This isn't about Obama Fred, get past that. I don't give a rats arse about Obama. He's just a puppet, nothing more.
What do we really know about Osama Bin Laden's death?
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Thanks dad, you have a better way of explaining these things. LOL. I'll get my visceral nature in check, I promise. Just don't take away my toys.
I love when Prime/Aegon pretends that he isn't part of the "establishment" and he is a "libertarian."
Hilarious.
Hilarious.
Well here's the thing Fred,.....You've admitted that government lies. But you don't at least wonder why the information was so inconsistent for this topic, eh?Well thank God you and Prime are here to keep the rest of us in check
Coming from the resident sociopath, I'll take that as a compliment. Kicked any puppies today Iowa?
There are plenty more than just the two of us. Most of us have good intuition and that intuition tells us "They don't give a sh*t about us, let alone me." But, our minds have learned it's important to be popular and not be derided as strange, or be called crazy, or nuts, or anything else that would make us appear inferior, or operating outside of popular opinion. I've just learned to be impervious to the name-calling and trust my instinct.Well thank God you and Prime are here to keep the rest of us in check
OK. Fair enough. If he died in 2001 SOMEONE, ANYONE would have said something. Again for as much as you think you're smarter than our government you sure give them a lot credit for keeping these large scale events secret from the American people.
Someone did, the Taliban supposedly confirmed it. Though, of course it can't be substantiated.It is curious that his article was ran at the time it was. So since some people trust terrorists, here you go. I of course question it, but it's something right?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html
Report: Bin Laden Already Dead
Published December 26, 2001
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Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.
"The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
Bin Laden, according to the source, was suffering from a serious lung complication and succumbed to the disease in mid-December, in the vicinity of the Tora Bora mountains. The source claimed that bin Laden was laid to rest honorably in his last abode and his grave was made as per his Wahabi belief.
About 30 close associates of bin Laden in Al Qaeda, including his most trusted and personal bodyguards, his family members and some "Taliban friends," attended the funeral rites. A volley of bullets was also fired to pay final tribute to the "great leader."
The Taliban source who claims to have seen bin Laden's face before burial said "he looked pale ... but calm, relaxed and confident."
There's a difference between what you just typed and what you've written on here before. The problem I have with your stance is that you seem to think the government is ALWAYS playing the role of "bad guy". You got your mind so made up that the government is out to too wrong by you that you can't see the forest for the trees. You'll have to excuse me if I don't follow blindly into your "Everything about the government is evil" argument that you always seem to want to portray.
I can add this to the conversation. I have a very good friend who was a contractor for the Air Force and was on the main base in Afghanistan the night Bin Laden was killed. He and his team were migrating servers that night when network activity exploded. Terabytes of data was streaming in. It was all encrypted and not accessible to them, of course, but it was highly unusual activity.
The next day they heard about Bin Laden being taken down. He coupled the network activity (most likely video) with a ton of flights and came to the assumption that the Bin Laden raid happened as we have been told. Either that or the government took extraordinary steps to fake it.
The next day they heard about Bin Laden being taken down. He coupled the network activity (most likely video) with a ton of flights and came to the assumption that the Bin Laden raid happened as we have been told. Either that or the government took extraordinary steps to fake it.
Huh. Weird. Al Qaeda confirmed his death on May 6th, 2011. Maybe he died twice? I wonder which one we should believe?
This is my whole point from my first post down to this one. Your evidence has no more "proof" than mine does. No matter how much you or your dad want to believe the "big bad government" is just stringing us along you can't prove anything of substance yet, you want to be some Billy Joe Badass and insist we post our evidence because some MSN article you found is gospel in your mind.
So why don't you do us all a favor and have a coke and a smile and stfu.
No, they're not always insidious, absolutely not. And, you're less likely to find individuals in government who are lethal and maligned, or have a malicious intent. But, government is an institution, and institutions have self-preservation instincts, too. And, those instincts are not always conducive to the true well-being of it's people, it's to the well being of the government itself. And, as far as trusting what they say, or what their PR source called the media says? No, I don't trust them. I have self-preservation instincts, too. Not trusting what they SAY is one of the stronger instincts!
Sounds like a pretty shitty way to go about life. I'd be tapping that sweet piece of dark meat you claim to be dating rather than coming up with crazy lies I think the government is telling people.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
I think you're putting too much emphasis on the instinct. Being aware doesn't mean being obsessed.
I don't come up with the lies, either. I just don't believe them. I'm more shocked by people taking them at their word! They've been proven to be habitual liars and always hypocrites throughout human history.
Yes Barack Hussien Obama got out of the Chopper went in and shot him himself. That Doucher couldn't win a water pistol fight with a 3 year old cripple.
The only thing you're tapping is the fork to your plate Fred. You're just too much of a pu$$y to admit your argument has no merit.
I was at a base in Virginia just like that, and I saw no difference in traffic. If he saw it that's fine, but that doesn't prove anything. It could have been about the raid sure, but that doesn't mean Bin Laden was there.
You really think him not trusting something that has lied numerous times is a shitty way to go about life? Get some exercise, go be a man in some fashion and quit being such a pussy Fred.
The day you make the lack of gullibility, the courage to question, and having no problem speaking up to authority as a bad thing, then you might as well off yourself.
Human spirit, go get some.
Ready to concede defeat Fred? You haven't been able to supply me with anything that negates my claims.
According to other people involved yes he is. What do we really know about him Tom? How can we take his word when he was NEVER supposed to write this in the first place. There's nothing to confirm that he was part of the raid.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-book-ex-SEAL-NOT-accurate-says-Pentagon.html
- Admiral William McRaven, the head of U.S. special operations has personally re-examined the claims made by ex-SEAL Matt Bissonnette regarding Osama bin Laden's final moments
- After interviewing Bissonnette's former Navy SEAL colleagues the admiral concluded that the author of 'No Easy Day' was incorrect in his account of bin Laden's death
- It has been reported that those former colleagues are furious with Bissonnette and have cast him out of their tightly knit circle
I've already bitch slapped you up and down this thread. You're dad came in and tried to save your ass but even he was unsuccessful. If me conceding makes you feel like less of a failure, by all means tell yourself that your arguments were more relevant than mine. You've always been under the assumption that your opinion was an actual fact so I doubt anything I say here is going to change that.
If you bitch slapped me you may want to put an iron glove on next time, because I've felt nothing but a gentle breeze playfully whisk across my posts. You have been defeated, you have been shown as wanting, and Prime once again owns you. If my opinion is just an opinion, then surely you can find a fact that goes against my opinion.
Accept your defeat.
Here's what we know so far from you dynamite posts.
Some people say he was buried at sea, some say there is no evidence.
AQ said he died in 2001, but they also confirmed his death in 2011
Some people say they have seen the photos of this death, some say they don't exist
DNA tests confirmed it was OBL, some say they never occurred
Should I keep going? For every argument you've made there is a counter argument. The burden of proof is on you just as much to PROVE that he died in 2001, that this was some other sinister act and we weren't going after OBL, that the no actual helicopter was burned to the ground or whatever other dumbshit idea you've cooked up in that lump that's three feet above your ass. You started the thread yet you expect other people to do your research for you. If you start the thread why not have something other than an article from MSN about whether or not anyone has ever seen the pictures of his dead body or not?
So I'll say it again, you've had your ass whooped once again like so many times in the past. Maybe it would be best if you just quit talking for awhile.
So you concede to the fact, that there is no proof either way, Ergo, there is no proof for the official story. Yes you should keep going, you're proving my point every time you post. I love the ol' "well I'm not going to research because I can't disprove anything by doing so routine.", that is defeat at its finest. Fred once again falls to the superior Prime.
Prime wins, Fred fizzles as usual. Game over, the defeat of Fred was epic. Make like your gif and drink this one off buddy.
I haven't let you drag me down just yet, so we can continue arguing if you'd like. Accept your defeat.
Oh...so NOW you're going to believe the Pentagon. Got it.
I'd say the burden of proof is on those who claim they killed him. I've seen no evidence at all. I've seen hearsay.
If I were on a jury and the defendants were Seal Team 6, being charged with murder, I'd have to find them not guilty. Even with the confession (book)... I don't see the proof to back it up. Kinda like the confession they got out of the kid in the Paradise Lost murders. It was a false confession. Either way, I don't see any proof that he was, in fact, killed on the date they claim. No body! No proof of a dead body, even. Kinda hard to have a murder without the body. "We dumped it at sea." No body, no corpse? In a court of law, it would be pretty tough to convict someone of murder without a corpse!
If I were on a jury and the defendants were Seal Team 6, being charged with murder, I'd have to find them not guilty. Even with the confession (book)... I don't see the proof to back it up. Kinda like the confession they got out of the kid in the Paradise Lost murders. It was a false confession. Either way, I don't see any proof that he was, in fact, killed on the date they claim. No body! No proof of a dead body, even. Kinda hard to have a murder without the body. "We dumped it at sea." No body, no corpse? In a court of law, it would be pretty tough to convict someone of murder without a corpse!
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