who else thinks transfers are RUINING wrestling??

[thefanswin]

It’s time someone said it: transferring to a different school’s wrestling team is a betrayal and moral failure. Your teammates are your brothers... you sweat, bleed, and cry alongside them in victory and defeat. That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL. You owe your life to that school, coach, and teammates. What happened to accountability? Just because you’re facing some adversity getting in a line up doesn’t give you the excuse to jump ship. Why not try getting better at wrestling? You don’t see our US Marines transferring to Alaska’s military, so why do we accept wrestlers transferring?

Instead of the liberal NCAA giving cowards a way out, there should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. Of course if schools required students to pay a larger sum up front they could withhold that payment as penalty for transfer. The problem is many students use loans to attend college, so you can’t withhold money you haven’t been paid. An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. Additionally, the NCAA could just ban transfers but we know that’s not going to happen thanks to the sleepy commie in office.

Not knowing which athletes are competing for which teams, not building team camaraderie, and teaching kids that loyalty is something you p*** on are all problems ruining our sport and they’re all thanks to one thing: transfers. F**k ‘em.

 

[GableEdge]

Jaydin Eierman says hello.

 

[IAChief32]

It’s time someone said it: transferring to a different school’s wrestling team is a betrayal and moral failure. Your teammates are your brothers... you sweat, bleed, and cry alongside them in victory and defeat. That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL. You owe your life to that school, coach, and teammates. What happened to accountability? Just because you’re facing some adversity getting in a line up doesn’t give you the excuse to jump ship. Why not try getting better at wrestling? You don’t see our US Marines transferring to Alaska’s military, so why do we accept wrestlers transferring?

Instead of the liberal NCAA giving cowards a way out, there should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. Of course if schools required students to pay a larger sum up front they could withhold that payment as penalty for transfer. The problem is many students use loans to attend college, so you can’t withhold money you haven’t been paid. An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. Additionally, the NCAA could just ban transfers but we know that’s not going to happen thanks to the sleepy commie in office.

Not knowing which athletes are competing for which teams, not building team camaraderie, and teaching kids that loyalty is something you p*** on are all problems ruining our sport and they’re all thanks to one thing: transfers. F**k ‘em.

Like a fungus, this guy is growing on me.

 

[wasdt21]

i want to play god, everyone will go where i tell them to.

 

[lookleft goright]

As I posted on the BWI site, I hate the transfers also. I feel bad for guys like Carter Happel or Jared Glosser who train for 4 years with the hope of finally getting the starting spot as a 5th year senior and then along comes a transfer. (Although, I think Lugo came along before Glosser's 5th year - but I could be wrong on that.)

 

[jrod65]

Like a fungus, this guy is growing on me.

Some pretty sage advice in there.

"Why not try getting better at wrestling?"

 

[so cal hawkfan]

I believe Tom said it best when he said, “It’s not about what you deserve, it’s about what you earn.” It’s a great life lesson. If you work at a company and do a pretty good job, you may ‘deserve’ a promotion. But, if someone transfers from a different company and is better at your job than you, they are getting that promotion, cause they ‘earned’ it. As a parent of teens I can attest that they change their minds a lot.

 

[lookleft goright]

I believe Tom said it best when he said, “It’s not about what you deserve, it’s about what you earn.” It’s a great life lesson. If you work at a company and do a pretty good job, you may ‘deserve’ a promotion. But, if someone transfers from a different company and is better at your job than you, they are getting that promotion, cause they ‘earned’ it. As a parent of teens I can attest that they change their minds a lot.

I get it and I understand it, but I also feel that part of being on a team is that you are loyal and the guys can trust you. If you can leave at the drop of a hat, it undermines the loyalty and I think in the long run hurts the team and the sport.

I could be totally wrong, but if you listen to guys in the military it is important to know that your buddy has your back. When guys transfer, it seems to send the message that they do not have your back and the only reason they are there is for their own benefit and not the team or anything else.

Maybe that is life, but it sure takes a way from the concept of this is our team and we are going to do this together.

 

[rider57]

It’s time someone said it: transferring to a different school’s wrestling team is a betrayal and moral failure. Your teammates are your brothers... you sweat, bleed, and cry alongside them in victory and defeat. That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL. You owe your life to that school, coach, and teammates. What happened to accountability? Just because you’re facing some adversity getting in a line up doesn’t give you the excuse to jump ship. Why not try getting better at wrestling? You don’t see our US Marines transferring to Alaska’s military, so why do we accept wrestlers transferring?

Instead of the liberal NCAA giving cowards a way out, there should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. Of course if schools required students to pay a larger sum up front they could withhold that payment as penalty for transfer. The problem is many students use loans to attend college, so you can’t withhold money you haven’t been paid. An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. Additionally, the NCAA could just ban transfers but we know that’s not going to happen thanks to the sleepy commie in office.

Not knowing which athletes are competing for which teams, not building team camaraderie, and teaching kids that loyalty is something you p*** on are all problems ruining our sport and they’re all thanks to one thing: transfers. F**k ‘em.

You ever changed jobs?

What's your thoughts on a coach changing schools (changing jobs)?

Just curious if your passion runs across your whole life or only on teams you root for and military.

I happen to be a pretty damn big fan of DeSanto, Lugo, & Eireman.

 

[el dub]

I get it and I understand it, but I also feel that part of being on a team is that you are loyal and the guys can trust you. If you can leave at the drop of a hat, it undermines the loyalty and I think in the long run hurts the team and the sport.

I could be totally wrong, but if you listen to guys in the military it is important to know that your buddy has your back. When guys transfer, it seems to send the message that they do not have your back and the only reason they are there is for their own benefit and not the team or anything else.

Maybe that is life, but it sure takes a way from the concept of this is our team and we are going to do this together.

The military? lol

Sir, this is more like a Wendy’s…

 

[pml_dad]

It’s time someone said it: transferring to a different school’s wrestling team is a betrayal and moral failure. Your teammates are your brothers... you sweat, bleed, and cry alongside them in victory and defeat. That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL. You owe your life to that school, coach, and teammates. What happened to accountability? Just because you’re facing some adversity getting in a line up doesn’t give you the excuse to jump ship. Why not try getting better at wrestling? You don’t see our US Marines transferring to Alaska’s military, so why do we accept wrestlers transferring?

Instead of the liberal NCAA giving cowards a way out, there should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. Of course if schools required students to pay a larger sum up front they could withhold that payment as penalty for transfer. The problem is many students use loans to attend college, so you can’t withhold money you haven’t been paid. An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. Additionally, the NCAA could just ban transfers but we know that’s not going to happen thanks to the sleepy commie in office.

Not knowing which athletes are competing for which teams, not building team camaraderie, and teaching kids that loyalty is something you p*** on are all problems ruining our sport and they’re all thanks to one thing: transfers. F**k ‘em.

Haha!!
My favorite lines:
1.) Once you commit, you owe your LIFE to that school!
2.) There should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. (Lol that while talking about the needed accountability you purposely fell on your face, reminding everyone [in the same sentence] that they commit at an age where society has made laws to minimize accountability in their life IE Too young to vote or to have any dumb mistakes permanently put on their police record.)
3.) An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. (Kinda funny but even the bottom 10% of the intelligent public can see you're trolling here)

 

[ArturoFuente]

I totally agree with the OP. I mean, next thing you know a U.S Marine is going to be transferring to "Alaska's Military." And they don't even have wrestling.

 

[el dub]

I totally agree with the OP. I mean, next thing you know a U.S Marine is going to be transferring to "Alaska's Military." And they don't even have wrestling.

Well, you CAN see Russia from there…

 

[CesspoolHawk]

It’s time someone said it: transferring to a different school’s wrestling team is a betrayal and moral failure. Your teammates are your brothers... you sweat, bleed, and cry alongside them in victory and defeat. That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL. You owe your life to that school, coach, and teammates. What happened to accountability? Just because you’re facing some adversity getting in a line up doesn’t give you the excuse to jump ship. Why not try getting better at wrestling? You don’t see our US Marines transferring to Alaska’s military, so why do we accept wrestlers transferring?

Instead of the liberal NCAA giving cowards a way out, there should be penalties for those who choose to abandon the solemn oath of commitment they made as a 16 year old. Of course if schools required students to pay a larger sum up front they could withhold that payment as penalty for transfer. The problem is many students use loans to attend college, so you can’t withhold money you haven’t been paid. An alternative would be to collect a genetic sample from the athlete which could then be frozen and used to create a child with a willing egg donor who was raised inside the school, guaranteeing a future athlete of similar athletic pedigree. Additionally, the NCAA could just ban transfers but we know that’s not going to happen thanks to the sleepy commie in office.

Not knowing which athletes are competing for which teams, not building team camaraderie, and teaching kids that loyalty is something you p*** on are all problems ruining our sport and they’re all thanks to one thing: transfers. F**k ‘em.

How long have you been telling kids to get off your lawn?

 

[MilleGinja]

I for one expect that 16-18 year olds to be able to make a life-altering decision and stick with it no matter what happens. /s

 

[chuck285]

Two sides to this thread. I hate it when someone transfers to PS just to win a team trophy. But it's okay if they come to Iowa to get better.

 

[SASHmoney]

It’s not the GD military, it’s not life or death. I know we all take it seriously but it is college kids in a sport. And you should shop around in life. Keep looking for a better job, shop for better insurance, look for a better interest rate. Don’t hold yourself back from a better situation over “loyalty” that would drop you for a better deal on their end.

 

[Rustys Dad]

I think kids should be allowed one transfer during their college years. While I’m not a huge fan of the portal and agree it’s changed the scope of college athletics, kids only get one chance to be a college athlete. So if that means moving to a different school with the hope of more playing time/mat time then all the power to them. I will also say I’ve enjoyed watching Eierman, Lugo, and DeSanto… They made us better.

 

[west2east]

I get it and I understand it, but I also feel that part of being on a team is that you are loyal and the guys can trust you. If you can leave at the drop of a hat, it undermines the loyalty and I think in the long run hurts the team and the sport.

I could be totally wrong, but if you listen to guys in the military it is important to know that your buddy has your back. When guys transfer, it seems to send the message that they do not have your back and the only reason they are there is for their own benefit and not the team or anything else.

Maybe that is life, but it sure takes a way from the concept of this is our team and we are going to do this together.

Hopefully your son never ends up on the transfer portal or this post won't age well. Parents tend to follow the process along with the kids so it's Jr high then it's high school. Not saying you don't understand college wrestling but your about to learn lot more over the next few years. I would anticipate that your feelings will be different in about 5 years

 

[hawkeye54545]

I don't mind transfers but I hate the play/wrestle immediately all sports do now.

 

[lookleft goright]

Hopefully your son never ends up on the transfer portal or this post won't age well. Parents tend to follow the process along with the kids so it's Jr high then it's high school. Not saying you don't understand college wrestling but your about to learn lot more over the next few years. I would anticipate that your feelings will be different in about 5 years

I am not sure what you are referring to. I did say that I understand why kids transfer, I just am not a big fan of it. Most of my reasons are just old fashioned and out of date. The "kids only get one chance and they should get what they want" line of thought does not resonate with me.

Oddly enough, it does not bother me if a kid leaves to find a spot to wrestle because he is tired of sitting behind someone else. What bothers me is when an AA transfers from a school who helped mold him and the school depends on him. That seems like an ungrateful act and then on top of that, he bumps another kid out of the line up who has paid his dues.

I know that is how life goes and you get what you earn, but I do not like it. I also do not like fried zucchini, but I can live with people who do and I am not saying that no one should ever be allowed to fry zucchini.

I also hope my son never ends up in the transfer portal.

 

[west2east]

I am not sure what you are referring to. I did say that I understand why kids transfer, I just am not a big fan of it. Most of my reasons are just old fashioned and out of date. The "kids only get one chance and they should get what they want" line of thought does not resonate with me.

Oddly enough, it does not bother me if a kid leaves to find a spot to wrestle because he is tired of sitting behind someone else. What bothers me is when an AA transfers from a school who helped mold him and the school depends on him. That seems like an ungrateful act and then on top of that, he bumps another kid out of the line up who has paid his dues.

I know that is how life goes and you get what you earn, but I do not like it. I also do not like fried zucchini, but I can live with people who do and I am not saying that no one should ever be allowed to fry zucchini.

I also hope my son never ends up in the transfer portal.

To me a kid only gets one chance and he leaves because he's behind someone he can't beat are the samething.

 

[js8793]

Amazing that this guy keeps getting people to genuinely bite on his posts because they're only a degree or two more ridiculous than what a lot of people actually think. Once again a masterclass.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I get it and I understand it, but I also feel that part of being on a team is that you are loyal and the guys can trust you. If you can leave at the drop of a hat, it undermines the loyalty and I think in the long run hurts the team and the sport.

I could be totally wrong, but if you listen to guys in the military it is important to know that your buddy has your back. When guys transfer, it seems to send the message that they do not have your back and the only reason they are there is for their own benefit and not the team or anything else.

Maybe that is life, but it sure takes a way from the concept of this is our team and we are going to do this together.

While I agree completely with the "buddy has your back" philosophy, I also support the concept that the new guy who now has my back is a better shooter, better at hand to hand combat, better at anything else you might need than my buddy was.

 

[SPOONER]

Not at all. This has been going on for years and it doesn't make me any less interested in wrestling. I've enjoyed the likes of DeSanto, Eierman, and Lugo at Iowa but maybe that's just me.

 

[lookleft goright]

To me a kid only gets one chance and he leaves because he's behind someone he can't beat are the samething.

I can see that also. I guess it would take a long conversation to accurately describe my position on this and I am not sure anyone cares - including me as to what I actually think and feel. Both people are leaving for selfish reasons. One just seems to be less grateful and a bit greedier. But again, I totally see where you are coming from.

We had better start calling each other names or something or this may get pulled for not being up to the standards of the cess pool.

 

[lookleft goright]

The military? lol

Sir, this is more like a Wendy’s…

I was not trying to infer that this is anything like the military or that in any way it resembles the things our military go thru in the course of combat or the training. I am only trying to point out that loyalty is a valuable asset, which is made obvious in the military, and therefore it should be held in high esteem in other instances. If someone transfers from a place that has trained him/her to be an AA, it is usually done without the slightest attention or regard to loyalty.
Maybe I am a bit too much of an idealist.

 

[T8KUDWN]

Sometimes an individual just needs a fresh start. Lots of different reasons why an athlete might want to transfer. Classes, distance from home, maybe they don't feel they made the right choice the 1st time and want to give a different program a try.

 

[HawkAlum2002]

I have no problem with transfers, but barring a very unique circumstance you should have to sit out a year and either forfeit a year of eligibility or use a redshirt if you hadn't previously. Unless you are a grad transfer, then I feel you've already honored your commitment as a student-athlete and that's your reward if you had extra eligibility remaining.

 

[ping72]

Wrestling is simply trailing the trend set by football and basketball on this trend.

I have no problem with it. Athletes are not employees, they’re not slaves... let them do what they think is best for them. They work too hard and give too much to be forced to show loyalty to a coach/school that is under no obligation to show loyalty back.

 

[MilleGinja]

I don't mind transfers but I hate the play/wrestle immediately all sports do now.

I love it. Why should they be penalized for changing their minds?

 

[burk11]

That’s why when a teenage wrestler makes a commitment to a school it should be FINAL.

Well, ‘final’ can last a long, long time. And does final have the same meaning to the athlete, to the coach, to the institution, to the parents. Me thinks not.

Things change.

There seems to be much change and turmoil in collegiate athletics today. Including the portal, the pandemic, the Supreme Court, the issues with big money. But I have always believed the NCAA ship will eventually find safe harbor. And when all else fails, the NCAA will do the right thing.

Martin Luther King writing from Montgomery “How Long, Not Long” paraphrases abolitionist Theodore Parker, The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. If you contemplate, this is a perfect truth.

 

[west2east]

I can see that also. I guess it would take a long conversation to accurately describe my position on this and I am not sure anyone cares - including me as to what I actually think and feel. Both people are leaving for selfish reasons. One just seems to be less grateful and a bit greedier. But again, I totally see where you are coming from.

We had better start calling each other names or something or this may get pulled for not being up to the standards of the cess pool.

I would agree with both being selfish. But as you know not many people are gonna have your back in the real world.

That's usually the way it ends up going name calling and something about a bridge 🤣😂

 

[ping72]

I get it and I understand it, but I also feel that part of being on a team is that you are loyal and the guys can trust you. If you can leave at the drop of a hat, it undermines the loyalty and I think in the long run hurts the team and the sport.

I could be totally wrong, but if you listen to guys in the military it is important to know that your buddy has your back. When guys transfer, it seems to send the message that they do not have your back and the only reason they are there is for their own benefit and not the team or anything else.

Maybe that is life, but it sure takes a way from the concept of this is our team and we are going to do this together.

In the military you need to know a guy has your back so you both live. Horrible analogy to a wrestling room. “Oh no... the backup 57 lber is transferring to start elsewhere, he didn’t have my back! I’ll never AA now

Weird analogy.

To me it’s no different than leaving the company that gave you a start and trained you. Sure you might feel bad, but you have to take care of #1.

 

[MorleysDawg]

To me it’s no different than leaving the company that gave you a start and trained you. Sure you might feel bad, but you have to take care of #1.

Unless your Cael Sanderson. In that case you shouldn't look to better yourself and your family. What you need to do is stay put so whiny wrestling fans dont get pissy because you turned a rival team into a dominant one..

 

[wasdt21]

look who's whining

 

[93hawkeye]

I don't think it's ruining wrestling. Wrestling is very much an individual sport. I am fine with kids going where they think they can best develop.
Iowa has benefitted greatly from transfers. Eierman, Lugo, DeSanto have been mentioned.
Metcalf, TJ Williams, Ray Brinzer, etc, etc have all added to my enjoyment of the Hawks' team

 

[rider57]

Unless your Cael Sanderson. In that case you shouldn't look to better yourself and your family. What you need to do is stay put so whiny wrestling fans dont get pissy because you turned a rival team into a dominant one..

It would have been a lot more fun for me if he stayed @ ISU. They would have remained relevant which makes our state a lot of fun! And it would have left the kitties irrelevant. Would you still be a wrestling fan? You certainly wouldn't be on the Hawkeye message board would you?

 

[nearfall2]

Unless your Cael Sanderson. In that case you shouldn't look to better yourself and your family. What you need to do is stay put so whiny wrestling fans dont get pissy because you turned a rival team into a dominant one..

Well, stabbing Bobby in the back, getting him fired or forced into retirement(which ever sounds best to you) so that he wouldn’t leave, just to leave 3 years later is a dirty scummy thing to do. I think any honest person would see that as a really loathe full thing to do. Had Bobby retired on his own terms and your boy taken the job and left shortly after I would have had no issues with that. Your boy is a great athlete and coach, but he did a horrible thing to a great man.

 

[lookleft goright]

Well, stabbing Bobby in the back, getting him fired or forced into retirement(which ever sounds best to you) so that he wouldn’t leave, just to leave 3 years later is a dirty scummy thing to do. I think any honest person would see that as a really loathe full thing to do. Had Bobby retired on his own terms and your boy taken the job and left shortly after I would have had no issues with that. Your boy is a great athlete and coach, but he did a horrible thing to a great man.

I am just wondering if the people who think it is best for the kids to look out for number 1 feel the same way about Cael moving to PSU? Do any of those guys care to make their feeling or thoughts known on this "looking out for number 1" ordeal?