As opposed to:
2016: Bombastic Moron
2020: Bombastic Moron
2024: Bombastic Moron Criminal
Who do you Blame Most for MAGA?
- Thread starter ThorneStockton
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2016: Bombastic Moron
2020: Bombastic Moron
2024: Bombastic Moron Criminal
Yep. It’s when I left the party. I saw where it was headed. Human trash heap.
Another guy who totally didn't support Trump in the primary but loves and defends everything Trump does. It's crazy how many of you we have around here.
I’ve come to the conclusion, based on observations, that there are a few rich people that support this mess, because they think they’ll make more money.
The rest of them are simply ignorant. Some admitting that they were poor students and never finished high school. A few others like to amass guns and brag about how many they have.
Then there are a few that never served in the military, but like to pretend that they did, until confronted with the fact that they didn’t. Those respond with, “but I wanted to. My uncle was in the army “
I laugh over all of this. But, it saddens me that this is not mainstream America. It’s not even mainstream America in Tallahassee.
Ultimately we’re all to blame. Back in my younger days, we worked for people, Republican or Democrat, whomever was your choice. We didn’t sit on our hind ends, cheering 1/6, or horrified that it happened.
We didn’t do a damn thing. Too complacent.
Why didn’t Pelosi call in the National Guard when offered? Politics?
Why did she blame herself for not having enough security personnel at the Capitol that day?
Rupert Murdoch should be at the top of the list. He groomed himself a president.
Besides Rupert, I went with the spineless know betters who figured they’d keep Trump in check. People like Breadbags who’s is cowering in fear at a primary and praying the country doesn’t collapse before the normals come out of their hidey holes in January of 2027
Which of those has 34 felony convictions?
Grifters, just look how strong the grift economy is now. A bit of a griftocracy.
Very interesting poll and I think you can make a compelling case for all of the choices because each of them have had their hand in the last 8-9 years.
Trump's run in 2016: I think you can put the most of the blame on Deplorables and Democrats. IIRC a lot of the grifters, spineless know betters, and disinterested voters hadn't gone full throat behind Trump. Personally I think they believed he would lose the general election and that would rid the Republican of his supporters. The Dems had the same thoughts and assumed they could roll out a corporate centrist candidate and win even though she had been a very unpopular person in politics for a long time. The Deplorables were determined to vote in 2016 because they hated Hillary and they thought a Trump presidency would be a giant middle finger to Obama.
The aftermath of the 2020 election: That falls on the grifters and spineless know betters. They spread those lies and ultimately let Trump off the hook because they didn't want to let the gravy train end.
2024 Primaries: This falls on the disinterested republican voters. Trump's support among the grifters and SKBs was starting to crack and their were plenty of Little Ron/Haley backers in those groups but ultimately the deplorables turned out to vote.
2024 General: This falls on the Democrats, from Bidem not dropping out to them running Kamala as the status quo centrist candidate. It's like they learned nothing from the past two elections.
Tl:dr answer? Grifters. They mainstreamed Trump's lies, and emboldened the deplorables to the point that the SKBs thought they were committing political suicide if they tried to stand up to Trump.
Trump's run in 2016: I think you can put the most of the blame on Deplorables and Democrats. IIRC a lot of the grifters, spineless know betters, and disinterested voters hadn't gone full throat behind Trump. Personally I think they believed he would lose the general election and that would rid the Republican of his supporters. The Dems had the same thoughts and assumed they could roll out a corporate centrist candidate and win even though she had been a very unpopular person in politics for a long time. The Deplorables were determined to vote in 2016 because they hated Hillary and they thought a Trump presidency would be a giant middle finger to Obama.
The aftermath of the 2020 election: That falls on the grifters and spineless know betters. They spread those lies and ultimately let Trump off the hook because they didn't want to let the gravy train end.
2024 Primaries: This falls on the disinterested republican voters. Trump's support among the grifters and SKBs was starting to crack and their were plenty of Little Ron/Haley backers in those groups but ultimately the deplorables turned out to vote.
2024 General: This falls on the Democrats, from Bidem not dropping out to them running Kamala as the status quo centrist candidate. It's like they learned nothing from the past two elections.
Tl:dr answer? Grifters. They mainstreamed Trump's lies, and emboldened the deplorables to the point that the SKBs thought they were committing political suicide if they tried to stand up to Trump.
The origin of MAGA goes back decades with the advent of unbridled divisiveness in the country and most certainly between the two parties. And who was the author of much of this - Rush Limbaugh and his caustic afternoon radio show.
AM radio and the elimination of the Fairness Doctrine. Most of today started with Reagan.
stupid polls lead to this. Thinking one thing (or one party) is the answer. When did people become so binary and not consider multiple solutions to one problem?
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate. Is it purposefully abstract or should I know the answer to these questions.
What stupid polls? What is 'this'? The answer to what? What one problem?
I truly believe economic inequality is the cause of many of the nations issues, including MAGA
This is such bullshit. Biden compared to other Democratic Presidents is overall pretty moderate. Guys like you just want something to have grievances about. I don’t know what you do for a living or where you live but if you’re an Iowan and like seeing the brain drain going on in the state I grew up in you’re nuts. Test scores falling year after year while guys like you praising Reynolds while young people leave in droves. Enjoy it.
Not abstract, at least to me.
Post any question, politically any issue, it’s almost always one answered along political lines, there’s no in between.
Reducing complex problems to simplistic answers is lazy.
This isn’t remedial math. “Who caused egg prices to go up” isn’t answered by Biden or Trump.
This poll is an example.
**edit: you always are respectful in asking me to clarify my idiocy, so I mean no offense in responding with more of my idiocy
I think I follow what you're saying. I agree, in general, there should be more middle ground, gray area, room to appreciate the nuance and context, just better understanding overall. At the same time, there should also be times where we feel comfortable being one sided. Sometimes something is true. There doesn't need to be a middle ground between someone who says the sky is blue and someone who says the sky is red. We don't need to meet in the middle at yellow.
And I also agree, the tribal lines within threads here often get drawn very quickly, seemingly regardless of the subject.
All that said, I was confused why you were posting about this, because this poll isn't binary, it's not either/or, it's choose a option that you blame most among the others. There's no one reason why Trump has successfully hijacked the GOP and sustained a movement, there's a bunch of reasons, there's a bunch of groups of people who we can internally "blame". I was curious who people blamed the most.
Well said.
As I mentioned in one of my posts, I began to see the change when the tea party appeared. I did literally yell at the RNC person over the phone regarding some things being floated.
But, the thing is, most people don’t read much anymore. They watch TV and play with their phones.
Even people that are supposed to be educated don’t know what an internment camp was, never heard of Dachau and forget Mussolini or Franco, they’ve never heard of them.
When people are ignorant of history, they can’t understand nor do they care about the current state of affairs.
I really think the Maga thing comes from the America First type of white nationalist movements of the 1930's. Trump has always yelled about America First, etc etc, no foreign wars, etc etc. He struck a cord there but....
Then paired with that is Trump is such a liar and dumb people believe everything he says so deplorables come into it as they just cannot figure out tariffs hurt them, that Repubs give big tax give aways to the top 5% while the poor white people and lower 50% just keep sucking hind tit. But that is the thing as so many of these politicians just lie
Biden may have been “pretty moderate”; however, he became so weak & despondent that he essentially abdicated his presidential power to his liberal cabinet & other wacko left wingers.
Sorry, but this is a wordy response for “maga are stupid”, which again I say is lazy.
How about “MAGA are lazy. And because they’re lazy, they’re inferred to be stupid.” Is that better?
There’s plenty of blame to go around. The question I have: Who is going to get us out of this mess?
As much as I do want to put most of the blame on Republicans, Dems haven’t been doing anything to actually fight it.
We need a common voice to unite behind and fight it.
I just don’t see that happening anytime soon.
As much as I do want to put most of the blame on Republicans, Dems haven’t been doing anything to actually fight it.
We need a common voice to unite behind and fight it.
I just don’t see that happening anytime soon.
