What about our obsession with violence?

[hawkland14]

Why do anti gun folks lose their mind every time we have a terrible tragedy about more gun control and pro gun folks talk about improving our mental health problems but no one one ever discusses the obsession with violence in our culture? Maybe our president should speak out against the violence in our music, movies, video games, etc... instead of lecturing us on gun violence like we are all little kids. Instead he would rather be cool with the Commons and Jay Zs of the world and not focus on the violence and hate that they spew in their music.

 

[moral_victory]

Welcome to HROT Tipper Gore.

 

[hawkland14]

Welcome to HROT Tipper Gore.

So your saying our society isn't surrounded by violence everywhere and that doesn't play a part in these mass shootings at all?

 

[moral_victory]

So your saying our society isn't surrounded by violence everywhere and that doesn't play a part in these mass shootings at all?

I was calling you Tipper Gore, but sure I can agree with that too.



The interesting topic that could come off of your thread is the cutting of funding and facilities for mental disorder afflicted people, and how people that go to the mental ill defense do nothing to fund these sort of things.

 

[IMCC965]

Why do anti gun folks lose their mind every time we have a terrible tragedy about more gun control and pro gun folks talk about improving our mental health problems but no one one ever discusses the obsession with violence in our culture? Maybe our president should speak out against the violence in our music, movies, video games, etc... instead of lecturing us on gun violence like we are all little kids. Instead he would rather be cool with the Commons and Jay Zs of the world and not focus on the violence and hate that they spew in their music.

100% agree with this. Guns are not the root of the problem. Glorified violence in video games, hip hop videos, and movies is definitely a problem.

 

[moral_victory]

100% agree with this. Guns are not the root of the problem. Glorified violence in video games, hip hop videos, and movies is definitely a problem.

GRANDPA PLEASE!!!

 

[Thomas_Barnes]

Why do anti gun folks lose their mind every time we have a terrible tragedy about more gun control and pro gun folks talk about improving our mental health problems but no one one ever discusses the obsession with violence in our culture? Maybe our president should speak out against the violence in our music, movies, video games, etc... instead of lecturing us on gun violence like we are all little kids. Instead he would rather be cool with the Commons and Jay Zs of the world and not focus on the violence and hate that they spew in their music.

This is so dumb because it is just making excuses for people who think they are Cowboys and just shoot people and things and think it is ok because other people do it and nothing happens.

 

[Sooner-Be-Dead]

I see the video games as one piece in the gun-worship culture. I'm not anti-gun. I shoot on a range once or twice a year. But a large part of the gun community worships guns like they're the holy grail. Anyone who's marginally employed and owns over 10 guns is a nut, regardless if they commit crimes.

 

[Gimmered]

So your saying our society isn't surrounded by violence everywhere and that doesn't play a part in these mass shootings at all?

We are surrounded by violence in out music and in the video games we play, no one can argue that. But violence has fallen dramatically in the last 40 years. If any connection were to be made one could argue that we need more violence in our music not less.

 

[naturalmwa]

100% agree with this. Guns are not the root of the problem. Glorified violence in video games, hip hop videos, and movies is definitely a problem.

OK, how do you want to solve for this?

 

[moral_victory]

OK, how do you want to solve for this?

I hope he has a plan. I need to see this.

 

[strummingram]

When your government keeps your country at war, or looking for war, or operating under constant fear of the threat of war, or violence... well, you reap what you sow. I'm surprised it doesn't happen a lot more.

 

[IMCC965]

OK, how do you want to solve for this?

It has to come from the top down. Pressure on the music industry and entertainment industry from the WH, PSAs, and people that matter to the folks that create all the crap. Moral standards need to be raised by placing pressure on a continuous basis. Downplay the notion of "do whatever you feel like when you feel like it", and start holding people accountable for their actions. Regulation won't do it but peer pressure on a grand scale might.

 

[Nat Algren]

Why do anti gun folks lose their mind every time we have a terrible tragedy about more gun control and pro gun folks talk about improving our mental health problems but no one one ever discusses the obsession with violence in our culture? Maybe our president should speak out against the violence in our music, movies, video games, etc... instead of lecturing us on gun violence like we are all little kids. Instead he would rather be cool with the Commons and Jay Zs of the world and not focus on the violence and hate that they spew in their music.

Are you referring to the same POTUS who has invaded and/or bombed 8 nations in 7 years that has resulted in the death of untold millions? This Constitutional scholar starts illegal wars and decides which wedding party is to be droned while eating his eggs in the morning. He holds no moral high ground. The same can be said for the GOP who sit back and do nothing.

 

[Nat Algren]

Who’s the Bigger Murderer?
Thomas DiLorenzo

Chris Harper-Mercer, who shot and killed ten people in an Oregon community college last week, or Barack Obama, who ordered the aerial bombing of a Doctors-Without-Borders hospital in Afghanistan that killed nineteen people last week? You do the math.


https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/whos-the-bigger-murderer/

 

[naturalmwa]

It has to come from the top down. Pressure on the music industry and entertainment industry from the WH, PSAs, and people that matter to the folks that create all the crap. Moral standards need to be raised by placing pressure on a continuous basis. Downplay the notion of "do whatever you feel like when you feel like it", and start holding people accountable for their actions. Regulation won't do it but peer pressure on a grand scale might.

Really? You just want a Nancy Reagan "Just say No" approach? Forgive me if I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of the idea that a politician can talk people into being nice. How about we actually reduce state violence? Let's cut the military back to a national defence force. Eliminate the death penalty. Use a European police model where cops are unarmed. Tax violent entertainment to keep it out of casual contact.

 

[Vroom_C14]

The majority don't condone violence, the media promotes the puss out of it though.

The minority is trying to dictate the majority again.

 

[naturalmwa]

The majority don't condone violence, the media promotes the puss out of it though.

The minority is trying to dictate the majority again.

On what basis do you believe this? If violence didn't sell, it wouldn't be in every outlet. Almost everyone likes violence.

 

[IMCC965]

Really? You just want a Nancy Reagan "Just say No" approach? Forgive me if I'm skeptical about the effectiveness of the idea that a politician can talk people into being nice. How about we actually reduce state violence? Let's cut the military back to a national defence force. Eliminate the death penalty. Use a European police model where cops are unarmed. Tax violent entertainment to keep it out of casual contact.

Well, it's illegal to use the military as a police force. Death penalty has nothing to do with violence on the streets. Unarmed cops would be a very BAD idea. And there's always a loophole to get around taxes.

Wouldn't work, but with the acception of unarmed police, you sound like a Republican.

 

[naturalmwa]

Well, it's illegal to use the military as a police force. Death penalty has nothing to do with violence on the streets. Unarmed cops would be a very BAD idea. And there's always a loophole to get around taxes.

Wouldn't work, but with the acception of unarmed police, you sound like a Republican.

So your bottom line is you want to do nothing but talk. Now you sound like a liberal.

 

[Vroom_C14]

On what basis do you believe this? If violence didn't sell, it wouldn't be in every outlet. Almost everyone likes violence.

It sells outside of reality (movies, games, etc) if you were to poll regarding actual violence, I would bet you see what I am talking about.

Even in the military you find a vast majority that don't want violence (but that doesn't mean they don't train for it).

 

[naturalmwa]

It sells outside of reality (movies, games, etc) if you were to poll regarding actual violence, I would bet you see what I am talking about.

Even in the military you find a vast majority that don't want violence (but that doesn't mean they don't train for it).

We disagree. I bet nearly every honest person would admit to enjoying violence. From football to action movies it's very popular.

 

[Vroom_C14]

We disagree. I bet nearly every honest person would admit to enjoying violence. From football to action movies it's very popular.

Football violence is MUCH different than mass shootings, come on man. But you proved my point as well as you mentioned games. Thanks.

 

[strummingram]

On what basis do you believe this? If violence didn't sell, it wouldn't be in every outlet. Almost everyone likes violence.

You nailed it there. That's abundantly clear.

 

[naturalmwa]

Football violence is MUCH different than mass shootings, come on man. But you proved my point as well as you mentioned games. Thanks.

Of course it's much different, so is violence in movies and music and video games which was the topic. If the argument is we need to reduce violence in our entertainment to achieve a more peaceful society, sports are going to be on the table. One might want to think this argument through. You're welcome.

 

[strummingram]

Football violence is MUCH different than mass shootings, come on man. But you proved my point as well as you mentioned games. Thanks.

Violence is violence. It's being accepted in your subconscious and your conscious mind. It's glorified and celebrated in countless ways in this society. It's fed to us from birth. People are pitted against each other in just about every conceivable way!

 

[moral_victory]

It has to come from the top down. Pressure on the music industry and entertainment industry from the WH, PSAs, and people that matter to the folks that create all the crap. Moral standards need to be raised by placing pressure on a continuous basis. Downplay the notion of "do whatever you feel like when you feel like it", and start holding people accountable for their actions. Regulation won't do it but peer pressure on a grand scale might.

Looks like you are for big government when it suits you. Art and creation be damned.

 

[dbq hawk 32]

It has to come from the top down. Pressure on the music industry and entertainment industry from the WH, PSAs, and people that matter to the folks that create all the crap. Moral standards need to be raised by placing pressure on a continuous basis. Downplay the notion of "do whatever you feel like when you feel like it", and start holding people accountable for their actions. Regulation won't do it but peer pressure on a grand scale might.

So you want the executive branch to violate people's first amendment rights? Because you aren't on here throwing a temper tantrum about the exact same thing happening to 2nd amendment rights?

BTW, it amazes me that some people don't realize that people in every other country in the world (North Korea aside) listen to our music and watch our movies and play our games.

 

[ANYCHawk]

So your saying our society isn't surrounded by violence everywhere and that doesn't play a part in these mass shootings at all?

 

[Vroom_C14]

Violence is violence. It's being accepted in your subconscious and your conscious mind. It's glorified and celebrated in countless ways in this society. It's fed to us from birth. People are pitted against each other in just about every conceivable way!

I disagree. Beheading someone is much more violent than dodge ball. It is fed to is, remember we are predators at our very core. The majority of us can control the desire to be violent, a few cant.

 

[strummingram]

I disagree. Beheading someone is much more violent than dodge ball. It is fed to is, remember we are predators at our very core. The majority of us can control the desire to be violent, a few cant.

Actually, beheading someone requires about the same energy. It's a bit more "mortal", but not technically more violent. If you throw the ball hard enough, and hit them in the head, you'll draw blood.

I agree, most of us can keep our sh*t wired tight. A few can't.

I still say our culture is drenched with it. I rarely watch commercial TV except when watching sports. I just saw a commercial for The Blacklist. It's shooting and killing from start to finish. Our government engages is in killing on an almost constant basis. States execute people all the time. That's justified all the time. When you condone killing in one way, don't be surprised when it pops up somewhere you don't like.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

On what basis do you believe this? If violence didn't sell, it wouldn't be in every outlet. Almost everyone likes violence.

Exactly. At least smart people that realize guns are not the problem understand this. They also understand that those calling for a ban on guns are hypocrites that really love violence and promote the problem daily themselves. Great post.

But yes, let's blame responsible gun owners and make them feel like criminals.

 

[INXS83]

We are surrounded by violence in out music and in the video games we play, no one can argue that. But violence has fallen dramatically in the last 40 years. If any connection were to be made one could argue that we need more violence in our music not less.

Ever watch tv or movies? Kids consume massive amounts of violence throughout their formative years. It most certainly has an affect on their attitudes and values.

 

[MichiganManLifer]

What about mass shootings during that time? They seem to happen a lot more and we have had guns for the entire history of this country. We are removing God, promoting violence and it's all the guns' fault.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Actually, beheading someone requires about the same energy. It's a bit more "mortal", but not technically more violent. If you throw the ball hard enough, and hit them in the head, you'll draw blood.

I agree, most of us can keep our sh*t wired tight. A few can't.

I still say our culture is drenched with it. I rarely watch commercial TV except when watching sports. I just saw a commercial for The Blacklist. It's shooting and killing from start to finish. Our government engages is in killing on an almost constant basis. States execute people all the time. That's justified all the time. When you condone killing in one way, don't be surprised when it pops up somewhere you don't like.

it may require the same kinetic energy, but IMHO it requires quite a bit more (not sure what to call it) "fortitude" to take someone's life vs giving someone a bloody nose with a dodge ball.

 

[naturalmwa]

Ever watch tv or movies? Kids consume massive amounts of violence throughout their formative years. It most certainly has an affect on their attitudes and values.

But do we know what that impact is? Maybe it's like porn where after you watch and release you are less horny. Could violence in entertainment produce a similar "masturbatory" sensation that soothes the beast within?

 

[Vroom_C14]

We say "mass" shootings when it comes to a single incident such as school, church or business being shot up. This school had 9 killed in 1 day. Chicago for instance has 45 killed over the weekend (nearly 5x as many), if that isn't a "mass" killing I am not sure what is (and it happens nearly EVERY weekend in Chicago and like cities). Yet our officials (POTUS and anti-gun advocates) scream about how these mass shootings need attention - yet they don't say it for the higher rate within the cities.

It at least would appear that the POTUS and the like deem it this way. They want to politicize the 9 shot and killed and brush aside the 45 of one city. Innocent killed are innocent killed.

 

[naturalmwa]

We say "mass" shootings when it comes to a single incident such as school, church or business being shot up. This school had 9 killed in 1 day. Chicago for instance has 45 killed over the weekend (nearly 5x as many), if that isn't a "mass" killing I am not sure what is (and it happens nearly EVERY weekend in Chicago and like cities). Yet our officials (POTUS and anti-gun advocates) scream about how these mass shootings need attention - yet they don't say it for the higher rate within the cities.

It at least would appear that the POTUS and the like deem it this way. They want to politicize the 9 shot and killed and brush aside the 45 of one city. Innocent killed are innocent killed.

Where did this idea come from and why do you advance it? Gun control advocates point to daily shootings all the time. And all the proposals they put forth would address them more than these headline grabbing events. And how does pointing out the problem is worse serve the purpose of those who don't want more gun control? This is a really weird talking point for your position. It's like you don't care what you say just so long as you get a dig in on Obama.

 

[Vroom_C14]

Where did this idea come from and why do you advance it? Gun control advocates point to daily shootings all the time. And all the proposals they put forth would address them more than these headline grabbing events. And how does pointing out the problem is worse serve the purpose of those who don't want more gun control? This is a really weird talking point for your position. It's like you don't care what you say just so long as you get a dig in on Obama.

The focus of the media is on the mass shootings, the 9 that were shot at the college make front page - the 45-60 over the weekend in one city are page 16 (if even listed). Nothing against Obama, he sets himself up for this on his ad-hoc responses based on his choice of the day. I would be saying the same if it were a republican at the helm.

Pointing out that there is hypocrisy within the media and politicians is the point. They want to lay claim for gun control of isolated incidents but don't raise a finger on daily occurrences.

 

[naturalmwa]

The focus of the media is on the mass shootings, the 9 that were shot at the college make front page - the 45-60 over the weekend in one city are page 16 (if even listed). Nothing against Obama, he sets himself up for this on his ad-hoc responses based on his choice of the day. I would be saying the same if it were a republican at the helm.

Pointing out that there is hypocrisy within the media and politicians is the point. They want to lay claim for gun control of isolated incidents but don't raise a finger on daily occurrences.

That's not really hypocracy at all. The activists are all for passing a gun law the day before this or any other event, because they know the issue and have a position. It's the public who isn't paying attention until it leads the headlines. The politicians are the sane people in this senario where the voters are hypocrites and neurotic.