Who Do You Blame for ISIS?
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Its the exact same strategy the liberals use w inner city youth. Just let them kill themselves.
ISIS is 2015's bogeyman to chase. Kerry lied about trying to get us involved in Syria. Putin thwarted those plans. Now, ISIS gives Washington a reason for being there in Syria. There were reports a year ago how the ill-trained Iraqi army were told to leave behind the U.S. made weaponry. Remember...Washington needs an enemy...even if they have to create one.
Bush
General Franks
General Petreaus
Nouri al-Maliki
Obama
They all contributed to the formation of ISIS. Maliki being the biggest, who Bush helped get appointed and Obama left dangling.
General Franks
General Petreaus
Nouri al-Maliki
Obama
They all contributed to the formation of ISIS. Maliki being the biggest, who Bush helped get appointed and Obama left dangling.
The American public. They vote-in these friggin' bought-off criminals and continue to do it. The Bush Administration's crappy decisions to militarily invade a country that had not harmed this nation directly at all will haunt this country for decades. And, Americans elected the d*ckhead!
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How is that a liberal position? It's certainly not mine. What's the conservative plan?
This point deserves a lot of attention. People we don't like are killing other people we don't like. We should STFO.
I know it's fun to take that position. But lots of those being killed, maimed, displaced and impoverished are innocents. Whether that means we should interfere is always a tricky question. But we shouldn't pretend it's only the bad guys hurting each other.
The idea of a UN peacekeeping force has always struck me as having merit. But we (the nations) don't train or equip them well enough and too often tie their hands too much. And unfortunately those lacks lead to or reinforce corruption. I'd like to see the UN have a robust, highly trained, well-equipped peacekeeping force that would not merely observe and occasionally break up fights, but firmly stop the hostilities and carry out reconstruction and rehabilitation of people, places and cultures.
Yes, I know that's a pipe dream in wingnutty America.
Its the same plan without the hollow attempts at empathy over the situation.
Innocents get killed in every state of every country on the planet. You simply cannot MAKE other people, especially vastly different cultures, do what you think they should do. Especially when they don't want you there, and KNOW the real reason you are there is for their natural resource. Sometimes you have to let people evolve at their own pace, even if that pace is slower than you like and has some unpleasant victims along the way. Doing it by force, especially against those people, always leads to a worse, or at least prolonged, outcome that keeps us on their sh*t list. LEAVE THEM ALONE! When they finally figure it out, then it will be on their terms. Were it not for their oil, no one would have ever interrupted their centuries-old fights.
Try tens of thousands would die. These animals don't care and Obama can't be blamed for Bush letting this mess happen. Nice try republicans.
Obama/Liberals: "Blame Bush" .......... Hillary: "Blame GOP, Right Wing Neocons"
Most people understand now that the intelligence that Bush and Obama got and continue to get is far from reliable. Our own intelligence assets are thin so we rely on information from "friends" in the region who have there own agendas.
Our political parties will not take a serious look at anything without trying to assign blame. A failure of our system.
This happened wayyyyy before Bush and Obama. Try looking back to the mujahedeen and Charlie Wilson's war. Try looking at all the false flags in the past.
"(8) The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister."
the cia invented isis and the feds of the usa funds them, it's like the "good" muslim rebels and al qaeda= we fund them.
who do I blame for isis? the shadow cia government and big globalist banksters.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/x-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
53 admitted fals flags
Note the above - when Obama messes up with the Middle East, it is because his intelligence team got it incorrect. When Bush messed up, it is because he LIED. Ok, I see the difference.
Funny how you push yourself away from your parties position, but lump all R's in with their parties position...
That blogs looks like ramblings from a loon. That guy didn't have any facts or proof.
Did you know the WWE is real too? Boxing and now UFC has run a 50 year misinformation campaign to keep it down. I could dhow you a blog if that helps.
Woe to any white police officer who accidentally ends up in Iraq and shoots one of them though. Then all hell's gonna break loose. #IraqiLivesMatter
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liberal candidates in the 2004 presidential election, followed by Gary, Indiana with 93.08% of the voting going to liberal presidential candidates, and Berkeley, California in third with a 92.76% total for liberals. Other cities in the top twenty five in descending order are the following: the District of Columbia; Oakland, CA; Inglewood, CA; Newark, NJ; Cambridge,
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Those in bold are in the top 10 for highest murder rates in the US.
Silly to try and put "blame" on western politicians in simplistic partisan terms for a largely organic phenomenon with many and varied geopolitical factors. Hawkeyes! Cyclones! Cubs! Cardinals!
Having said that, the one decision from a US politician most "helpful" to the strength of ISIS was the decision to disband the Iraqi military. Y'all do get that most of their brain trust, at least militarily, are former Iraqi military leaders, right? You know, the 100k or so trained fighters left with no job and no purpose while the Iraqi forces had to start from scratch?
And, on the other team's side, Obama's biggest help was letting Malicki know he didn't care how he responded to alleged death plot from Sunni politician's bodyguards. Info came to Malicki when he was in DC to trumpet the then newest status of forces agreement. Malicki took it as carte blanche for some cleansing of Sunnis from the govt which further pushed the Sunni ex-military to insurrection.
Having said that, the one decision from a US politician most "helpful" to the strength of ISIS was the decision to disband the Iraqi military. Y'all do get that most of their brain trust, at least militarily, are former Iraqi military leaders, right? You know, the 100k or so trained fighters left with no job and no purpose while the Iraqi forces had to start from scratch?
And, on the other team's side, Obama's biggest help was letting Malicki know he didn't care how he responded to alleged death plot from Sunni politician's bodyguards. Info came to Malicki when he was in DC to trumpet the then newest status of forces agreement. Malicki took it as carte blanche for some cleansing of Sunnis from the govt which further pushed the Sunni ex-military to insurrection.
Still waiting for someone to explain how that is a liberal position.
I am a lefty. But I do not claim nor do I feel any need to defend or adopt the positions of the Democratic Party. They are somewhat preferable to the GOP on a number of positions - climate change, women's rights, economic equality, the safety net, education, and several more - but they aren't that great.
Well, the US did kind of hand select al-Maliki, a guy you didn't want to run your local high school let alone a volatile post war country.
The Sunni cleanse started under Bush, at least Bush recognized it and helped mentor al-Maliki a little bit telling him he needs to bring back the Sunnis to the table. I agree, Obama totally exasperated the situation by cutting the cord to Iraq and al-Maliki.
It also didn't help matters that General Patraeus and the US Government, in 2007, gave the Sunni Rebels $400,000,000 which most got funneled back into ISIS's hands
Our government seems to be really good at funneling money and goods that ends up in the wrong hands...
Or in the Liberals approach - just give them to them and then blame someone else.
Thanks Holder!
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If we want to be historically accurate (ha! Here on HROT?) - the actual answer is European colonial powers (and to a lesser extent, the rapidly ascending-in-power U.S.) after WWI.
The re-drawing of the Middle East map in the aftermath of WWI has been an unmitigated disaster whose negative effects we continue to feel today. Particular blame needs to go to Great Britain, which carved up Palestine and Iraq with no regard to ethinic and religious boundaries that had been in place for hundreds of years.
But it's a lot more fun, I guess, to try and pin-the-blame on current and recent leaders - even though they've had the misfortune of having to play out an awful, losing hand dealt to them nearly 100 years ago.
The re-drawing of the Middle East map in the aftermath of WWI has been an unmitigated disaster whose negative effects we continue to feel today. Particular blame needs to go to Great Britain, which carved up Palestine and Iraq with no regard to ethinic and religious boundaries that had been in place for hundreds of years.
But it's a lot more fun, I guess, to try and pin-the-blame on current and recent leaders - even though they've had the misfortune of having to play out an awful, losing hand dealt to them nearly 100 years ago.
No ISIS in Iraq if Saddam was still there. Bush all the way. Ok - Saddam was a bad man. Let us look at secondary - Bush chose to disband the Iraq army - which led to a long insurgency. The new army did not do so hot against ISIS. Bush again.
I blame God.
Or maybe Abel.
If Abel hadn't presented god with burnt flesh offerings from his flocks - in violation of God's law not to eat meat - and if God had not favored Abel's offering over Cain's offering, then Cain wouldn't have slain Abel and then gone off to found the Arab race, while milquetoast Seth founded the Jews and the rest of us good guys.
Don't get me wrong, it was just and proper for Cain to kill Abel, the cheating shit. We wouldn't want to be descended from scum like that, would we?
