Where are all the guns fueling this violence coming from? Who is buying up the drugs coming in from Mexico?
What Mexico has been doing
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Scheinbaum is in for a tough time. Trump hates women who stand up to him.
Mexican President’s Harsh Takedown of Trump Exposes an Ugly MAGA Scam
Claudia Sheinbaum’s response to Trump’s threat of tariffs revealed truths that the president-elect doesn’t want Americans to know.newrepublic.com
Mexican President’s Harsh Takedown of Trump Exposes an Ugly MAGA Scam
Claudia Sheinbaum’s response to Trump’s threat of tariffs revealed truths that the president-elect doesn’t want Americans to know.
It's almost as if you hope Mexico gets a better deal than the United States.
If this is going to be the liberal playbook, it's going to be a long 4 years.
If this is going to be the liberal playbook, it's going to be a long 4 years.
Still have your brow all furrowed trying to figure out where all the guns fueling violence in Mexico come from, and trying to figure out who is buying the drugs that transit through Mexico?
…5 decapitated bodies found on road in Mexico, heads discovered in bag nearby
5 decapitated bodies found on road in Mexico, heads discovered in bag nearby
The violence in Jalisco is blamed chiefly on the Jalisco Nueva Generacion Cartel (CJNG), one of Mexico's most powerful and violent criminal groups.www.cbsnews.com
My parents live in Alamo, right next to McAllen, and they go to Mexico all the time.
Now do the US.5 decapitated bodies found on road in Mexico, heads discovered in bag nearby
5 decapitated bodies found on road in Mexico, heads discovered in bag nearby
The violence in Jalisco is blamed chiefly on the Jalisco Nueva Generacion Cartel (CJNG), one of Mexico's most powerful and violent criminal groups.
What Mexico has been doing
https://newrepublic.com/article/188854/mexico-sheinbaum-responds-trump-tariffs
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Don’t forget the Canadians. Last year was a 17 year high for illegal entry intercepts for the Northern border and those appended came from 97 countries.I believe the threat of decreasing the competitiveness of Mexican imports will be an enormous lever.
Can you envision of a more powerful one? Please share your ideas.
On what basis do you assert Mexico blocking central Americans from south of Mexico constitute a 'tiny' proporton of the problem?
Are you unaware that Nicaragua dropped visa requirements, and has become an international hub for people to transit to the U.S. illegally?
Until 2012, over 85 percent of migrants whom Border Patrol apprehended were citizens of Mexico. By 2019, that had fallen to 20 percent; Mexican migrants made up 33 percent in fiscal year 2022 (October 2021-September 2022), and 28 percent in October 2022.
Just looking at the October '22 numbers:
Mexico - 28%
Americas South of Mexico - 64%
Overseas - 8%
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
The labor rate difference alone is so great that I doubt a 25% tariff would be enough to convince most businesses to shift production back to the US. The average UAW autoworker in the US makes $28/hour. The average in Mexico is like $3. Similar gaps exist for CNC operators, skilled trades, etc. Then factor in benefits, real estate/PPE costs, transition costs, etc.I believe the threat of decreasing the competitiveness of Mexican imports will be an enormous lever.
Can you envision of a more powerful one? Please share your ideas.
On what basis do you assert Mexico blocking central Americans from south of Mexico constitute a 'tiny' proporton of the problem?
Are you unaware that Nicaragua dropped visa requirements, and has become an international hub for people to transit to the U.S. illegally?
Until 2012, over 85 percent of migrants whom Border Patrol apprehended were citizens of Mexico. By 2019, that had fallen to 20 percent; Mexican migrants made up 33 percent in fiscal year 2022 (October 2021-September 2022), and 28 percent in October 2022.
Just looking at the October '22 numbers:
Mexico - 28%
Americas South of Mexico - 64%
Overseas - 8%
You might get businesses to move back whose unit cost structure is <20% labor or who have immediate capacity in the US. Any more than that and it likely makes sense to stay put in MX. Then again, businesses with a low % of labor in their product cost don’t employee than many people.
If you are an affected business you also have to believe those tariffs are permanent, because the payback on large scale capital investment typically takes years and you likely have long term lease/capital obligations in MX. So you are more than doubling the cost of certain inputs for a period of years.
Do you think the electorate, or the GOP congress has several years worth of patience with massive inflation?
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Correct. You can not expect to cool down Mexico's economy with tarriffs with out also expecting to heat up inflation in ours.
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I would submit if the stock prices are not hurt, they have the patience to pretend inflation isn't that bad and to blame Biden's economy for it while trying to get over the hump. Even if this is in year 3. And how much of the electorate goes along with the jig is debatable.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
This is why the Dems have to make this the central issue. Paint the picture vividly and repeatedly so that when sh*t goes off the rails it is obvious who the conductor at the helm is.
It has increased, but the annual total illegally entering from Canada isn’t even one month’s worth from Nicaragua.
Yep. Our Tier 1 units would love to go into Mexico and crush the cartels. And then keep them under control. And it wouldn’t take long to do it. It would be training to them.
Inflation is a general price increase, made possible by 'inflating' the supply of money, changing the equilibrium point between the supply of money (demand) and the supply of goods.
Raising the price of particular goods doesn't increase the supply of money, and thus doesn't cause inflation, because there isn't more money to buy everything else. Increasing the price of a particular good reduces the demand for that good, it doesn't cause inflation.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
You make an overly theoretical argument based on a completely abstracted macro view that ignores the common definition of inflation.
The definition of inflation is the increase in price of a particular basket of goods+services in a given economy. The CPI being the main one both the GOP and Dems use in the US. It is entirely possible for the CPI to go up as a result of tariffs without increasing money supply. This can happen by reducing the personal savings rate or lowering demand for financial instruments/derivatives (e.g. people sell the stock of a company whose demand is dropping). These and many other mechanisms to adjust people’s available cash to spend on CPI items are all included in your overly theoretical view, but they are not in the CPI.
The other outcome which i assume you implied is that as demand drops prices will come down. This works in a free market scenario, but tariffs are not a free market scenario…they involve intervention which lacks the flexibility of the market. It also doesn’t take into account the interconnected nature of global markets. Example: When Trump puts Tariffs on China, China responds by favoring ag products from Brazil.
In 2 years go ahead and tell someone that it is ok that the prices on the things they normally buy went up by 20%. Sure their savings account is smaller, their credit cards are maxed and their stock portfolio is worth less, but hey we didn’t print any new money.
The 'common definition' of inflation mistakes the symptom for the cause, which is a deliberate political deception.
Regardless, increasing the price of product X doesn't increase the money supply to allow for an increase in the price of all other goods. In reduces the money available (demand) for other goods.
To create an increase of the general price level you need to increase the supply of money, and tariffs don't do that.
In our current monetary system the increase of the money supply is built upon federal credit creation (growing federal debt). There's no net economic benefit to increasing the money supply, just the benefit enjoyed by those who get their hands on the new money first (Cantillion effect - easiest to understand as why a counterfeiter benefits from printing money for himself, but it doesn't benefit you).
Federal debt is the reserve asset upon which banks create new credit. If the Federal Reserve prints money to buy federal debt bank credit creation isn't even required to grow the money supply - the printing press does it. That was the source of the most recent surge of inflation.
The game of measuring only particular prices, and substituting different goods into the 'basket' when prices of other goods rise too much, is just a political effort to hide the consequences of inflating the money supply.
It's propaganda, not information.
I might be a little more willing to listen to Mexico get preachy after the first time they make it through an election cycle without literally dozens of candidates being murdered in the streets.
LOL, what? Go into a sovereign country and wage war? Kill the citizens of another country in an extrajudicial manner, not to mention the collateral damage of civilians in the crossfire or property damage, then sneak back across the border and pretend it wasn't us? Do that to a nation we have longstanding, good relations with?
How about we deal with the demand issue in the US, and choke off the money supply? Lots of narco money is happily spent in the US in polite circles. Go after that.
To their credit they've gone 100 years since the last time there wasn't a peaceful transfer of power. That beats the US.
They are a long standing partner, and a lot of their issues result from our drug problems flowing downhill on them. Trump wants adversaries to fuel the nut job base. Real leaders form partnerships.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
LOL. That was many paragraphs to make a semantic argument that will not matter to the everyday consumer. You are ignoring everyday realities to explain a hypothetical graph in a macroeconomics 101 textbook. I have taken numerous economics courses at both undergrad and grad levels. I understand all these mechanisms very clearly.
The point stands that CPI is our agreed upon measure and I guarantee-damn-tee you that the CPI will go up substantially (regardless of how much money is printed) if Trump enacts his full tariff promises.
Oh, and Trump is going to print beaucoup money my friend. He did his first term and he will again.
Okay, and what if Mexico doesn't like it? What if they stop all participation in multi-national efforts to fight the illegal drug trade, and decide to stand back on illegal immigration? What if they kill Americans crossing their border?
You know, aside from the blatant violations of international, and US law, this action would represent.
Answer this: What would Mexico have against the cartels being eliminated? Why would it bother them?
Pfft. That's why you put them on the terrorism list. Then you can invade and kill wherever you want.
So, the US shouldn't be alarmed or perturbed if the Mexican Army came across the US border and killed US citizens engaged in the transportation of illegal arms into Mexico? Is that your logic? We shouldn't be upset if innocents were caught in the crossfire?
I read a long news article a couple years back that claimed the Mexican Army could wipe out the drug cartels relatively easily but the Mexican government lacks the will to do it for various reasons.
Yet there are quite a few posters making different over theoretical arguments that you don't question.
