Who wants ISU to beat TCU?

[NorthDSMHawk]

No. Only an idiot would not understand that having another successful program in the state directly hurts Iowa. There is a reason ISU was a historically bad program in the 80s-now. It had to do with Iowa being one of the Top 25 programs during that time. Guess when ISU had some of their most successful seasons? The 70's and a small period in the down years between Fry and Ferentz.

Best scenario for Iowa would be to have ISU lose their place in a P5 conference.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

True, but he also had Auburn ties...no doubt a big part of how he ended up there.

Yeah, I gotchu. And it was a shocking hire to pretty much everyone in the country. I know Auburn fans weren't happy about it, but it turned out pretty well for them, at least in that sCam Newton brought them a national championship.

I do think no matter what there will be lots of suitors for Matt Campbell for years to come (or however long he stays at ISU). Too many high-profile jobs open up every year because about every P5 head coaching gig comes with a short leash.

It will really be a matter of where Campbell wants to coach. If he wants the challenge of a high-profile job and more money, he'll be gone sooner than later. If he's happy in Ames and wants to raise his family in a smaller community, he may stick around for many years to come. Who knows.

 

[Iafootballfan]

When ISU wins 7 games this year and 5-6 next year the Campbell buzz will die out.

 

[David1979]

yeah, keep making that Iowa win look good.

 

[Im4Iowa]

Absolutely not. A lot of us want Kirk to show more passion in this rivalry and stop treating it like any other game, but then we turn around and cheer for ISU?

If we're wanting ISU to win because "it makes our win look better" or "it's good for the state," then we should just throw in the damn towel right now. I'm not going to put up anti-ISU posts or bash them at all, but Im sure not going to cheer for them...ever.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Did I miss where people are expecting us on the CFP Top 25 next week? Why the hell do they care if our win over them looks better? This year's SOS doesn't mean anything at this point.

 

[nitewing]

mark me down as one that wants to see them win. having 2 P5 programs being successful is good for the state of Iowa. beside if it pisses these ISU haters off then I like it even more.

 

[WhoaNellieCy]

No. Only an idiot would not understand that having another successful program in the state directly hurts Iowa. There is a reason ISU was a historically bad program in the 80s-now. It had to do with Iowa being one of the Top 25 programs during that time. Guess when ISU had some of their most successful seasons? The 70's and a small period in the down years between Fry and Ferentz.

Best scenario for Iowa would be to have ISU lose their place in a P5 conference.

Ya, Steel sharpens steel. Competition makes both programs better. Recruiting now is much more national than da 70s.

 

[no_one_]

Yes

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Ya, Steel sharpens steel. Competition makes both programs better. Recruiting now is much more national than da 70s.

No, it doesn't in this case.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Yeah, I think they can hang with them.

ISU in a bowl game means another game I get to watch with Iowa ties. I don't care what bowl game, but it makes it more enjoyable when both Iowa & ISU make a bowl game. Also if UNI makes a run in the playoffs.

FYI I feel the same about the NCAA basketball tournament as well. Love seeing Iowa schools in the big dance!

 

[hawkeye54545]

I hope TCU beats them with the ferocity of a man with a club on an island of seals.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

No. But if you removed the Lizard from the team, then yes.

 

[HAWKS4LIFE]

Yes, maybe it will wake up some people in Iowa City.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I generally root for ISU to do well as long as they aren't playing Iowa.

 

[83Hawk]

You so-called Hawkeye fans who want ISU to win make me sick. A successful ISU HURTS the Hawks. Is that what you want?

Go post on Cyclone Fanatic asking if they want Iowa to beat Minnesota and see how many "yea's" you get.

Disgusting.

 

[soybean]

I will be pulling for the Cyclones. A Top5 victory for them will not hurt Iowa in any single way. I hope they win out and become Big12 champs...just making their scalp worth that much more to us. No matter how good the ISU season ends up the Hawkeye still beat em...so we can always reply "scoreboard" when you encounter one of them on their high-horse.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

I will be pulling for the Cyclones. A Top5 victory for them will not hurt Iowa in any single way. I hope they win out and become Big12 champs...just making their scalp worth that much more to us. No matter how good the ISU season ends up the Hawkeye still beat em...so we can always reply "scoreboard" when you encounter one of them on their high-horse.

 

[soybean]

NorthDSMHawk - Both you and Simon are entraped in the same universe of unsupportable psuedo-truths that you cling to reflexively without regard to the self evident.

 

[WhoaNellieCy]

Sure, why not. ISU is taking advantage of the Big 12 being down this year.

Ya, ISU remaining SOS is #5; Iowa is #31.

8 of 10 Big 12 teams are in the top 36 of espn power index. Big 12 is not down, unless you consider it down because OU and TX are not in the Top 5. B1G West is what looks down to me.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings

 

[David1979]

When ISU wins 7 games this year and 5-6 next year the Campbell buzz will die out.

They will be better next year. They return a lot of guys.

 

[Underscore2]

Iowa State winning another game in a weak conference wouldn't surprise me really.

 

[BeardedAxeWound]

I hope TCU sets a new margin of victory record against them.

And then throws M80s in all their toilets.

 

[WisestIowan]

No. They are a rival. I hope they lose every game they play.

 

[NI hawk]

Despite the fact very minimal Clone fans would pull for Iowa, I hope they win. I am glad Kempt has been the QB during this streak. I do not care for Jacob (Trailer Trash) Park. Glad someone like him is not Iowas QB.

 

[bigfridaynite]

I'm cheering for Iowa state and I hope UNI knocks off ND State

 

[HaydenFerentz]

It won’t happen, TCU will make this look easy. Sorry Clones, but this delusion is about to end.

 

[PCBHAWK]

Ive never understood the hate for ISU?

It cant be about in-state recruiting considering Iowa has around 10 D1 recruits each year and most are 3 stars or less.

I can understand the hate for their arrogant, clueless fans.

 

[millah_22]

Yes. If Iowa needs ISU to suck so we can go 7-5 or 8-4, then does it truly really matter?

 

[millah_22]

I want them to win. Have at least one exciting team in this state.

 

[bdg8]

The "Campbell will be gone" thing is wayyy over hyped. 3-9 year one, One good year at 8-4 or 9-3 isn't going to have multiple ADs ringing his phone off the hook. Next year they're in rebuilding mode big time.. the Campbell buzz will die out.

Wrong . I would be shocked if he didn't have feelers sent his way

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Ive never understood the hate for ISU?

It cant be about in-state recruiting considering Iowa has around 10 D1 recruits each year and most are 3 stars or less.

I can understand the hate for their arrogant, clueless fans.

Lets use 9 for the sake of math. I'd say Iowa typically wins 2/3 of the recruiting battles with ISU, honestly, probably more. So on a given year, Iowa is probably bringing in 6 or the top 9 guys. That number seems pretty close, 2016 was 6, 2015 was 5. Occasionally, there will be a guy that goes out of state to Michigan, Neb, Miami, etc, but that would affect ISU too.

So Iowa is probably going to have 24 or so players from the state of Iowa on a roster of 85 (28%). Way more when you look at walk-ons that earn scholarships and so on, probably closer to 35% on average. If ISU starts being successful in football and Iowa's success stays similar or goes down, you can bet that over time that 2/3 will get closer to 1/2, possibly worse. All of a sudden that 28-35% of the roster experiences a pretty major downturn in quality as more high school players would consider ISU an viable alternative.

ISU being good has an impact on Iowa, and it isn't a good one.

 

[MesaClone]

The "Campbell will be gone" thing is wayyy over hyped. 3-9 year one, One good year at 8-4 or 9-3 isn't going to have multiple ADs ringing his phone off the hook. Next year they're in rebuilding mode big time.. the Campbell buzz will die out.

Actually, ISU is a very young team and wasn't really supposed to turn any corners until next year. Campos is looking to get a med RS and if he does, the OL will return 4 of 5 and nearly all its depth. The offense brings back most skill guys including Butler, Eaton and a good chunk of the receiving and TE corps. Lets not forget one of the best RB's in the country will return for his junior season as well.

The DL returns most of its key guys like Lima, Jaquan Bailey, Uwazurike, Tongamoa, Leo, Lensing, Benton and a few other guys who've played very well....2 of 3 LB's return as well and both cornerbacks (who are very good players).

Not proclaiming the program has arrived, but just looking at what comes back next year seems pretty indicative of a fielding a better team on the field for 2018. FYI, I expect Iowa will be better next season as well.

As for Campbell, its wishful thinking to imagine he's going anywhere in the next couple years. As mentioned before, it will take a genuinely elite program like Ohio State to lure him away. This is NOT to say those are the only programs better than ISU's, but Campbell is determined to build ISU to the level of anyone else below that elite caliber...he's been crystal clear that he's a builder, and has no interest in going into a place like...for example...Nebraska or Missouri...where coaches are run off if they don't pop out 9-10 win seasons immediately. Those kinds of thankless situations are precisely what he is smart enough to avoid. As for money, ISU is fully capable..and willing...to pay whatever is necessary outside of those top 5 elite type programs. The only real concern is losing good assistant coaches over this off season...a couple ISU assistants WILL be pursued heavily and that IS concerning.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

No, it doesn't in this case.

Well that is a matter of opinion. I subscribe to the point of view that prefers that ISU has success. If they have worked for it, ran a clean program, etc...then good for them.

If Iowa is sucking hind tit in this state because ISU has built their program up, then maybe there is some motivation to make some needed changes to the staff and/or philosophies that guide the program. If the Hawks don't like where they are sitting, then go to work and get better...don't hope that others suck.

BTW, I think Iowa does a great many things VERY, VERY WELL as an overall program and in large part, the football program is very good in many ways. But I also think that they have a few very persistent, aggravating weak points that take away from their overall great program...and these have been tolerated for far too long IMO.

It seems as though either stubbornness, lack of recognition, personal loyalty that overlooks actual performance/results, etc, cause these issues to persist year after year. If ISU "showing the way" causes Iowa to take stock of themselves and make a few changes, then that's life. It is a competitive environment, we need to meet the challenge, not hope that others also do not achieve.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Well that is a matter of opinion. I subscribe to the point of view that prefers that ISU has success. If they have worked for it, ran a clean program, etc...then good for them.

If Iowa is sucking hind tit in this state because ISU has built their program up, then maybe there is some motivation to make some needed changes to the staff and/or philosophies that guide the program. If the Hawks don't like where they are sitting, then go to work and get better...don't hope that others suck.

BTW, I think Iowa does a great many things VERY, VERY WELL as an overall program and in large part, the football program is very good in many ways. But I also think that they have a few very persistent, aggravating weak points that take away from their overall great program...and these have been tolerated for far too long IMO.

It seems as though either stubbornness, lack of recognition, personal loyalty that overlooks actual performance/results, etc, cause these issues to persist year after year. If ISU "showing the way" causes Iowa to take stock of themselves and make a few changes, then that's life. It is a competitive environment, we need to meet the challenge, not hope that others also do not achieve.

I actually agree with a ton of why you just posted. I'd just rather not play the chances of having another instate team rise to the level that they could take recruits, resources, or fans away from Iowa. If Iowa State becomes a stable, solid program, those things will all shift, how much so, I don't know and don't want to find out.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan]

Lets use 9 for the sake of math. I'd say Iowa typically wins 2/3 of the recruiting battles with ISU, honestly, probably more. So on a given year, Iowa is probably bringing in 6 or the top 9 guys. That number seems pretty close, 2016 was 6, 2015 was 5. Occasionally, there will be a guy that goes out of state to Michigan, Neb, Miami, etc, but that would affect ISU too.

So Iowa is probably going to have 24 or so players from the state of Iowa on a roster of 85 (28%). Way more when you look at walk-ons that earn scholarships and so on, probably closer to 35% on average. If ISU starts being successful in football and Iowa's success stays similar or goes down, you can bet that over time that 2/3 will get closer to 1/2, possibly worse. All of a sudden that 28-35% of the roster experiences a pretty major downturn in quality as more high school players would consider ISU an viable alternative.

ISU being good has an impact on Iowa, and it isn't a good one.

Your analysis appears to assume that the pool of recruits is somehow limited to the state of Iowa. The origin of the recruits is FAR down the list of what is important. The quality of the recruits, regardless of where they went to HS, and their subsequent onfield success is way more vital.

IMO, the biggest year after year deficiency at Iowa is the WR corps...I don't care if we get fast, taller perhaps, good hands guys from Alaska, we need some on our roster every year and we rarely have them. How many teams 3rd and 4th string receivers are better than Iowa's front line? Get them wherever they exist.

 

[Dauminator]

You so-called Hawkeye fans who want ISU to win make me sick. A successful ISU HURTS the Hawks. Is that what you want?

Go post on Cyclone Fanatic asking if they want Iowa to beat Minnesota and see how many "yea's" you get.

Disgusting.

You're getting salty in your old age. A lot of bitterness in your posts this week.

Well that is a matter of opinion.

I think it is as well, and I would speculate it reflects your personality/attitude. Easier road vs conquer all comers.

I wonder if we don't know because the two programs have never been T25 quality (at least for a good few year span, I think there's been a couple one-off years where both were decent). Or is that the evidence we need to prove that both programs can't be good at the same time? Hmm . . .

 

[bagdropper]

Considering I believe Iowa's true rivals are in conference and not ISU, I do hope ISU beats TCU.

If we're looking for a program to fail miserably to help us out, that program should be Wisconsin.

 

[hawkcub]

The perfect number of wins for ISU from the Iowa perspective is 5-7 wins. They don't look so bad when Iowa plays them every year. But we would still win most in state recruiting battles versus them unless we ourselves fall off the cliff.

So this week I don't want them to win because that would give them a better shot of surpassing that seven win mark.

 

[LarryMullenJr.]

It wouldn't shock me in the least if ISU wins this game. I've seen TCU play a full game and half of another. They are a solid team, but beatable and ISU does the things well that you need to in order to beat them. The issue will be if the weather negates some those things.
I surely wouldn't call TCU the 4th (is that their ranking?) best team in the nation, but my wife thinks I'm stupid sometimes.