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Who do you Blame Most for MAGA?

Who do you blame most for MAGAs endurance?


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ThorneStockton

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Out of these options, who do you blame most or hold most in contempt for Trump's hijacking of the GOP and the persistence of MAGA/Trumpism for nearly a decade now? The options are not exhaustive - Trump himself is absent - so choose the closest bucket and/or explain.

- Grifters/Benefactors: People who participate/perpetuate the movement for profit/power. Examples: Right wing media, the MAGA political class (MTG, Boebert, Lake, Santos, etc.), Musk, Big Tech leaders, crypto folks, only care about lower taxes, or some specific regulatory item, etc.

- Spineless Know Betters: The 'traditional' Republican politicians who let their party get hijacked. They know better, privately they wish Trump never existed, publicly they toe the line. They could have impeached him after 1/6 but they overestimated the decency of their base and took the easy way out. They stand by with the absurdity, the repulsive behavior, the conspiracies', and are feckless. And much of it wasn't endured to obtain traditional conservative policy. The GOP has gone populist. Free trade? That's for Marxists now.

- The "Deplorables" - the group that most people think of when thinking of MAGA. They're in red hats, flags flying, their identity is tied to Donald Trump, 1/6ers, detached from reality, it's like a religion. Many of them are at least one of: angry, impoverished, in pain, addicted, bitter, resentful, undereducated, left behind. They are vulnerable to a 'savior' character like Trump and are in need for a group to blame/hate, and a group to belong to and feel apart of... MAGA.

- Disinterested/Reluctant Trump voter - The people who cannot be bothered to pay attention to the news and politics. They usually vote in the presidential elections, sometimes not. Maybe they lean conservative, maybe they're rural, maybe their friends and family were always Republican growing up, so when it comes time to vote, they usually vote for Republican. Maybe they voted for a Democrat the last time, but their sense of the trajectory of the country, calls for a switch.

- Democrats - They ran poor candidates. Two women, one really old man. Hillary was vilified for years and was anointed, plus her emails. Biden was too old and feeble. The handoff to another anointed - minority - woman was not ideal. They focused too much on DEI, and got too soft on immigration, inflation occurred on Biden's watch. They slow walked the Trump criminal prosecutions. Their candidates and performance fostered an environment where Trumpism can thrive.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Whomever didn't bitch slap down the stupid tea party phuckers back in the day started this cancer and it has just spread. The average American is a completely self involved, coddled, mind numbingly gullible dipshit that doesn't have the slightest clue how "it" all works and will fall hook, line, and sinker for piles and piles of dogshit if it makes them feel validated. The adults in the Republican room lost the plot when the tea party reared it's obnoxious head and because no one cut it off -- we got MAGA. Bunch of phucking degenerate idiots.

Edit to add: So, Spineless Know Betters is my vote. Deplorables and Distracted (while abhorrent) are just clueless pawns in the game. Grifters on their own aren't that smart and would be nowhere without the Know Betters. The Dems are idiots for not putting up a defense that should squash MAGA, but you can't always blame someone else for punching yourself in the nuts -- even though the repubs try to do it all the time.
 
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I have some sympathy for the Deplorables, they're vulnerable, and in some sense, the greatest victims of it all. I can also understand the grifters, their incentives are simple and digestible. The disinterested, I can also understand, not everyone is interested in politics, and the reluctant, I get that the 'other side' may not be an option. The democrats have certainly made strategic errors, but I can't blame them the most for MAGA's staying power.

Thus, I most blame the spineless know betters.
 
Tough call between the grifters and the spineless but went with grifters. The core MAGA base are morons who are not a large enough voting block to get the job done. It takes others. The disinterested would not have voted Trump if they weren’t swayed by the grifters and spineless folks tweeting support for Trump, going on Rogan, etc.

In third place I put the Dems. Completely out to lunch on what mattered to swing voters.
 
Your face is to blame.
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LMFAO. This is like asking who we should blame for ice cream. Or asking Philly fans who they should blame for winning the Super Bowl.
 
I'd say Bush and Cheney because of the Iraq war. So much pride and belief in our righteousness was lost. Resentment and bitterness took hold.

2nd place would be whoever came up with the idea of The Real World on MTV. So many people are now intoxicated with a reality TV understanding of human relations.
 
There was populist sentiment on both sides in 2016. Bernie probably wouldn't have won the nomination, but the Clintons/DNC appeared to make sure that Hillary won.

The Dems nominated one of the most polarizing figures possible in Hilary and an imbecile in Kamala. In between, Biden beat Trump by positioning himself as a moderate Democrat. I would say there are several reasons for MAGA, but the Dems could win and will win again by not embracing the fringe left.
 
Social Media. It took every idiot yelling at their TVs and basement ceilings, and put a microphone in front of them to share their idiocy to millions of other like minded folks.
i think this is the closest to the correct answer

social media made "attention" the most valuable and sought after thing in the world...which just amplified its importance in politics

and trump's best skill, the one's monetized for decades now, is commanding people's attention
 
Pretty much one and the same for a lot of them and their goals. The term Teavengelicals doesn't exist without reason. Stupid religious phuckers.
Donald Trump wouldn’t be president. If people like you would do something productive in society.
 
“You guessed it…Frank Stallone.”

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It's obviously a little bit of every party and every group.

But I think the two biggest causes are:

- The American education system - we simply used to be smarter by every measurable metric - too many people are too dumb. And that goes for both major political parties.
- Social media - it's allowed us to display and spew our stupidity and lies a million times over until people either give up arguing about it or take the stupidity and lies and intelligence and truth
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Whomever didn't bitch slap down the stupid tea party phuckers back in the day started this cancer and it has just spread. The average American is a completely self involved, coddled, mind numbingly gullible dipshit that doesn't have the slightest clue how "it" all works and will fall hook, line, and sinker for piles and piles of dogshit if it makes them feel validated. The adults in the Republican room lost the plot when the tea party reared it's obnoxious head and because no one cut it off -- we got MAGA. Bunch of phucking degenerate idiots.

Edit to add: So, Spineless Know Betters is my vote. Deplorables and Distracted (while abhorrent) are just clueless pawns in the game. Grifters on their own aren't that smart and would be nowhere without the Know Betters. The Dems are idiots for not putting up a defense that should squash MAGA, but you can't always blame someone else for punching yourself in the nuts -- even though the repubs try to do it all the time.
Back when the tea party emerged, I told the RNC that I would no longer contribute, because of the tea party.

Several reasons for that, the first being the tea party evangelicals.
 
It's democrats. They ignored common sense for so long the American people got fed up with it.

Have you seen the latest approval numbers?
Trump: 53%
Democrats: 31%

That was what CBS News reported, and that is NOT a conservative outlet...
Republicans chose Trump over every alternative in two GOP primaries. Trump and what he does falls squarely on them.
 
Republicans chose Trump over every alternative in two GOP primaries. Trump and what he does falls squarely on them.
Sure, but he won the general because Democrats chose to align with the extreme left.

However, I don't see any other president coming in and moving on his agenda as quickly as trump has, and that's great.

I never voted for Trump in a primary, but I'm very happy with DOGE...it's a great start.
 
Sure, but he won the general because Democrats chose to align with the extreme left.

However, I don't see any other president coming in and moving on his agenda as quickly as trump has, and that's great.

I never voted for Trump in a primary, but I'm very happy with DOGE...it's a great start.
Can’t wait to see what you have to say when we have our next 9/11.

Get rid of all our spies, that’s really smart. Get rid of DOD, great idea.

We’ve already alienated most of our allies. No one is going to give us a heads up on “incoming”.

The country is currently being run like a combination of The Sims and Civilization.

Great idea. Run the country like you’re playing a video game.
 
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