What do we really know about Osama Bin Laden's death?

[HawktimusPrime]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...en’s-death/ar-AAftW0F?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=DELLDHP

This was a story that was so good it didn’t need to be fictionalized, or so it seemed. It began with a series of C.I.A.-led torture sessions, which the movie suggested provided the crucial break in the hunt for bin Laden. Only they didn’t, at least according to a report conducted over the course of many years by the Senate Intelligence Committee (and others with access to classified information). Senator Dianne Feinstein, who oversaw the report as the committee’s chairwoman, said she walked out of a screening of the film. ‘‘I couldn’t handle it,’’ she said. ‘‘Because it’s so false.’’ The filmmakers’ intent had presumably been to tell a nuanced story — the ugly truth of how we found bin Laden — but in so doing, they seem to have perpetuated a lie.

It’s not that the truth about bin Laden’s death is unknowable; it’s that we don’t know it. And we can’t necessarily console ourselves with the hope that we will have more answers any time soon; to this day, the final volume of the C.I.A.’s official history of the Bay of Pigs remains classified. We don’t know what happened more than a half-century ago, much less in 2011.

There are different ways to control a narrative. There’s the old-fashioned way: Classify documents that you don’t want seen and, as Gates said, ‘‘keep mum on the details.’’ But there’s also the more modern, social-media-savvy approach: Tell the story you want them to believe. Silence is one way to keep a secret. Talking is another. And they are not mutually exclusive.

‘‘I love the notion that the government isn’t riddled with secrecy,’’ Hersh told me toward the end of our long day together. ‘‘Are you kidding me? They keep more secrets than you can possibly think. There’s stuff going on right now that I know about — amazing stuff that’s going on. I’ll write about it when I can. There’s stuff going out right now, amazing stuff in the Middle East. Are you kidding me? Of course there is. Of course there is.’’

 

[fredjr82]

 

[HawktimusPrime]

We have no physical evidence Fred, and Ciggy. We only have word of mouth, which seems to be dwindling everyday. As people come to admit, that they never saw anything, and that they just heard from others,...and so on, and so on.

I found this passage to be INTERESTING.

"It’s hard to overstate the degree to which the killing of Osama bin Laden transformed American politics. From a purely practical standpoint, it enabled Obama to recast himself as a bold leader, as opposed to an overly cautious one, in advance of his 2012 re-election campaign. This had an undeniable impact on the outcome of that election. (‘‘Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive,’’ Joe Biden was fond of boasting on the campaign trail.) Strategically, the death of bin Laden allowed Obama to declare victory over Al Qaeda, giving him the cover he needed to begin phasing U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. And it almost single-handedly redeemed the C.I.A., turning a decade-long failure of intelligence into one of the greatest triumphs in the history of the agency."

 

[fredjr82]

We have no physical evidence Fred, and Ciggy. We only have word of mouth, which seems to be dwindling everyday. As people come to admit, that they never saw anything, and that they just heard from others,...and so on, and so on.

I found this passage to be INTERESTING.

"It’s hard to overstate the degree to which the killing of Osama bin Laden transformed American politics. From a purely practical standpoint, it enabled Obama to recast himself as a bold leader, as opposed to an overly cautious one, in advance of his 2012 re-election campaign. This had an undeniable impact on the outcome of that election. (‘‘Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive,’’ Joe Biden was fond of boasting on the campaign trail.) Strategically, the death of bin Laden allowed Obama to declare victory over Al Qaeda, giving him the cover he needed to begin phasing U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. And it almost single-handedly redeemed the C.I.A., turning a decade-long failure of intelligence into one of the greatest triumphs in the history of the agency."

Two things.

1. If he died in 2001 from Marfan Syndrome (OiT's stance) then I assume GWB would have been touting his death. Saddam was #1 for GWB, but Osama became #2 after 9/11. If Osama would have really died in a cave somewhere the US citizens would have known about it.

2. If he wasn't really shot dead on that night in 2011, why haven't any videos been released? If Osama bin Laden is still walking around this earth someone somewhere would have posted about it on social media by now or he would have released a video. He would want to provide strength to those still fighting against the West, and him being silent doesn't provide that strength.

Sorry, Hawktimus I know you want this to be true so you can feel like the smartest guy in the room but the reality is you sound as dumb as OiT. But it's your thread so keep the narrative going if you find the topic interesting. I just don't share that opinion.

 

[jscott78]

We have no physical evidence Fred, and Ciggy. We only have word of mouth, which seems to be dwindling everyday. As people come to admit, that they never saw anything, and that they just heard from others,...and so on, and so on.

I found this passage to be INTERESTING.

"It’s hard to overstate the degree to which the killing of Osama bin Laden transformed American politics. From a purely practical standpoint, it enabled Obama to recast himself as a bold leader, as opposed to an overly cautious one, in advance of his 2012 re-election campaign. This had an undeniable impact on the outcome of that election. (‘‘Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive,’’ Joe Biden was fond of boasting on the campaign trail.) Strategically, the death of bin Laden allowed Obama to declare victory over Al Qaeda, giving him the cover he needed to begin phasing U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. And it almost single-handedly redeemed the C.I.A., turning a decade-long failure of intelligence into one of the greatest triumphs in the history of the agency."

The Bittermen strike, baby, because OBAMA got him! Obama got him.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

JFC. Even AQ admitted when UBL was killed.

The Obama derangement syndrome is strong in the OP ...

 

[HawktimusPrime]

The Bittermen strike, baby, because OBAMA got him! Obama got him.

^^^This post right here is why other countries think we are stupid people. Take it as an example of how dumb not to be. Not a Republican, as said many times.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

JFC. Even AQ admitted when UBL was killed.

The Obama derangement syndrome is strong in the OP ...

So you trust AQ now? Interesting. I'm sure the fact that they said this is backed by hard proof and absolutely undeniable statement.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

^^^This post right here is why other countries think we are stupid people. Take it as an example of how dumb not to be. Not a Republican, as said many times.

Me winning isn't. You do.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

JFC. Even AQ admitted when UBL was killed.

The Obama derangement syndrome is strong in the OP ...

St. Louis by the way is so much dumber without me no longer being there, and you still dumbing it up.

 

[fredjr82]

JFC. Even AQ admitted when UBL was killed.

The Obama derangement syndrome is strong in the OP ...

AQ is funded by Obama and the CIA. They're part of the Muslim Brotherhood and are instructed what to do by Obama.

/OiT

You just can't argue with conspiracy theorists. They're not "boxed in" by boundaries. No matter how much you think you've got their arguments debunked they can come up with something even crazier and allow the argument to continue.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Me winning isn't. You do.

Yes, now in english please.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

AQ is funded by Obama and the CIA. They're part of the Muslim Brotherhood and are instructed what to do by Obama.

/OiT

You just can't argue with conspiracy theorists. They're not "boxed in" by boundaries. No matter how much you think you've got their arguments debunked they can come up with something even crazier and allow the argument to continue.

Actually AQ was in fact funded by the CIA, that's not up for debate, and even the Pentagon admits that. You can't make how stupid you are up is more accurate Fred.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?


Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.


Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?


B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.


Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?


B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

AQ is funded by Obama and the CIA. They're part of the Muslim Brotherhood and are instructed what to do by Obama.

/OiT

You just can't argue with conspiracy theorists. They're not "boxed in" by boundaries. No matter how much you think you've got their arguments debunked they can come up with something even crazier and allow the argument to continue.

You haven't debunked a #$#$ thing Fred. Not even once have you ever debunked anything. Show me the physical evidence Fred. Just ONE LITTLE PIECE, that PROVES, the Bin Laden Story. ANYTHING.

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

So you trust AQ now? Interesting. I'm sure the fact that they said this is backed by hard proof and absolutely undeniable statement.

You can't be this obtuse ....

 

[fredjr82]

You can't make how stupid you are up is more accurate Fred.

Calling someone stupid through that broken of a sentence is pretty impressive. Takes one to know one, I guess.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?


Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.


Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?


B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.


Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?


B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

The US supporting the Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviets, may have brought the together the means of the rise of AQ. But nobody in the late 70s early 80s would have predicted that our support directly created the group of individuals that flew planes into the WTC 20 years after the fact. Not to mention that Obama wasn't president back then so Obama hasn't been funding AQ like you and OiT would like us to believe. But then again arguing with a conspiracy theorists is pointless.

 

[unsubstantiated]

St. Louis by the way is so much dumber without me no longer being there, and you still dumbing it up.

Yes, now in english please.

LOL, the OP never disappoints...

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You can't be this obtuse ....

Answer the question. Can anything from AQ be trusted? If you look, The only thing you're going to find is a supposed entry into a 'jihadist' forum. Other than that, there is no hard evidence whatsoever.

 

[fredjr82]

You haven't debunked a #$#$ thing Fred. Not even once have you ever debunked anything. Show me the physical evidence Fred. Just ONE LITTLE PIECE, that PROVES, the Bin Laden Story. ANYTHING.

You seem really angry about this. Yelling even.

Here's a picture of OBL dead. It's about as much proof as your article provided us that he's still alive. No matter what evidence I provide you, you're not going to change your mind. Tell us again how smart you really are!!

WHOOPS!!! WRONG PICTURE.

The sad part is you'll probably post this pic tomorrow in hopes of convincing us that OBL and Obama went to college together and were actually roommates.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Calling someone stupid through that broken of a sentence is pretty impressive. Takes one to know one, I guess.



The US supporting the Mujahideen who were fighting the Soviets, may have brought the together the means of the rise of AQ. But nobody in the late 70s early 80s would have predicted that our support directly created the group of individuals that flew planes into the WTC 20 years after the fact. Not to mention that Obama wasn't president back then so Obama hasn't been funding AQ like you and OiT would like us to believe. But then again arguing with a conspiracy theorists is pointless.

It wasn't our support that turned the tides Fred, it was the turning of our backs that did that. So yes, you can predict that when you ##$ someone over that they're likely not going to be too happy and want vindication.
I don't play the Obama is a muslim and supporting AQ card Fred. That's not my argument. My argument is that OUR government, particularly the Pentagon, CIA, etc, are the ones who organize this all. The person in charge at the time is usually just a patsy, except if you're a Bush.
Again, you fail to get past this left vs right BS, and you're not doing yourself any favors by continuing that.

 

[22*43*51]

 

[fredjr82]

It wasn't our support that turned the tides Fred, it was the turning of our backs that did that. So yes, you can predict that when you ##$ someone over that they're likely not going to be too happy and want vindication.
I don't play the Obama is a muslim and supporting AQ card Fred. That's not my argument. My argument is that OUR government, particularly the Pentagon, CIA, etc, are the ones who organize this all. The person in charge at the time is usually just a patsy, except if you're a Bush.
Again, you fail to get past this left vs right BS, and you're not doing yourself any favors by continuing that.

blah, blah, blah I'm a Libertarian. blah, blah, blah that makes me smarter than everyone else.

OP is so predictable it hurts. Just because you fall hook, line, and sinker for conspiracy theory articles doesn't make you some type of intellect. It makes you a dipshit that nobody takes seriously which you can certainly see from this thread.

We'll all be waiting with bated-breath for your next earth shattering find.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

You seem really angry about this. Yelling even.

Here's a picture of OBL dead. It's about as much proof as your article provided us that he's still alive. No matter what evidence I provide you, you're not going to change your mind. Tell us again how smart you really are!!

WHOOPS!!! WRONG PICTURE.

The sad part is you'll probably post this pic tomorrow in hopes of convincing us that OBL and Obama went to college together and were actually roommates.

You're arguing with the wrong poster Fred. Again, you're so tied up in the left vs right idiocy, that when someone speaks something that falls outside that BS, you can't comprehend it. You're useless, until you grow up and start thinking outside the box. Or to be more accurate, using some common sense.

-No body
-no photos
-no video(despite the infamous pic of everyone watching the raid.)
-White House said the video feed cut out
-Pentagon admits there are no photos
-DNA evidence spoken of, but not shown to public
-Pakistan itself says that the raid was a lie
-Seal Team members killed in Afghanistan, despite what DC says, you can't be sure it wasn't the very same team.
-MULTIPLE discrepancies in the story
-MULTIPLE interpretations of the story

Prove that i'm wrong on any of this, and you won't just be some idiot trying to argue without evidence. Just one thing Fred. That is all it will take to prove you have some evidence to back your BS.

 

[fredjr82]

OP can tell this has been shopped. He's kind of an expert and identifying pixels and this picture has clearly been shopped. Probably by Obama and AQ

 

[SSG T]

Yes, now in english please.

The fact that you don't recognize that reference should be enough to get you banned.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

blah, blah, blah I'm a Libertarian. blah, blah, blah that makes me smarter than everyone else.

OP is so predictable it hurts. Just because you fall hook, line, and sinker for conspiracy theory articles doesn't make you some type of intellect. It makes you a dipshit that nobody takes seriously which you can certainly see from this thread.

We'll all be waiting with bated-breath for your next earth shattering find.

Blah, blah, blah. I get owned by Prime every debate we have. Blah, blah, blah Prime actually researches these things, and I just talk out of my arse. Just prove one thing wrong that I listed Fred, just one. Let me guess how you're going to go about NOT doing this.............

 

[HawktimusPrime]

OP can tell this has been shopped. He's kind of an expert and identifying pixels and this picture has clearly been shopped. Probably by Obama and AQ

At least this photo actually exists..........

 

[strummingram]

I think it's simply easier for people to believe he was killed by the "official story." They believe all the other official stories, why break precedence?

Woulda been nice to have seen a photo at least. You'd think if you'd nailed PE #1 that you'd want more proof than hearsay about it. Didn't they have footage of Khaddafi and Saddam Hussein being executed? I dunno... he;s dead, so it doesn't really matter. Let the D's think their leader did it and the R's can alway say they're glad that Obama did that much right.

I don't believe he was killed by Seal team 6, but, then again, I don't believe anything the government says... nada. I don't trust Al Qaeda, and I don't trust any of the media. I mean, these people are famous for, as they like to call it, "disinformation." Their entire history is littered with lie after lie. They probably tell some truths, but, I know when it's raining without them having to tell me.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

The fact that you don't recognize that reference should be enough to get you banned.

Never seen Caddyshack at an age I was old enough to remember anything from it. We all have our flaws.

 

[fredjr82]

Blah, blah, blah. I get owned by Prime every debate we have. Blah, blah, blah Prime actually researches these things, and I just talk out of my arse. Just prove one thing wrong that I listed Fred, just one. Let me guess how you're going to go about NOT doing this.............

This shoe has been identified as OBLs by many top AQ members Checkmate bitch.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

I think it's simply easier for people to believe he was killed by the "official story." They believe all the other official stories, why break precedence?

Woulda been nice to have seen a photo at least. You'd think if you'd nailed PE #1 that you'd want more proof than hearsay about it. Didn't they have footage of Khaddafi and Saddam Hussein being executed? I dunno... he;s dead, so it doesn't really matter. Let the D's think their leader did it and the R's can alway say they're glad that Obama did that much right.

I don't believe he was killed by Seal team 6, but, then again, I don't believe anything the government says... nada. I don't trust Al Qaeda, and I don't trust any of the media. I mean, these people are famous for, as they like to call it, "disinformation." Their entire history is littered with lie after lie. They probably tell some truths, but, I know when it's raining without them having to tell me.

This is truly a great forum we have here. Entertaining is the least of its great qualities, and it is as entertaining as a forum as I've ever been part of.
That being said, I will say only this. If there is anyone who doesn't at least have a question or two about the official story, depending on which one you consider official, then I would have to wonder why. I'll leave this one alone, as it seems to bring out a myriad of emotions amongst the fellas here.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

This shoe has been identified as OBLs by many top AQ members Checkmate bitch.

Personally, I'd like to see someone take up the challenge that was laid out. I myself have always had a fascination with how the whole ordeal was rolled out to the public. I remember the moment it was announced, and truly interesting time in recent history.

 

[fredjr82]

Blah, blah, blah. I get owned by Prime every debate we have. Blah, blah, blah Prime actually researches these things, and I just talk out of my arse. Just prove one thing wrong that I listed Fred, just one. Let me guess how you're going to go about NOT doing this.............

I think it's simply easier for people to believe he was killed by the "official story." They believe all the other official stories, why break precedence?

YAY!!!! Now Aegon's dad has shown up. Aegon can't fight his own battles so when the little guy is up against the wall, his HROT dad shows up and holds his hand. Thanks dad!!! Little Aegon is really appreciative of you trying to bail him out yet again.

 

[fredjr82]

Personally, I'd like to see someone take up the challenge that was laid out. I myself have always had a fascination with how the whole ordeal was rolled out to the public. I remember the moment it was announced, and truly interesting time in recent history.

We've already provided the same amount of relevant evidence that the OP did. If you really find it fascinating then head over to Google and do your own research.

Here's what I'll say about it. Why does it matter? Is OBL still a problem? Is proving he was dumped at sea going to provide you some type of closure? Does AQ or terrorists in general just vanish from the Earth if we prove he was killed in 2011 and buried at sea?

OP doesn't really care. He loves the attention he gets by these type of threads. He's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

YAY!!!! Now Aegon's dad has shown up. Aegon can't fight his own battles so when the little guy is up against the wall, his HROT dad shows up and holds his hand. Thanks dad!!! Little Aegon is really appreciative of you trying to bail him out yet again.

Are you missing the part where you are completely failing to disprove at least one point? Are you also going to write the writer of the article and ask him what he was trying to imply?

What do you think of these two paragraphs, without being what you are, a silly billy, see what you take from it.

Then there was the sheer improbability of the story, which asked us to believe that Obama sent 23 SEALs on a seemingly suicidal mission, invading Pakistani air space without air or ground cover, fast-roping into a compound that, if it even contained bin Laden, by all rights should have been heavily guarded. And according to the official line, all of this was done without any sort of cooperation or even assurances from the Pakistani military or intelligence service. How likely was that? Abbottabad is basically a garrison town; the conspicuously large bin Laden compound — three stories, encircled by an 18-foot-high concrete wall topped with barbed wire — was less than two miles from Pakistan’s equivalent of West Point. And what about the local police? Were they really unaware that an enormous American helicopter had crash-landed in their neighborhood? And why were we learning so much about a covert raid by a secret special-operations unit in the first place?

American history is filled with war stories that subsequently unraveled. Consider the Bush administration’s false claims about Saddam Hussein’s supposed arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. Or the imagined attack on a U.S. vessel in the Gulf of Tonkin. During the Bay of Pigs, the government inflated the number of fighters it dispatched to Cuba in hopes of encouraging local citizens to rise up and join them. When the operation failed, the government quickly deflated the number, claiming that it hadn’t been an invasion at all but rather a modest attempt to deliver supplies to local guerrillas. More recently, the Army reported that the ex-N.F.L. safety Pat Tillman was killed by enemy fire, rather than acknowledging that he was accidentally shot in the head by a machine-gunner from his own unit.

 

[lucas80]

I didn't waste the brain cells to really read this thread. OP, are you saying UBL isn't dead, or that he is dead, but it wasn't the US that killed him?
Why would he choose to pretend to be dead when his whole life was running al Queda?

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

We've already provided the same amount of relevant evidence that the OP did. If you really find it fascinating then head over to Google and do your own research.

Here's what I'll say about it. Why does it matter? Is OBL still a problem? Is proving he was dumped at sea going to provide you some type of closure? Does AQ or terrorists in general just vanish from the Earth if we prove he was killed in 2011 and buried at sea?

OP doesn't really care. He loves the attention he gets by these type of threads. He's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

I suppose I can give a few of my opinions on this since you asked. I believe the OP's claims are simply that there is no proof. I can only say that I personally can't find anything asked for.
The reason it should matter is because of trust. Let us say that the truth hasn't been shared with the public, in any amount really. Is there a good explanation for why that is? If there is some mistruth to all the stories, if not all of them, then that is a problem with trust.
Of course OBL is not still a problem. He stopped being a problem way before 2011. Enough to the point that GW himself said he wasn't worried about him.
To answer your inquiry about the dumping at the sea, yes. It would provide some closure, because the complete lack of transparency about this, just doesn't make sense. So much talk, yet so little evidence to support it.
Whether the OP is trolling is something only they know. I will say that those who ask questions when there are questions to be asked aren't likely to be as dull as you say. You seem pretty intelligent, do you not at least wonder about some of it? Or are you content with just trusting in what you were told?

 

[fredjr82]

Consider the Bush administration’s false claims about Saddam Hussein’s supposed arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.

LOL!!! So because Bush lied about WMD that automatically means Obama is lying about OBL's death.

Think about this for a second, don't you think if Obama actually was lying about killing OBL SOMEONE, ANYONE would have been able to prove it in the 4 1/2 years since his death? You have many examples in your second paragraph of liars being caught saying something that was false, yet nobody has any real concrete evidence that Obama wasn't the person responsible for killing OBL. This is pointless rhetoric on my part, because you in your mind you're already correct and everyone else is wrong. So please continue this charade if it makes you feel better. A majority of us don't agree with you but that's never stopped you in the past.

 

[strummingram]

We've already provided the same amount of relevant evidence that the OP did. If you really find it fascinating then head over to Google and do your own research.

Here's what I'll say about it. Why does it matter? Is OBL still a problem? Is proving he was dumped at sea going to provide you some type of closure? Does AQ or terrorists in general just vanish from the Earth if we prove he was killed in 2011 and buried at sea?

OP doesn't really care. He loves the attention he gets by these type of threads. He's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.

Well, it it would basically prove how so much of this sh*t is contrived and embellished in order to keep our military and other influence in the area for the natural resources. Then, when you look at the legislation and actions that have occurred domestically- the NSA, TSA, The Patriot Act and others that continue to usurp and limit our civil liberties- it's more of an awareness of how we're being lied to and then restricted based on the lies. Osama bin Laden could have been dead for 20 years, it wouldn't matter. Our government's relationship with propping these people up and then sending full scale invasions against them later is just bad policy.

Most Americans would never accept that the government they've been taught to trust, since birth, would ever betray them. The reality is, that's exactly what government's always do.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I didn't waste the brain cells to really read this thread. OP, are you saying UBL isn't dead, or that he is dead, but it wasn't the US that killed him?
Why would he choose to pretend to be dead when his whole life was running al Queda?

OBL was already dead. The raid was something else entirely. It was meant for another target, and when the Helo went down they quickly came up with a story, and attached OBL to it. Two birds, one stone. The boogeyman is gone, the real intent of the raid is also wiped away by the first stone. This goes right along with pulling out from Afghanistan, and now that ISIS is soon to rise up, OBL is no longer needed to be the face of terror.

No evidence left to be questioned, and no argument from anyone, because only those involved know what the intent really was. The books, the stories, they all have different content, and yet none offer any concrete proof of anything. You could say that this is used to boost Obama standing, but the wise will tell you, that there was a bigger agenda behind it. To prove that our meddling over there, accomplished the mission that it took 10 years to accomplish, which will also further validate expansion, which is already happening.

The remaining troops in afghanistan have just been put on further detail. Just announced today.