Hearing crickets out of that crowd. Everyone needs to be patient with this team this year. They are young and this is their first year of playing together. Last night is proof that this team can play and succeed in the Big Ten. Yes we are going to have games like Northwestern and Illinois but we also have beaten some good teams too. Ok so Ohio St. is a great team but they are a team with talent and have beaten some good teams. I think next year is when you will really see what this team can be and what they can do. Without Jok we will see more games like last night and a all around effort and Fran going with the hot hand. So everyone just be patient and try to look for the good things.
Where are the negative nelly's?
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I agree. We are right about where I thought we would be at the turn. If we can go 5-4 down the stretch that would put us at 17-14 which was my expectation. The future looks plenty bright to me.
One of the first things I thought of after the win last night. I wonder what the negative nellies are gonna be saying now.
I think the thing that has bothered me is the lack of effort. You see games like O$U and Purdue and you think this team is getting it and then they go play on the road. Nothing really changed for me last night. This team has been good at home and awful on the road. I'm not particularly looking for this team to win on the road but I'd love to see the effort change on the road.
The road win is coming, I had hopes it was northwestern, then thought ok Illinois. Now I'm hoping it's Rutgers . It will happen so I say sooner is much better.
Not uncommon for a young team. In fact, not uncommon for any team to struggle on the road. Which is why I'm excited to see the Rutgers game as it represents, to me, the best chance to get that first Big Ten road win. Important for the teams development.
And I, optimistically, keep believing that we haven't seen the best of our guys yet. At some point the light will stay on longer than a good win now and then. But the Big Ten isn't like a bunch of bowling pins that all we have to do is aim straight and they will all fall down. The biggest lesson still to be learned by our young guys is you've gotta show up every night, right out of the gate and be ready to battle.
They are reading your post and thinking they can't wait until Iowa's next loss so they can come on here and complain about it.
I agree. These guys will keep getting better and better.. And think that not only continues through this season, but it carries on through the next I believe we have that high of a ceiling...
As for the road, Baer needs to start. His energy at the opening tip is what this young team needs right out of the gate. Don't wait until we get down and out to bring him in.
No negative nelly here, never been. Happy with effort and defense last night, first after Purdue game. On offense, everyone was involved, instead of everyone tryin to set up screens for Jok to shoot.
Here is my run down on some players:
Baer - kid is just such a smart player. So quick and smart. Just need to stop rushing 3s and wait for better opportunities. His legs get tired though because of effort and he is late on some rotations.
Cook - Ton of offensive talent. His left hand is flawless. His defense horrible though. He defends with arms instead of legs. he will learn that.
Uhl - I think I was the only one positive about Uhl here after early struggle. His speed with the ball is off charts. His attitude is so positive. Just needs to figure out penetration and he will be unstoppable for guys his size.
Ellingson - You can tell he was going to be aggressive last night. Love kid and his shooting potential.
Bohannon - Love that Bohannon stopped dribbling ball between his legs 20 times on each play and started playing fast and furious. His defense and legs on defense are huge liability still, but he will get stronger and a better defender. I love his fearlessness.
Moss - If Uhl can finish like Moss, Uhl would be an All-American. I think score keepers should start typing it in on Moss' first step for layups. We need to start running some baseline screens to open him for a 3 or for penetration.
Kriener - Poor man's Baer
. Smart and cool. I think Kriener decides before the game how many points he will have and when to score. Not athletic enough to outjump opponents but sneaky smart.
Here is my run down on some players:
Baer - kid is just such a smart player. So quick and smart. Just need to stop rushing 3s and wait for better opportunities. His legs get tired though because of effort and he is late on some rotations.
Cook - Ton of offensive talent. His left hand is flawless. His defense horrible though. He defends with arms instead of legs. he will learn that.
Uhl - I think I was the only one positive about Uhl here after early struggle. His speed with the ball is off charts. His attitude is so positive. Just needs to figure out penetration and he will be unstoppable for guys his size.
Ellingson - You can tell he was going to be aggressive last night. Love kid and his shooting potential.
Bohannon - Love that Bohannon stopped dribbling ball between his legs 20 times on each play and started playing fast and furious. His defense and legs on defense are huge liability still, but he will get stronger and a better defender. I love his fearlessness.
Moss - If Uhl can finish like Moss, Uhl would be an All-American. I think score keepers should start typing it in on Moss' first step for layups. We need to start running some baseline screens to open him for a 3 or for penetration.
Kriener - Poor man's Baer
. Smart and cool. I think Kriener decides before the game how many points he will have and when to score. Not athletic enough to outjump opponents but sneaky smart.
Never questioning something doesn't make you the real fan just as much as questioning things doesn't make you negative or a bad fan.
This is true, but if you are ALWAYS negative or ALWAYS positive, that isn't correct either.
Certainly not in a science lab.
Now, for a Jedi there is either the Dark side, or whatever the opposite is...not sure it's been named anything, Light side?
As to rooting for a sports team, I guess there are lots of ways to do it. I am probably as positive as it gets. But if you had read my stuff when Alford was coach, right after the no pizza night against UNI? I was as negative as anyone can get until the day he was gone. I freagin' boycotted his last three seasons.
But, McCaffery has this program moving up. And that brings out a lot of loyalty in me. Few off the court issues, team wise. And none by the coach. Exemplary results in the classroom. And competitive Big Ten basketball with a solid reason to believe the best is yet to come?
I don't care if people want to criticize. But if I disagree I'm going to say it. And that seems to cause a lot of butthurt. So be it.
you are absolutely correct...but the one thing you fail to say...
"always questioning" doesn't make you a real fan either ...
and there are some posters who post nothing but negative comments whether it be directed toward a player or McCaffery...and of course it normally comes after a loss.
for me ...I don't need to be told when we play don't play well...I'm not blind...but I also don't find I have the need to express such either.
Bottom line whether its you or any one else..if you can post the bad stuff (with the knowledge that you have) then you can also post the good stuff as well...if you do that..then I would never question you questioning.
As you know..college basketball is not a game of perfection...that's what makes it perfect.
No negative Nelly here, either. I think most rational fans knew there would be ups and downs to this season. Most of us were really excited by the athleticism of this team in the early going. Like others, the lack of effort in some games has upset me. That being said, I was very encouraged by the play of the young Hawks last night. There are nothing but positives for this group of players moving forward.
Now, get that first conference road win, Hawks!
Now, get that first conference road win, Hawks!
We beat OSU at home. There is 13th place with a 3-9 BIG conf record. I didn't get to see the game but judging by the stats, they played really well and I'm happy they did. But lets not act like they just beat Villanova for a trip to the Final Four. You're an imbecile.
There ya go. Does that make you happy? Is your day better?
There ya go. Does that make you happy? Is your day better?
Not directed at you, I just find some of the posters after losses to be tiresome, the team has no talent, everyone needs to transfer, Fran has no clue, it's absurd.
Most rational people knew this year was going to have peaks and valleys, Overall I see alot of things to be excited about in the coming years.
Kind of lost me on Kreiner. First he's no poor mans Baer. Love Nick's energy, but Kreiner is already a better mid range shooter than Baer. Pretty slick scoring around the basket as well. Have said all along the Kreiner was the overlooked guy in this freshman class. Its starting to show up now that he's getting some regular minutes.No negative nelly here, never been. Happy with effort and defense last night, first after Purdue game. On offense, everyone was involved, instead of everyone tryin to set up screens for Jok to shoot.
Here is my run down on some players:
Baer - kid is just such a smart player. So quick and smart. Just need to stop rushing 3s and wait for better opportunities. His legs get tired though because of effort and he is late on some rotations.
Cook - Ton of offensive talent. His left hand is flawless. His defense horrible though. He defends with arms instead of legs. he will learn that.
Uhl - I think I was the only one positive about Uhl here after early struggle. His speed with the ball is off charts. His attitude is so positive. Just needs to figure out penetration and he will be unstoppable for guys his size.
Ellingson - You can tell he was going to be aggressive last night. Love kid and his shooting potential.
Bohannon - Love that Bohannon stopped dribbling ball between his legs 20 times on each play and started playing fast and furious. His defense and legs on defense are huge liability still, but he will get stronger and a better defender. I love his fearlessness.
Moss - If Uhl can finish like Moss, Uhl would be an All-American. I think score keepers should start typing it in on Moss' first step for layups. We need to start running some baseline screens to open him for a 3 or for penetration.
Kriener - Poor man's Baer
first they are 3 and 6...but Im sure that's just a mistake on your part. O$U has struggled this year but its not like they don't have talent..
no one is saying a word about Final 4..that is an exaggeration on your part...God Forbid any of us enjoy a victory. The story of the game...4 freshman led us in scoring..how many times has that happen?
And Fran has said recently he overlooked him in terms of minutes...you were right as well as a few others.
Really, you mean like the people who are on full meltdown mode on the football board because of the college choice of a bunch of teenagers? It never gets old. Oh wait, its really, old! My bad!
That is precisely the irrational negativity that some fans bring to the table. Nothing is ever sufficiently satisfactory because it wasn't a win over Villanova to go to the Final Four. These are the people that write players off 15-20 games into the 18 year old kid's freshmen year. Stuck in the present: if they aren't AA now what's the use-let's open roster spots with transfers so we can gamble on an unnamed and presently unknown graduate transfer as the magic bullet to greatness.
tOSU is not having a great season but they start 5 juniors and seniors, 4 of whom were nationally ranked between 50-90. They are playing for tOSU. Iowa is never supposed to beat tOSU, especially when Iowa is starting three freshmen and two sophomores.
Its one thing to be irrationally optimistic or to excuse persistent failure but the McC era has not been one of persistent failure. Quite the opposite. Just compare the roster that McC inherited with the Iowa roster now or for the last three seasons. Iowa had not qualified for NCAAs in three consecutive seasons since the 91-93 seasons. The downer view is to dismiss that accomplishment by saying the field expanded to 68. Well, those 91-93 teams still qualified although the field was larger than the 48 spot tournaments for which Olson's teams qualified. That's like clawing for the horse shit in a pile of gold dust.
OK, I'll try. If the Hawks had played the last 3 games the way they played last night they would have won at least 2 of them.
Agree. I always laugh at the self-righteous "superfans" who make posts calling out anyone who dares make a negative comment (and these always happen after a Hawk win...you hear crickets from them after losses), as if this makes them superior in some way.
I agree constant criticism is bad. But being a member of the Sunshine Club isn't really all that much better.
Personally, I don't think I've uttered one negative thing on this board about this team (that I'm aware of). I realize there are going to be ups and downs with this young squad. There will be thrilling wins and head scratching losses. I'm just trying to enjoy it as much as I can. I sure enjoyed last nights win from my row 40 seat in Carver!
I find it difficult to understand how a so-called NN actually becomes that. I find it difficult to believe a poster who absolutely never posts anything positive actually believes nothing positive ever happens.
If you're truly an Iowa fan, yet too much a pussy to acknowledge the good things that happen, to me, that's the equivalent of message board cowardice. You'd rather protect your message board persona than acknowledge you were wrong.
Probably means you're a selfish prick in real life when it gets right down to it.
All I try to do is post in a style where I never get too high after a win, never get too low after a loss - and in the mean time try my best to understand in my own amateurish style what I'm seeing.
If something sucks, I'll post about it. If something's good, I'll post about it. However, I'll always support the program even if they lose every damn game they play just so long as the program is trying to win.
If you're truly an Iowa fan, yet too much a pussy to acknowledge the good things that happen, to me, that's the equivalent of message board cowardice. You'd rather protect your message board persona than acknowledge you were wrong.
Probably means you're a selfish prick in real life when it gets right down to it.
All I try to do is post in a style where I never get too high after a win, never get too low after a loss - and in the mean time try my best to understand in my own amateurish style what I'm seeing.
If something sucks, I'll post about it. If something's good, I'll post about it. However, I'll always support the program even if they lose every damn game they play just so long as the program is trying to win.
I've got just one more thing to say about overly critical posters. A comparison.
I've heard many people with oodles of dough complain about how bad they have it. But I never see them chuck their money to the curb on trash day.
I've read many posters complain about being picked on for being too negative. But I have never seen one quit because the board is too positive.
I've heard many people with oodles of dough complain about how bad they have it. But I never see them chuck their money to the curb on trash day.
I've read many posters complain about being picked on for being too negative. But I have never seen one quit because the board is too positive.
I'm still waiting for the McCaffery coaching critiques' from last nights game...it isn't about calling out anyone who post negative comments...its about poster's who seem to do nothing but....there is a difference.
I'm like you..I don't get any enjoyment posting negative comments...but I do swear a lot during games if that counts as a negative.
There are several positives about this team. Cook and Kriener ooze potential. Ellingsen is progressing. A lot of young players. They'll get better over the next few years. They'll be back in the tournament in 2 years.
I appreciate all the messages checking on my well-being. Everything is fine, I spent the weekend ice fishing and detached from the message board. I am not hiding from the boards and haven't gone underground. I will take my medicine and say positionless basketball worked Saturday night. Great team win and refreshing to see ball movement instead of Jok pounding the ball 25 feet from the basket while others watch.
Some observations:
Kriener: Game changer for this team. Fran should have been playing this kid from day one. When a coach says "He has been great since the season started, should have played him earlier, but needed to get others ahead of him going", I cringe. Put guys on the floor who give the team the best chance to win.
Ellingson: Outstanding game. Keep him engaged in the offense. He is not fleet of foot, but he moves well without the ball. OSU played lazy D, but he made the shots and made his defender pay for helping or looking away. Inside out game with Kriener, Ellingson, Bohannon, Jok, and Moss could make this team much more dynamic offensively.
Jok: Sort of a dilemma here. I don't attribute the team's performance exclusively to Jok being out, but it's hard to deny the vast improvement in ball movement. Regardless of OSU's defense, Iowa carved them up and had them confused most of the game. Offense always looks better when you make shots, but the team looked like completely different without Jok. Does Fran bring Jok and return to being focused on getting him his shots or does he say "Look Pete, we need you to facilitate first and look for your shot second. We will post you up and run some stuff for you, but we need to integrate others into the offense so it's not all on you." When Jok returns, I suspect his minutes will be limited, so this may be a win-win.
Am I overall negative on Iowa hoops? Probably a resounding YES from certain circles and a murmur of no's from my fan base (yes, fan is meant to be singular as in 1). My self-diagnosis is no, I am not. The NW AND IL blowouts were unacceptable. Ok, NW is on a roll and clearly a good team, but the team quit. IL is a bad team and likely won't win 3 more games this season. We were dominated with little / no fight. I fully expected to lose both games, but did not expect to see the team wilt and show no fight.
Curious to see what Tuesday brings. As Dakich articulated during Saturday's game, Iowa has not been showing improvement during the season. Was Saturday a fluke or will we see this team gel the rest of the season and consistently compete?
Some observations:
Kriener: Game changer for this team. Fran should have been playing this kid from day one. When a coach says "He has been great since the season started, should have played him earlier, but needed to get others ahead of him going", I cringe. Put guys on the floor who give the team the best chance to win.
Ellingson: Outstanding game. Keep him engaged in the offense. He is not fleet of foot, but he moves well without the ball. OSU played lazy D, but he made the shots and made his defender pay for helping or looking away. Inside out game with Kriener, Ellingson, Bohannon, Jok, and Moss could make this team much more dynamic offensively.
Jok: Sort of a dilemma here. I don't attribute the team's performance exclusively to Jok being out, but it's hard to deny the vast improvement in ball movement. Regardless of OSU's defense, Iowa carved them up and had them confused most of the game. Offense always looks better when you make shots, but the team looked like completely different without Jok. Does Fran bring Jok and return to being focused on getting him his shots or does he say "Look Pete, we need you to facilitate first and look for your shot second. We will post you up and run some stuff for you, but we need to integrate others into the offense so it's not all on you." When Jok returns, I suspect his minutes will be limited, so this may be a win-win.
Am I overall negative on Iowa hoops? Probably a resounding YES from certain circles and a murmur of no's from my fan base (yes, fan is meant to be singular as in 1). My self-diagnosis is no, I am not. The NW AND IL blowouts were unacceptable. Ok, NW is on a roll and clearly a good team, but the team quit. IL is a bad team and likely won't win 3 more games this season. We were dominated with little / no fight. I fully expected to lose both games, but did not expect to see the team wilt and show no fight.
Curious to see what Tuesday brings. As Dakich articulated during Saturday's game, Iowa has not been showing improvement during the season. Was Saturday a fluke or will we see this team gel the rest of the season and consistently compete?
It's reasonable to assume that until rotations sort themselves out and tighten up a bit - via players rising above each other in the pecking order in a fashion that makes the team output better - we may not necessarily see from a wins and losses aspect an improvement over the one step forward one step back we've been seeing.
Would I like to see "overall team win improvement" this year? Sure. But until the players improve team-wise in how the pieces of the puzzle fit to win more games...it's gonna be up and down all season. Might even be that way some next season also...
I don't necessarily think that is really a bad thing as it relates to where this team is going to be down the road. We just do not right now today know when that is going to be, whether it'll happen this season, or two years from now.
But if I were a betting man - we got talent here, we got pieces that can fit into a winning team eventually. It will happen I believe. We already have seen how good they can be. In the mean time, the "fan frustrations" will probably continue while the inconsistencies of youth and inexperience persist.
I know people hate it...but we absolutely must be patient here. Two years from today and we're still a .500 team with effectively the same roster showing the same inconsistencies, OK...then it's time to be concerned.
But not today. Allow the team the luxury of growing into the team they will become, whatever that is. I would suspect if we were part of something similar, we'd appreciate the same treatment.
Give them a chance...
Would I like to see "overall team win improvement" this year? Sure. But until the players improve team-wise in how the pieces of the puzzle fit to win more games...it's gonna be up and down all season. Might even be that way some next season also...
I don't necessarily think that is really a bad thing as it relates to where this team is going to be down the road. We just do not right now today know when that is going to be, whether it'll happen this season, or two years from now.
But if I were a betting man - we got talent here, we got pieces that can fit into a winning team eventually. It will happen I believe. We already have seen how good they can be. In the mean time, the "fan frustrations" will probably continue while the inconsistencies of youth and inexperience persist.
I know people hate it...but we absolutely must be patient here. Two years from today and we're still a .500 team with effectively the same roster showing the same inconsistencies, OK...then it's time to be concerned.
But not today. Allow the team the luxury of growing into the team they will become, whatever that is. I would suspect if we were part of something similar, we'd appreciate the same treatment.
Give them a chance...
Thanks for putting that out there hawk-I bob. Its not that most of us are trying to be little debbie sunshine, but there has to be some pushback to the onslaught on here when the Hawks lose, or don't get a certain recruit. We're all aware that things could be better, and that our coaches make mistakes, some of them glaring. Its the personal attacks on these men, and their assistants. On any given day, their stupid, lazy, uncaring never knew anything about the sport their coaching, it just goes on, and on. All of this from people who are obviously not qualified to do these jobs, or they'd be making millions of dollars doing them.
What personal attacks?
What attacks have there been on assistants?
Even if there were, they get paid$$$$$ very very well to do a very silly/trivial job.
What attacks have there been on assistants?
Even if there were, they get paid$$$$$ very very well to do a very silly/trivial job.
Attacks aren't just physical assaults. If you can honestly read the things that are posted on this site, and not call them personal attacks on someones character, then I'm not sure what your reading. Yes their well paid, but I'm not sure how that enters into the equation. Basically this come s down to a bunch of whiners, who are jealous of how well these gentlemen are paid, for a job many posters wish they had the chance to obtain. No doubt many of these same people rip on pro athletes when they have the chance, because they wish they had the money and fame of those individuals, even though their not qualified to have those jobs. Got it.
I agree it isn't a life sustaining job...that's why I don't understand why some posters seem to get really uptight over coaching decisions or player performances...you know considering its trivial.
Coaches do impact the lives of these young men as do high school coaches....there have been post in the past suggesting Fran replace a certain assistant..I don't know if that would be considered a personal attack..
course in Iowa's case the coaches pay is self contained without any $ coming from state tax payers. I think most of us can be a little jealous of that.
Me? ... hey I'm happy I got a $3.00 monthly raise in my social security this year...but I also lost a few $ (too many) in stocks today...
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