I don't recall these attacks. You act as though they are numerous. I just can't recall any. Questioning is not attacking.
Where are the negative nelly's?
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The only negative I've got is that I'd like to see more of Isaiah Moss out in transition. Also, Moss needs to play more. Otherwise I am very happy with Fran and the Hawks.
Questioning is not an attack and nothing wrong with it...although questioning after every loss..every single loss and silence after every single win..tells me a lot about the poster.
Coaches are fair game as far as I'm concern..doesn't make the poster correct in their questioning either.
Players ... there have been plenty of attacks..Ellingson is just one example assuming calling him a D3 talent is considered an attack...
Moss in transition and or on the break is his best asset...ISU would attest to that. The exciting thing about Moss is I'm assuming we have not come close to seeing just how good he will be in other aspects.
I'm glad that Moss redshirted as he's a late bloomer. I enjoy watching him play and always get angry when Fran benches him. He's gonna be really good IMO.
when he fouled in the late stages of the OSU game...80 feet from the basket..well if looks could kill. I agree I think the future for Moss is huge...I do believe its been a work in progress in some aspects for Moss...the college game is so much faster in decision making & there are some areas they just are not taught very well before college..
we saw that in Cook...the difference in Cook when I saw him against Michigan & then the other night IMO was notable..I'm referring to defense & positioning..its not as good as it will be but its better...same with Moss.
we got 11 guys that can play (getting better)...10 without Jok.
Come On. How many times this year, after a loss or losing a recruit has someone called KF, or Fran; Stupid,Lazy, Clueless, Fat Cat, has no idea what he's doing, Doesn't even make an effort, just in it for the money. And yes there are about a dozen posters here who run this tripe out after every negative thing that happens. These are not questioning or observations, they are attacks at the very core of their character, and are not warrented.
First: this is the basketball board not football. I have heard the fat cat thing about Kirk, never fran.
Might something get said by someone in the heat of the moment they might like to take back. Sure. No where near the level you appear to believe. Have people questioned frans ability to land a top flight pg, yep. Warranted, yep. I don't recall people screaming for his head and I certainly don't recall many, if anyone, saying it was for a lack of effort or incompetence. The general tone of this board in regards to recruiting has always been that fran puts in the work.
Fran has correctly been criticized for late game decisions, to strategy, use of players, and his ability to control emotions. If you don't like those questions, well then you live in a bubble gum, rainbow colored world that has no problems. This is a message both for people of all opinions. To think there would not be questions on strategy and pt is crazy.
Who has ever said lazy? fatcat? stupid? Maybe that's what you heard in your head when you read it. I don't remember any of those things.
Again questioning his actions/decision is not attacking his work ethic or fran personally. Jesus, he is not perfect and he is not correct 100% of the time, none of us are. But we get to sit back and have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight to debate things, that's in small part are what these boards are for.
That's the part that bugs me.
There is after all a highly paid coaching staff, and talented players..........on the other bench. We'll be .500 in the Big Ten tonight with a bunch of freshmen playing huge minutes. That's one heck of a coaching job. Has anyone noticed? Nah...we got hindsight to find weaknesses and that's what we want to talk about.And remember, as you said, I own this board...so fear me.
LOL...that's not positive. I NEVER read the BBALL board but I'm bored, (pun intended) I just wanted to confirm reality. The whining cry babies on the football board are same on the Bball board...
Crazy isn't it......everywhere they turn we have bad coaches.....doesn't make much sense does it. And if they were fans of another team, they'd have bad coaches too....LOL If you wrote it in a novel, you'd never believe it it was true.
That's the part that bugs me.
And remember, as you said, I own this board...so fear me.
still waiting for that hindsight expertise on the last 2 games...
We gave up way too many offensive rebounds and are lucky to come away with a 20 point win! There you go.
and if the damn ball wasn't round we wouldn't have had that problem
It's so easy. Pick the worst thing and talk about nothing but it. Then complain that being criticized for being critical isn't fair. It's like playing chess with a rule that you get to take a move back if it doesn't work.
No! Somebody wants to show how much smarter than McCaffery they are, ball up and make a point BEFORE a game.I know, that's not how it works on message boards. But how does one suppose they get the bad reputation for being places for idiots? And, I'm not calling ANYBODY that name, I'm stating a fact.
I know it comes from being frustrated half the time, which is why we see it more after losses. But folks shouldn't mistake that others who don't fly off the handle (I did say that...will stick to it.) are immune to frustration. It's all in how we handle it.
Or Fran didn't get them ready to play but Rutgers didn't want to play this game!
I have me an idea. Not saying average, run of the mill criticism is bad. But for those really like to have a major melt-down? Go to the Illini Loyalty page and sign up, pretend to be an Illini fan, and get ready to have fun! They are not happy campers anymore.
http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=23658&page=2
Not saying average, run of the mill criticism is bad. But for those really like to have a major melt-down? Go to the Illini Loyalty page and sign up, pretend to be an Illini fan, and get ready to have fun! They are not happy campers anymore.http://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=23658&page=2
Are you retarded? It wasn't meant to be positive. You're laughing at your own lack of reading comprehension. Congrats.
Awesome you feel the sting, my job is done here......anything else Scott?
You hit the trifecta, name calling (plenty of folks with children with challenges, not cool dude), constantly bitching, and being easily manipulated....
I guess I sometimes question things in my own mind, but don't necessarily feel compelled to post my concerns on a message board. I am seldom critical of coaches, except Lickliter, as I feel they have a better handle on what is happening than I do from my recliner.
Of course, I am a fan that does not live and die with the final results of every contest.
Yes....The sting of your stupidity is awesome indeed.Awesome you feel the sting, my job is done here......anything else Scott?
You hit the trifecta, name calling (plenty of folks with children with challenges, not cool dude), constantly bitching, and being easily manipulated....
Here is the thing, only folks like you find me stupid so I'd say thats a really telling thing little buddy.
I am fairly surprised, but then again Rutgers is in its own special class of bad, Its good to see.
Lets see. I think we said they would need 18-19 wins for NIT. So, 5 or 6 more wins still needed. They will have some chances.
Lets see. I think we said they would need 18-19 wins for NIT. So, 5 or 6 more wins still needed. They will have some chances.
What's this from?
It's a video thats just kinda dumb, but it's funny. If you google "you got served" you will see it
Don't need too, you and your ilk are a very special group of fellas....
. I'll wager you piss and moan about people constantly.
See the thing is, we are all negative from time to time. In fact the most pi&^ed I was this past year was when we looked so bad vs PU (football) down the stretch but honestly I'm a 46 year old man with 6 kids and a stressful job. Pi*&^ing and moaning about KF or coaches in general says more about me than it does them,. And too do it incessantly just shows what kind of character your dealing with IMO.
It shows a total lack of insight as to what it truly takes...
It shows a lack of courage, to incessantly complain in anonymity while people are in the field "doing it"....
It shows a lack of general awareness and intelligence about the landscape of sports and humanity in general. Most of these dopes really think they are onto something and just "their coach" sucks. They are to daft to realize it is happening on EVERY message board in America...'
And finally it shows a general lack of accountability and inability to understand how dumb they make themselves look.
I have been on these boards long enough to see fans say..."Gee I wish Alford could coach and adjust like KF)..."Gee I wish KF could coach and adjust like Fran".."Gee I wish KF was as intense as Tommy B and wouldn't settle for anything less than championships...doh!!)
And here we are all these years later, Alford is 19-3 with an 11th ranked squad, KF sucks, Fran sucks and Tommy B and the wrestlers struggle to even win the Big 10 right now...I would be embarrassed to be that stupid and short sighted, but I guess thats why they are the way they are...Stick around long enough and EVERY coach falls and rises continually.
But these fans, they are always the same, whining, bitching, complaining and just generally being miserable to be around....
It shows a total lack of insight as to what it truly takes...
It shows a lack of courage, to incessantly complain in anonymity while people are in the field "doing it"....
It shows a lack of general awareness and intelligence about the landscape of sports and humanity in general. Most of these dopes really think they are onto something and just "their coach" sucks. They are to daft to realize it is happening on EVERY message board in America...'
And finally it shows a general lack of accountability and inability to understand how dumb they make themselves look.
I have been on these boards long enough to see fans say..."Gee I wish Alford could coach and adjust like KF)..."Gee I wish KF could coach and adjust like Fran".."Gee I wish KF was as intense as Tommy B and wouldn't settle for anything less than championships...doh!!)
And here we are all these years later, Alford is 19-3 with an 11th ranked squad, KF sucks, Fran sucks and Tommy B and the wrestlers struggle to even win the Big 10 right now...I would be embarrassed to be that stupid and short sighted, but I guess thats why they are the way they are...Stick around long enough and EVERY coach falls and rises continually.
But these fans, they are always the same, whining, bitching, complaining and just generally being miserable to be around....
I only ask one thing from them.
If they truly are Iowa fans, acknowledge the good that does occur with Iowa sports. Be balanced. You'd think Iowa never won a game otherwise.
I'm not against the aspect of people cannot be pissed off about a coach or player or program...but the concept of always being angry just is unfathomable to me. Sheesh, both Ferentz and Fran piss me off often enough - I merely choose to not take it personally and accept they know a helluva lot more about their business than I ever will.
This is why I've suspected some of the haters are paid plants by the sites. All sites have them, and haters drive posts and site hits. I know Brommelkamp once stated such paid posters "are not part of this site's business model" many years ago - which tells me it does happen. But it would not surprise me Rivals employs them to site-hop stirring up trouble - and maybe it's up to individual sites to decide if they want to use them too.
I do accept the concept of trolls too but think they are somewhat different because they are never as "dedicated", and usually they are much easier to spot versus "the true hater". Trolls are "drive-by's" and lack depth by comparison, haters are more "dedicated to their art". Trolls change their handles often and commit banishment offenses, haters keep their handles and avoid banishment.
EVERY site has them both. Exceptions are rare, usually driven out by over-zealous monitors. Ironically, those boards tend to be rather...boring.
If they truly are Iowa fans, acknowledge the good that does occur with Iowa sports. Be balanced. You'd think Iowa never won a game otherwise.
I'm not against the aspect of people cannot be pissed off about a coach or player or program...but the concept of always being angry just is unfathomable to me. Sheesh, both Ferentz and Fran piss me off often enough - I merely choose to not take it personally and accept they know a helluva lot more about their business than I ever will.
This is why I've suspected some of the haters are paid plants by the sites. All sites have them, and haters drive posts and site hits. I know Brommelkamp once stated such paid posters "are not part of this site's business model" many years ago - which tells me it does happen. But it would not surprise me Rivals employs them to site-hop stirring up trouble - and maybe it's up to individual sites to decide if they want to use them too.
I do accept the concept of trolls too but think they are somewhat different because they are never as "dedicated", and usually they are much easier to spot versus "the true hater". Trolls are "drive-by's" and lack depth by comparison, haters are more "dedicated to their art". Trolls change their handles often and commit banishment offenses, haters keep their handles and avoid banishment.
EVERY site has them both. Exceptions are rare, usually driven out by over-zealous monitors. Ironically, those boards tend to be rather...boring.
Neither for me.
We've seen this song and dance before! They (Fran teams) look great a few games, then they totally fall apart and show none of the spark they did before. And the spark never comes again.
I mean, i hope im wrong, and ill gladly eat my hat and face the fire, but cmon guys...iowa looked good against two crappy teams. Yes, its a reason to be hopeful, but we've been duped before!
There are some that refuse to say anything good about the sports they are discussing. That's their problem. There are positives with some of the players. Expectations aren't the same with everyone so what some consider "negative Nelly's" I might consider a person with some basketball knowledge that's blunt about the situation.
The level of expectations of each person reflects their own competitive nature, IMO. Some people expect the best and won't settle for less. Others just want to watch and cheer no matter what. Others are in-between. I lean towards the former. 2nd place has always pissed me off when I competed in anything. It's my personality and it had nothing to do with how I was raised. My parents never attended any of the sporting events I competed in. Not 1. I'm wired a certain way but it's brought me 5 state titles in team events and 2 state titles in individual events. So there's not much arguing with me about the futility of high expectations. I'm not having it. If that bothers some people that are less competitive, that's their problem as far as I'm concerned. Not mine
Its happened before, hell they've been in the Tournament the last 3 years, 4 years, what?!?! So yes I'll take that happened before, start eating your hat.
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