do with coaching.
I just think it is smarter for our republic going forward to do a few of those election changes. At the very least we should have traceable paper ballots and voter ID in all 50 states imo.
On your last paragraph, I actually totally agree with you. The economy is not in a terrible place right now but I think the problem is that it hasn't moved the pricing of items yet. People are still feeling the "pain" on the ground to a degree even though the metrics are going in the right direction.
The macro numbers are good. But a lot of people feel left out of that growth. This is a long running issue with most of the economic growth going to a smaller number of individuals. I also wonder if social media is an exacerbating factor. People see things on social media and wonder why they are getting the same success.
Right I wasn’t disputing what you said. I was just expanding about Trump specifically leading the conspiracies of fraud in 2020, while this year it’s some idiots on TikTok spreading these claims, but Kamala is not.
Democrats should be questioning the legitimacy, but not in the way you are posting. They should be asking how Biden got pushed out and Kamala was anointed.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
No. Democrats should be questioning how anyone in their right mind supported Joe announcing his candidacy in the first place. I think the election was lost the day he began his 2nd term campaign. He stood no shot of being mentally viable for a 2nd term and very long odds to beat the GOP.
Are you seriously going to play a card that stupid? When did Clinton concede the election? Harris? Cool...now do Trump. Tabulate the number of lawsuits filed by the losing candidate in an effort to overturn results in each of your chosen elections. I hope you're not so moranic that you equate the general pissing and moaning from individual voters with the insane rantings of an entire f'n party's leadership. Please tell us you're not that dumb.
This post didn't age well. Seems as if the last couple of weeks have proven what some of us said all along - other than a brief period of wailing and gnashing of teeth by a handful of Internet warriors, if Harris loses she will conceded and the results will be accepted. A stark contrast to 2020, and there is no question in my mind that you know exactly what it would be like right now if Trump had lost. It would be bedlam.
