Whatever happened to.......

[DanL53]

Ricky Ledo? Rivals 6th ranked player in 2012.
Kaleb Tarczewski? 9th ranked player in 2012.
Rodney Purvis? 12th ranked in 2012.

One never played a second of college ball, although he did sit on a bench ineligible for a year. One transferred. One is entering his last season in college, and not once has averaged 10 ppg or 7 rebounds....but has had a decent career.

If anyone wants to keep going until they reach #50 Adam Woodbury I assure you, you will find many, many more examples that make Adam look like he turned out quite well!

 

[DanL53]

What the heck. Here are some more.

#18 Rasheed Sulaimon. Booted off the Duke team, now playing for Maryland.
#20 Danuel House. Transferred
#21 Winston Shepard. Playing his senior season, check out his stat lines.
#22 Devonta Pollard. Transferred
#26 DaJuan Coleman. Injury problems, another player to check out stats.
#28 Cameron Beidscheid. Multiple transfers
#29 Cameron Ridley. Check out his stats.

That's ten of the top thirty!!!!! Are we still to believe that #50 Adam Woodbury has been some major disappointment?

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate these expectations based on rankings? And then there is the fact that we know recruiting is not always "fair". Who knows how many we never had a shot at?

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

You need to stop bringing this Woody stuff up. Some of these players are still better than Woody.

Ledo was drafted...more than what will be said about Woodbury. Tarczewski has put up better career numbers than Woodbury even when competition for minutes have been stiff on his Arizona teams. Purvis is a reshirt Junior this year. He averaged more points last season than Woody has ever averaged. This was after he came back from a torn labrum.

 

[DanL53]

You need to stop bringing this Woody stuff up. Some of these players are still better than Woody.

Ledo was drafted...more than what will be said about Woodbury. Tarczewski has put up better career numbers than Woodbury even when competition for minutes have been stiff on his Arizona teams. Purvis is a reshirt Junior this year. He averaged more points last season than Woody has ever averaged. This was after he came back from a torn labrum.

Baloney! Ledo did nothing in college.....seriously, nothing! Tarczewski was ranked 9th in the country and his numbers are VERY comparable to Woody's. Purvis transferred, he does NOTHING for the team that recruited him.

And no, I don't need to stop bringing this "Woody stuff up". He's an Iowa Hawkeye, this is an Iowa Hawkeye site. If I don't like Woody bashing it's in my right to point out the idiocy of it.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

Baloney! Ledo did nothing in college.....seriously, nothing! Tarczewski was ranked 9th in the country and his numbers are VERY comparable to Woody's. Purvis transferred, he does NOTHING for the team that recruited him.

And no, I don't need to stop bringing this "Woody stuff up". He's an Iowa Hawkeye, this is an Iowa Hawkeye site. If I don't like Woody bashing it's in my right to point out the idiocy of it.

You're starting to sound like Kilroy. My point is, these highly ranked basketball players you named are better players than Woody regardless of their academic standing or transfer situations so the rankings did, to a larger extent, hold up. You're trying to create all these stipulations to make others believe that the rankings didn't hold up when in fact they did. Woody doesn't magically become a better player than Ledo because he played in college and Ledo didn't. Woody isn't a better basketball player than Danuel House because he transfered and Woody didn't.

 

[DanL53]

HawkAttack, I appreciate how much you value rankings. But I value wins/losses on the Iowa team. And you bet, I consider a guy not playing and then going pro, or a guy transferring out, to be worse than a player who has stuck around and played basketball.

 

[CyCity]

What the heck. Here are some more.

#18 Rasheed Sulaimon. Booted off the Duke team, now playing for Maryland.
#20 Danuel House. Transferred
#21 Winston Shepard. Playing his senior season, check out his stat lines.
#22 Devonta Pollard. Transferred
#26 DaJuan Coleman. Injury problems, another player to check out stats.
#28 Cameron Beidscheid. Multiple transfers
#29 Cameron Ridley. Check out his stats.

That's ten of the top thirty!!!!! Are we still to believe that #50 Adam Woodbury has been some major disappointment?

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate these expectations based on rankings? And then there is the fact that we know recruiting is not always "fair". Who knows how many we never had a shot at?

Sulaimon is really good and put up better numbers than Woodbury ever has every season at Duke.
House averaged 15 ppg last year
Shepard has averaged over 11ppg the last two seasons
Pollard averaged over 11ppg last season
Coleman has been a bust
Beidscheid has been a bust
Ridley is much better than Woodbury and his numbers prove it

 

[Cydkar]

Are we sure it isn't DanW?

 

[DanL53]

If only we had about five guys that committed, sat on the bench because they were ineligible, and then turned pro. And another five who transferred. Wow, what a team.

But I should add. ONLY if they were ranked in the top 30.

 

[CyCity]

If only we had about five guys that committed, sat on the bench because they were ineligible, and then turned pro. And another five who transferred. Wow, what a team.

Jarrod Uthoff transferred, better throw out his contributions in college out the window too. What a bust he's been

 

[DanL53]

Sulaimon is really good and put up better numbers than Woodbury ever has every season at Duke. (Thrown off team)
House averaged 15 ppg last year (I'm sure Houston appreciated it.....while he was playing for the Agies.)
Shepard has averaged over 11ppg the last two seasons (Shooting .407 and .412, and .298 and .184 from three.)
Pollard averaged over 11ppg last season (Alabama fans had to love that......wait, he transferred to Houston.)
Coleman has been a bust
Beidscheid has been a bust
Ridley is much better than Woodbury and his numbers prove it (8 ppg and 5.3 reb in similar min?)

 

[DanL53]

Jarrod Uthoff transferred, better throw out his contributions in college out the window too. What a bust he's been

To Wisconsin? Ask them.

 

[hawksense]

We all wished that Woody was another Raef LaFrentz. He wasn't.

None of us hoped for another Greg Helmers. He wasn't.

He can be both things. Some tend to see what he isn't and some see what he is. He's not an All American or All Big Ten player. He is a hard worker who's tried to win the hearts of his teammates and fans. He is not as skilled as some would like. As we all would like.

But, he's kept his nose clean and worked hard. What more does everyone want? At some point I want to scream at the Woody bashers, "Kiss my a**!!!". But it would do no good. Let's put this puppy to bed.

 

[DanL53]

Are we sure it isn't DanW?

No, just a guy that appreciates basketball. I get a little sick and tired of reading complaints about Woody after a 14 rebound performance where he shot 3-5 and contributed to holding a DII All-American to 19 points while taking 17 shots to get there.

 

[DanL53]

We all wished that Woody was another Raef LaFrentz. He wasn't.

None of us hoped for another Greg Helmers. He wasn't.

He can be both things. Some tend to see what he isn't and some see what he is. He's not an All American or All Big Ten player. He is a hard worker who's tried to win the hearts of his teammates and fans. He is not as skilled as some would like. As we all would like.

But, he's kept his nose clean and worked hard. What more does everyone want? At some point I want to scream at the Woody bashers, "Kiss my a**!!!". But it would do no good. Let's put this puppy to bed.

I started out agreeing but rather than put the puppy to bed I'd like to point out why the Woody bashers are idiots. Just plain, no nothing, idiots. I don't have the patience to read post after post complaining without firing back.

 

[CyCity]

To Wisconsin? Ask them.

You think Sulaimon was a bust at Duke? What about House at Houston? I'd take both those guys stints there over what Woodbury has done so far. That's not a knock on Woodbury either but just because a player transferred doesn't mean they weren't solid additions when they were there

 

[CyCity]

No, just a guy that appreciates basketball. I get a little sick and tired of reading complaints about Woody after a 14 rebound performance where he shot 3-5 and contributed to holding a DII All-American to 19 points while taking 17 shots to get there.

I don't think holding a D2 player to 19 points is going to help your cause against the Woodbury haters

 

[DanL53]

You think Sulaimon was a bust at Duke? What about House at Houston? I'd take both those guys stints there over what Woodbury has done so far. That's not a knock on Woodbury either but just because a player transferred doesn't mean they weren't solid additions when they were there

Yeah, transfers are great success stories. Especially ones who get thrown off their team first.

 

[clickhere 01]

You're starting to sound like Kilroy. My point is, these highly ranked basketball players you named are better players than Woody regardless of their academic standing or transfer situations so the rankings did, to a larger extent, hold up. You're trying to create all these stipulations to make others believe that the rankings didn't hold up when in fact they did. Woody doesn't magically become a better player than Ledo because he played in college and Ledo didn't. Woody isn't a better basketball player than Danuel House because he transfered and Woody didn't.

Ouch.That's gonna leave a mark.

 

[DanL53]

I don't think holding a D2 player to 19 points is going to help your cause against the Woodbury haters

I don't think a thing I say will sway a single Woodbury hater. They are idiots. Just like it takes an idiot to not understand that taking 17 shots to earn 19 points isn't anything special.

 

[CyCity]

I don't think a thing I say will sway a single Woodbury hater. They are idiots. Just like it takes an idiot to not understand that taking 17 shots to earn 19 points isn't anything special.

So what does it say about Gesell who took 17 shots to get 14 pts against a D2 team?

Shooting 47% from the floor and scoring 19 pts against D1 competition is pretty good.

 

[DanL53]

So what does it say about Gesell who took 17 shots to get 14 pts against a D2 team?

Shooting 47% from the floor and scoring 19 pts against D1 competition is pretty good.

I didn't say a thing about Gesell. Though his 9 assists were pretty nice.

And no, shooting 47% from the floor and scoring 19 points is not pretty good. Not to go with 4 rebounds, three turnovers and foul trouble. But if you want to get picky, in the 32 minutes Woodbury was on the court Jansen shot more like 46% and when Woodbury sat Jansen shot 50%.

 

[CyCity]

If you have a player average 19ppg and he shoots 47% from the floor he's going to be first team all conference. That's not pretty good that's really good. Uthoff is a very good player and shot 43% from the floor last year.

 

[hawk-i bob]

If you have a player average 19ppg and he shoots 47% from the floor he's going to be first team all conference. That's not pretty good that's really good. Uthoff is a very good player and shot 43% from the floor last year.

thanks for the all Cyclone wisdom.... .don't you have an ISU site you can go to?

 

[DanL53]

If you have a player average 19ppg and he shoots 47% from the floor he's going to be first team all conference. That's not pretty good that's really good. Uthoff is a very good player and shot 43% from the floor last year.

Yeah, I sure want to see post players shooting 47%! Woody shoots right at 50% and people think he misses far too often. And they are fairly accurate. Far too often? No. But I don't get impressed with an offensive player in the post until they are up around 55%.

But I'm sure the Woody bashers are happy with all the help from Cyclone fans.

Love your comparisons to guys like Gesell and Uthoff though. Makes a lot of sense considering one is a point guard and the other played on the wing last year.

 

[CyCity]

Yeah, I sure want to see post players shooting 47%! Woody shoots right at 50% and people think he misses far too often. And they are fairly accurate. Far too often? No. But I don't get impressed with an offensive player in the post until they are up around 55%.

But I'm sure the Woody bashers are happy with all the help from Cyclone fans.

Love your comparisons to guys like Gesell and Uthoff though. Makes a lot of sense considering one is a point guard and the other played on the wing last year.

Niang is a post and he shot 46% averaging 15 ppg and was first team all conference and was a 3rd team AA. He shot about 3 threes per game, the kid from Augustana shot 4 against Iowa.

 

[DanL53]

Niang's 46% average didn't earn him jack. Not without the 40% from three.

 

[CyCity]

Niang's 46% average didn't earn him jack. Not without the 40% from three.

He shot 47% from the floor and only 32% from 3 as a sophomore and was still very highly regarded after that season.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

How many damn threads do we need about Woody and how good he is as a player?

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

How many damn threads do we need about Woody and how good he is as a player?

 

[Kurt Warner]

Wow Dan everyone is a idiot except for you apparently. You can love woody all you want but the true is, he's an unathletic underachieving 7'1" guy. It's not that he is disliked or anyone wants him to get hit by a bus, it's just that he's not that good of a basketball player, that's all.

 

[DanL53]

How many damn threads do we need about Woody and how good he is as a player?

Calm down. How many damn times do you double post and no one complains?

 

[DanL53]

Wow Dan everyone is a idiot except for you apparently. You can love woody all you want but the true is, he's an unathletic underachieving 7'1" guy. It's not that he is disliked or anyone wants him to get hit by a bus, it's just that he's not that good of a basketball player, that's all.

Exactly how do you define that?

 

[MagicCoach]

Woody was a top 50 recruit, that has drastically helped the Iowa Basketball team. Without Woody this season the Hawks have zero chance of competing with the big boys of the big ten! Woody's main problem is everything that he does isn't flashy or portray what a top 50 athlete brings to the table. However, You don't need to bash him or love him if you don't want to. Just appreciate him, he along with others have Iowa back in the dance and moving to better places!

 

[hawk-i bob]

Wow Dan everyone is a idiot except for you apparently. You can love woody all you want but the true is, he's an unathletic underachieving 7'1" guy. It's not that he is disliked or anyone wants him to get hit by a bus, it's just that he's not that good of a basketball player, that's all.

where have you been? define dislike? there have been plenty posts that bash him without any substance. He even gets bashed after hauling down 14 rebounds, goes 3 for 5 without a single TO in over 30 minutes....so what does the Woody bashers do? Talk about the number of points Jansen scored...all DanL did was point out the number of shots it took Jansen to get to that total.

No what this is all about is the bashers got themselves all fired up when Woodbury committed. After all a kid ranked 50 something should not have a single weakness - should he? Kakert gave us the strengths & weaknesses of one Adam Woodbury coming out of high school. You and the bashers apparently didn't believe Kakert. That's on you.

This isn't about a love affair with Woodbury, its trying to be fair to a young man who wears the I O W A uniform. Calling him unathletic, underachieving (based on what someones' ranking?), saying he's not that good of a basketball player. All of that is typical of someone who doesn't understand the game. You do know the game is played on two ends of the court? You know defense & offense. I guarantee you there are plenty of B1G centers who would tell you its no walk in the park going up against Iowa's starting center. His he an offensive scoring machine?.nope...far from it. Never was - never has been.

Woody didn't rank himself..yet its constantly brought up even to the point that someone starts a thread is Woodbury the most disappointing recruit in Iowa history.

I'm not going to go thru what Adam does well on the floor and what he doesn't do as well... the truth is I don't think you would understand considering you said he's not that good of a player.

 

[Kurt Warner]

If woody would put the ball in the hoop at point blank range and not get blocked and schooled by much shorter guys he would receive a lot less criticism. Most fans are waiting for him to finally do these things but it appears he hasn't improved this part of his game from day 1. Maybe the coaches aren't doing their job in helping him get there either. Can anyone honestly say he looks any different than he did when he got here? I think that's why a lot of fans get so aggravated with him. Sorry woody I'm not really a mean person, thought maybe with the criticism you would put us in our place.

 

[hawk-i bob]

If woody would put the ball in the hoop at point blank range and not get blocked and schooled by much shorter guys he would receive a lot less criticism. Most fans are waiting for him to finally do these things but it appears he hasn't improved this part of his game from day 1. Maybe the coaches aren't doing their job in helping him get there either. Can anyone honestly say he looks any different than he did when he got here? I think that's why a lot of fans get so aggravated with him. Sorry woody I'm not really a mean person, thought maybe with the criticism you would put us in our place.

so once again you are only focused on one aspect of his game...ignoring others and making a judgment that he is not a good basketball player based on one aspect...you know if a kid got good grades in every class A's & B's except for one class..say Science (C-)..my daughter who is a teacher,,wouldn't call the kid a poor student..she would say good student who struggles in science.

This may be difficult for you..Woodbury = good basketball player who struggles with his inside shot.
What I like about Woody when it comes to his shooting,,,he doesn't force it. That my friend is someone who gets it.
Shot 81-166 .488 as a freshman , next year 70-136 . 515, last year 87-178 .489 .. career 238-489 .496..not bad for someone you say gets schooled by shorter players.

I'm a golfer...not bad either. I drive the ball well..can putt really well...but I struggle with chipping. I add some strokes due to that part of the game. I've tried everything..different clubs - practice, lessons. I've got 2 grandsons who are scratch golfers & will be playing in college...who I've gotten plenty of lessons from..so I've worked at it...I'm better than I was but its just part of the game that leaves me...from time to time...sort of like when Woody misses a bunny. ... sometimes it seems the game is going a little fast. I think those who have actually played college basketball can speak to the speed of the game.

you and the fans you refer to can wait all you want...maybe this is part of his game Woody will never be really good at but he has been consistent as his numbers bare out and he certainly does other things on the floor.

 

[CyCity]

Wow Dan everyone is a idiot except for you apparently. You can love woody all you want but the true is, he's an unathletic underachieving 7'1" guy. It's not that he is disliked or anyone wants him to get hit by a bus, it's just that he's not that good of a basketball player, that's all.

Woodbury is what he is, he does more than the stat sheets show but he's limited to being a role player and isn't going to put the team on his back.

I still don't buy Dan's theory that it would be a bad thing or wouldn't be anything special if he averaged 19ppg and shot 47% from the floor. He'd probably be a first team AA if that was the case

 

[hawk-i bob]

Woodbury is what he is, he does more than the stat sheets show but he's limited to being a role player and isn't going to put the team on his back.

I still don't buy Dan's theory that it would be a bad thing or wouldn't be anything special if he averaged 19ppg and shot 47% from the floor. He'd probably be a first team AA if that was the case

Post players / centers...guys who take most of their shots close in or put backs on offensive rebounds who make at a 47% click are less than average by percentage standards....OH if they shoot enough of them...ya they can average 19 pts per game. You mentioned Uthoff...the majority of his shots last year were from outside...thus less %.

Woodbury's role this year is huge..calling that limited is not correct.
Nobody is suggestion anything about team on his back.

 

[CyCity]

Post players / centers...guys who take most of their shots close in or put backs on offensive rebounds who make at a 47% click are less than average by percentage standards....OH if they shoot enough of them...ya they can average 19 pts per game. You mentioned Uthoff...the majority of his shots last year were from outside...thus less %.

Woodbury's role this year is huge..calling that limited is not correct.
Nobody is suggestion anything about team on his back.

If Woodbury averaged 19 ppg and shot 47% from the floor Iowa fans would be thrilled and he'd be considered one of the top players in the country. The Augustana kid shot 4 threes too so it's not like he was just living in the paint the whole game.