Which is better

[IAFB2021Champs]

I ask this question realizing ISU has a pretty good chance at winning the Big 12 and making the playoffs.

Would you rather be part of a power conference like the BIG10 or SEC and make a lot of money but know you’ll have to have a great team to make the playoffs.
Or be part of the Big12 or ACC and not make as much money but realize you can be a mediocre team and have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs every year?
Personally as a fan, I’d rather have a shot at the playoffs every year. Money doesn’t do anything for fans.

 

[QChawks]

I'd rather have KF gone and take my chances staying in the B1G with a head coach that doesn't have full job security

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

It is always better to be a small fish in a large pond than a large fish in a small pond.

 

[Moral]

It is always better to be a small fish in a large pond than a large fish in a small pond.

Is it though?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Is it though?

Yes.

Specific to this example. The loser of the b12 game won't get into the playoffs. Our "pond" will send 4.

 

[Moral]

Yes.

I don't think that's true.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I don't think that's true.

Some people will tell you a Cucumber taste better than a pickle.

 

[Scott559]

I would rather Iowa make Tesla the official vehicle of the Iowa Hawkeyes and have Elon drop a billion into Iowa NIL and stay in the Big.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Money does a lot for the fans. It buys better coaches, better facilities, better amenities, etc. In turn, those bring better players. Look at which two conferences dominated yesterday's National Signing Day. It improves the overall sports programs.
Currently, the difference between what each B1G school gets to what each ACC school gets annually is ~$45 million. As a FSU alum, I'd rather take the cash.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

With the current conference alignments, it's clear that Iowa State is in a better place than Iowa.

We will fast forward 10 years from now and look back on sustained success for Iowa State...regularly competing for a Big 12 championship and playoff berth, while Iowa struggles to win 7 or 8 games and comes no where near making it to the Big 10 championship game.

Many people/entities will make money though.

This harsh analysis may offend some people but I'm not here to stroke fandom.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Money does a lot for the fans. It buys better coaches, better facilities, better amenities, etc. In turn, those bring better players. Look at which two conferences dominated yesterday's National Signing Day. It improves the overall sports programs.
Currently, the difference between what each B1G school gets to what each ACC school gets annually is ~$45 million. As a FSU alum, I'd rather take the cash.

Ok but look at the example I used. Iowa State doesn’t have the facilities Iowa has and usually won’t have a better recruiting class but they have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs this year. I’d say every year for that matter as long as the big 12 stays the way it is.
Plus it doesn’t always get you the better coach. It just means you can pay a coach more and still pay the coach that was fired two coaches ago.
Take a look at Oklahoma this year. They move from the big 12 where they probably could have fought for a championship and instead finish at the bottom of the sec with its high paid coach.

 

[mnole03]

Yes.

Specific to this example. The loser of the b12 game won't get into the playoffs. Our "pond" will send 4.

Right, but you’re not a pond of equals. Look at the favoritism on display with the SEC. Alabama gets in. Ole Miss does not.

Indiana’s only one spot ahead of Boise State with only one loss.

 

[beanerhawk]

Some people will tell you a Cucumber taste better than a pickle.

It does.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Right, but you’re not a pond of equals. Look at the favoritism on display with the SEC. Alabama gets in. Ole Miss does not.

Indiana’s only one spot ahead of Boise State with only one loss.

Even there the decision is being made that the 3th best fish from those ponds are better than the 2nd from the smaller.


And northern, if you are not number 1 in the b12, you are going to be a nobody. Those guys are going to be out of contention the moment they lose a game.

 

[beanerhawk]

With the current conference alignments, it's clear that Iowa State is in a better place than Iowa.

We will fast forward 10 years from now and look back on sustained success for Iowa State...regularly competing for a Big 12 championship and playoff berth, while Iowa struggles to win 7 or 8 games and comes no where near making it to the Big 10 championship game.

Many people/entities will make money though.

This harsh analysis may offend some people but I'm not here to stroke fandom.

I'd rather the team I cheer for be in a relevant conf personally. I couldn't even tell you what teams make up the Big12 these days. Hell I don't even know who ISU plays in the championship game.

 

[TJ8869]

I'd rather have KF gone and take my chances staying in the B1G with a head coach that doesn't have full job security

Be careful what you wish for. Nebraska fired Frank Solich because they were sick of going 9-3. 21 years and five head coaches later, they would kill for a 9-3 season.

 

[ICWestfan]

Be careful what you wish for. Nebraska fired Frank Solich because they were sick of going 9-3. 21 years and five head coaches later, they would kill for a 9-3 season.

The old better be careful argument. That may have been true 20 years ago but I don't think it applies now. Do we know how much money Nebby has in their NIL, or if they have a mega-donor? I'm not sure that KF would sign off on Musk dropping millions for the Iowa football program, let alone be able to utilize it correctly if he did. That's the problem I see with KF and the Iowa program. Tried and true in this day and age only gets you so far (8-4 or 9-3 if lucky).

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

I'd rather the team I cheer for be in a relevant conf personally. I couldn't even tell you what teams make up the Big12 these days. Hell I don't even know who ISU plays in the championship game.

While i somewhat agree. I will know what teams make the playoffs.
A different example of this could be looking at NCAA basketball. I still don’t know what conference butler or Gonzaga are in yet I know they were playing for the championship a few different times in the last decade or so.

 

[mnole03]

I'd rather the team I cheer for be in a relevant conf personally. I couldn't even tell you what teams make up the Big12 these days. Hell I don't even know who ISU plays in the championship game.

It’s all financial for me. The Big Ten or SEC will move so far beyond the other conferences in payout that other schools won’t be able to compete. This becomes even more true with direct player pay.

 

[TJ8869]

The old better be careful argument. That may have been true 20 years ago but I don't think it applies now. Do we know how much money Nebby has in their NIL, or if they have a mega-donor? I'm not sure that KF would sign off on Musk dropping millions for the Iowa football program, let alone be able to utilize it correctly if he did. That's the problem I see with KF and the Iowa program. Tried and true in this day and age only gets you so far (8-4 or 9-3 if lucky).

Nebraska sucked for a full decade before NIL even became a thing.

Look at USC. They lured Lincoln Riley away from Oklahoma thinking he was going to lead them back to the glory days of Pete Carroll. Instead they’ve lost 11 of their last 19 games and they’re just barely bowl eligible.

Look at Wisconsin. Multiple Rose Bowls under Alvarez and Bielema. Still very good under Chryst. Four 10-win seasons. Two Top 10 finishes. Trips to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Cotton Bowl. Then they fired him midseason because they started 2-3 and now two years later they’re not even bowl eligible. They got thoroughly humiliated by Iowa, Minnesota, and even Nebraska.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Ok but look at the example I used. Iowa State doesn’t have the facilities Iowa has and usually won’t have a better recruiting class but they have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs this year. I’d say every year for that matter as long as the big 12 stays the way it is.
Plus it doesn’t always get you the better coach. It just means you can pay a coach more and still pay the coach that was fired two coaches ago.
Take a look at Oklahoma this year. They move from the big 12 where they probably could have fought for a championship and instead finish at the bottom of the sec with its high paid coach.

Florida State doesn't have a full complement of sports simply because they don't have the money to support them. FSU ruled the ACC and much of college football for over a decade. None of that matters now. When the expansion of television opportunities came, the ACC got left in the dust.
FSU was 13-0 last year and was left out of the playoffs. Alabama has three losses this year (two of them bad losses) and they're currently in. Winning in one of the non Big 2 conferences doesn't ensure your inclusion.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Florida State doesn't have a full complement of sports simply because they don't have the money to support them. FSU ruled the ACC and much of college football for over a decade. None of that matters now. When the expansion of television opportunities came, the ACC got left in the dust.
FSU was 13-0 last year and was left out of the playoffs. Alabama has three losses this year (two of them bad losses) and they're currently in. Winning in one of the non Big 2 conferences doesn't ensure your inclusion.

You do know that the playoffs have expanded correct? I have a hard time believing they would ever leave out the big 12 or acc champion if the conferences stay like they are today.
Side note: not that it was the right thing to do, but I feel like fsu would have had a better case had their qb not been injured. Look how great the offense was in the bowl game.

 

[fivecardstud14]

Nebraska sucked for a full decade before NIL even became a thing.

Look at USC. They lured Lincoln Riley away from Oklahoma thinking he was going to lead them back to the glory days of Pete Carroll. Instead they’ve lost 11 of their last 19 games and they’re just barely bowl eligible.

Look at Wisconsin. Multiple Rose Bowls under Alvarez and Bielema. Still very good under Chryst. Four 10-win seasons. Two Top 10 finishes. Trips to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Cotton Bowl. Then they fired him midseason because they started 2-3 and now two years later they’re not even bowl eligible. They got thoroughly humiliated by Iowa, Minnesota, and even Nebraska.

Now do all the teams where getting rid of a coach worked. It’s not a one way street like you think it is.

 

[TJ8869]

Now do all the teams where getting rid of a coach worked. It’s not a one way street like you think it is.

Offer up a few examples. I’d be willing to bet that most examples you can cite were preceded by a string of coaches who failed before the school finally found a good fit.

For example, Texas is finally good again under Sarkisian, but only after they suffered through 7 years of mediocrity with Charlie Strong and Tom Herman after they forced out Mack Brown.

 

[stillh8unlv]

Now do all the teams where getting rid of a coach worked. It’s not a one way street like you think it is.

Like?

The percentages I believe are in the more likely to stay, or fall into, mediocre. You can get flash in the pan success, but as with any field it rarely sustains without bedrock principles and expectations

 

[DFSNOLE]

You do know that the playoffs have expanded correct? I have a hard time believing they would ever leave out the big 12 or acc champion if the conferences stay like they are today.
Side note: not that it was the right thing to do, but I feel like fsu would have had a better case had their qb not been injured. Look how great the offense was in the bowl game.

Yes and there's talk about SMU being left out if they don't win the ACC Championship Game despite being in the top 4 now and finishing the season with just 2 losses. Miami fell from being a top 4 team to out after losing to an 8-4 Syracuse team on the road. There is zero chance the 2nd place team in either the B1G or SEC doesn't make it.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Yes and there's talk about SMU being left out if they don't win the ACC Championship Game despite being in the top 4 now and finishing the season with just 2 losses. Miami fell from being a top 4 team to out after losing to an 8-4 Syracuse team on the road. There is zero chance the 2nd place team in either the B1G or SEC doesn't make it.

Well duh. But you have to beat a lot tougher teams to finish second in the big and sec. It would be easier to finish first in the acc or big 12

 

[DFSNOLE]

Well duh. But you have to beat a lot tougher teams to finish second in the big and sec. It would be easier to finish first in the acc or big 12

Alabama lost to 6-6 Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and is currently in.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Alabama lost to 6-6 Vanderbilt and Oklahoma and is currently in.

Agree. It’s a bunch of bs. But of course more sec and big teams are going to be in. But I also feel like it would be easier to win the big 12 or acc then it would be to finish in the top 3 of the big 10 or sec.
I consider the big 12 and acc the same as the old big 10 west. Iowa won the west a few years and would usually get smoked in the big 10 championship game.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Agree. It’s a bunch of bs. But of course more sec and big teams are going to be in. But I also feel like it would be easier to win the big 12 or acc then it would be to finish in the top 3 of the big 10 or sec.
I consider the big 12 and acc the same as the old big 10 west. Iowa won the west a few years and would usually get smoked in the big 10 championship game.

*than

You do realize that the ACC has won more football national championships than the B1G this century, right?

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

Y

*than

You do realize that the ACC has won more football national championships than the B1G this century, right?

Yeah because nothing has changed the last century! Lol
Are you trying to mean the last decade. If you go back to 2013 the acc has 3 championships and the big 10 has 2. How have florida state and Clemson been doing lately?
The big also added a couple of teams that have been runner up the last 10 years in Oregon and Washington.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Y

Yeah because nothing has changed the last century! Lol
Are you trying to mean the last decade. If you go back to 2013 the acc has 3 championships and the big 10 has 2. How have florida state and Clemson been doing lately?
The big also added a couple of teams that have been runner up the last 10 years in Oregon and Washington.

No. The 20th century. Since the year 2000. You really aren't that bright.

 

[artradley]

No. The 20th century. Since the year 2000. You really aren't that bright.

Point of order. We are currently living in the 21st century.

 

[IAFB2021Champs]

No. The 20th century. Since the year 2000. You really aren't that bright.

Well which is it, the 20th century which is 1901-2000 or the 21st century, 2001-today. Doesn’t say much for you if I’m not very bright.
Plus going back to 2000 (21 century) and adding in the teams that are currently in the BIG10, the BIG has more championships.

 

[beanerhawk]

The old better be careful argument. That may have been true 20 years ago but I don't think it applies now. Do we know how much money Nebby has in their NIL, or if they have a mega-donor? I'm not sure that KF would sign off on Musk dropping millions for the Iowa football program, let alone be able to utilize it correctly if he did. That's the problem I see with KF and the Iowa program. Tried and true in this day and age only gets you so far (8-4 or 9-3 if lucky).

That's not an arguement it's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's college or pro sports, if you hire the wrong coach or GM to run your program they will run it into the ground. It's been proven literally thousands of times in the last century.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Point of order. We are currently living in the 21st century.

Point taken.

 

[hexumhawk]

The BIG10 without question.

You can have a better program and stability AND have a better shot at the playoff. The B12 will only be getting 1 team in 90% of the time. Meanwhile the B10 will be getting 4 in almost every time. That gives Iowa a 20% chance roughly each year to ISU's 9% change to get in. ISU also has to generally play more error free as most years they wouldn't be in the championship game with 2 losses.