Who you voting for

[alaskanseminole]

The thing is you have four years of data on each candidate and the Trump years has much less crazy in the world and here at home.

Okay, I'll bite. Let's say this is true. WHY is it true? 1 of the 4 years he was president the World was on lockdown, so what was contributing to the lack of world-wide conflict, Ukraine, Israel, etc., during the other 3? Did he happen to just stumble upon a global lull? Was it his specific foreign policies? Do you claim that had Trump won in 2020, that Russia would not have invaded Ukraine and that Hamas would not have attacked Israel?

These are sincere questions that deserve a fact-based answer. I've said before, I put much more emphasis on foreign policy than I do social issues.

 

[Rifler]

Now do the Republican Party were one person is a god. And the rest don’t matter.

I'm a registered Republican,.. I don't believe in any gods.

 

[jneffer]

The thing is you have four years of data on each candidate and the Trump years has much less crazy in the world and here at home.

if your life is crazier now than it was in 2020, i think that's on you...not the president

 

[alaskanseminole]

if your life is crazier now than it was in 2020, i think that's on you...not the president

In retrospect, 2020 was one of my favorite years of the last 4.

I read more, spent more time with family, hit all of the major parks in my area, put together a dozen or more puzzles, played board games, got some home-improvement projects done, took up mountain biking again. In hindsight, what a gift those darn lockdowns were.

Heck, a good chunk of the year, there were no crowds with people bumping into me either.

 

[jneffer]

In retrospect, 2020 was one of my favorite years of the last 4.

I read more, spent more time with family, hit all of the major parks in my area, put together a dozen or more puzzles, played board games, got some home-improvement projects done, took up mountain biking again. In hindsight, what a gift those darn lockdowns were.

Heck, a good chunk of the year, there were no crowds with people bumping into me either.

i don't disagree with this really,... i was fortunate to have a job that could easily be transitioned to work from home, so i didn't struggle where some people did

but to make an argument for the "stability" of the trump years is ridiculous...unless you just want to pretend the worst of it didn't happen

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

I've said this on here before, when it comes to issues of racism, the Democrats tend to treat all Black Americans as a homogenous group claiming they all experience and suffer from racism. Conversely, Republicans like to pretend it doesn't exist at all. I have black friends who are all in on BLM, for example, while others despise it. Regardless of race, we're individuals with personal experiences. Identity politics, like you say, tries to put us all on one team thinking the exact same way on all things.

For example, the Hodge Twins. They see things their way, but in no way are they the spokes persons for Black Americans (although many conservatives would like to claim they are).

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Bottom line is, people like to paint with broad brushes, just like with all the anti-police stuff. There are 60million police/civilian interactions each year, the majority of which are positive or occur without incident.

Not the first time I've brought this point up either.

Warning - graphic Police camera from yesterday

Imagine if the shitheads in Uvalde would have engaged like these officers did. Maybe, less than 19 children and 2 adults would have died.

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So, people like Chishawk and Scruddy.

Totally get it.

 

[tumorboy]

I'm a registered Republican,.. I don't believe in any gods.

Not according to the Republican Party platform. We support Trump no matter what. Aka he’s our god.

 

[thewop]

I'm starting to think you're a troll

Other than COVID, he's right. It really depends on how you want to view COVID.

Either you believe COVID happened under trump, or you believe it would have happened under anyone. The narrative around COVID played a big role in getting Biden elected, because everything else economically looked pretty good under Trump.

It also depends how you view the aftermath... Did it take such a toll on the economy/inflation/housing because of how Biden handled it or just because it was inevitable?

The "stress" under trump was not economic. It was largely BLM, Antifa, political division, and otherwise just a reaction to trump being in office. The tangibles were pretty good outside COVID.

 

[Rifler]

Not according to the Republican Party platform. We support Trump no matter what. Aka he’s our god.

Phuck the party platform,.. Republican voters aren't the robots that Dems are...

 

[alaskanseminole]

i don't disagree with this really,... i was fortunate to have a job that could easily be transitioned to work from home, so i didn't struggle where some people did

but to make an argument for the "stability" of the trump years is ridiculous...unless you just want to pretend the worst of it didn't happen

See my post #41

 

[tumorboy]

Phuck the party platform,.. Republican voters aren't the robots that Dems are...

That’s not what the primaries said .

 

[markfromj]

I dont see anyone gasping in stunned silence. Lol

This.

 

[jneffer]

Phuck the party platform,.. Republican voters aren't the robots that Dems are...

a party platform is broad policy document that theoretically tells people what they are voting for when they vote for that party - that's supposed to be a good thing that voters care about

the GOP doesn't even bother developing a platform now...because you aren't voting for policies, you're voting for donald trump - that's it. the policies are whatever he says or supports on a given day

 

[alaskanseminole]

Phuck the party platform,.. Republican voters aren't the robots that Dems are...

I hate to break it to you, the majority of both parties have their share of "robots" and more often than not it's due to a lack of education. ...and in that realm, it's Republicans who are the lesser educated.

As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not).

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018.

3. Demographic profiles of Republican and Democratic voters

American Trends Panel: Pew Research Center’s online probability survey panel, which consists of more than 12,000 adults who take two to three surveys each

www.pewresearch.org

I'm of the opinion that Democrats tend to get manipulated via emotions while Republicans tend to get manipulated by fear.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Her husband’s MAGA and she just gave up fighting. Probably vote for Biden in the booth.

 

[jneffer]

I hate to break it to you, the majority of both parties have their share of "robots" and more often than not it's due to a lack of education. ...and in that realm, it's Republicans who are the lesser educated.

As was the case in the 2018 midterms, voters with and without college degrees each accounted for roughly half of the Democratic Party’s voters in 2022 (51% held college degrees while 49% did not).

By contrast, a majority of Republican voters in 2022 had no college degree (63%); a smaller share had a college degree or more (37%). This is similar to the shares of Republican voters with and without a college degree in 2018.

3. Demographic profiles of Republican and Democratic voters

American Trends Panel: Pew Research Center’s online probability survey panel, which consists of more than 12,000 adults who take two to three surveys each

www.pewresearch.org

I'm of the opinion that Democrats tend to get manipulated via emotions while Republicans tend to get manipulated by fear.

devotion to a specific party has WAY more to do with how our political system is structured than a lack of education

 

[Bearhawk0505]

I would love to ask her what she thinks Trump will do to help her…..lol. I can’t believe how many people fall for the myth Trump will help them financially.

 

[Finance85]

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According to Biden, she's no longer black.

 

[blhawk]

At some point, liberals need to realize they are alienating more and more voters by pandering to identity politics. Anymore, straight men of any color are being ignored in favor of LGBTQ issues and a woman’s uterus.

I'm a straight man who has sisters, a significant other, cousins, and nieces that I care about immensely. Their ability to make choices about their reproductive health has a huge impact on me.

This hit home a year ago when my sister had serious health complications from a miscarriage and lets just say I am extremely thankful she doesn't live in a red state or it could have been a very bad outcome.

But besides that I don't feel ignored at all and feel the dems do a MUCH better job addressing the things I care about than the party of Trump so speak for yourself. The R's thrive on identity politics too

 

[alaskanseminole]

devotion to a specific party has WAY more to do with how our political system is structured than a lack of education

In decades past, I'd agree. However, in the last decade fear and emotion has locked us in firmly ensuring there (seemingly) can never be a change.

We're like the Sith, dealing in absolutes.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

I'm a straight man who has sisters, a significant other, cousins, and nieces that I care about immensely. Their ability to make choices about their reproductive health has a huge impact on me.

This hit home a year ago when my sister had serious health complications from a miscarriage and lets just say I am extremely thankful she doesn't live in a red state or it could have been a very bad outcome.

But besides that I don't feel ignored at all and feel the dems do a MUCH better job addressing the things I care about than the party of Trump so speak for yourself. The R's thrive on identity politics too

Hey, I understand what you’re saying. I’m a pro-choice, moderate Republican who absolutely hates that Trump and the religious right have taken over the party.

 

[ButtersHawk]

All these 2 party conversations are just stupid anymore. Nobody is ever going to get along. This country needs a viable 3rd party option but it'll never happen. This is why in my opinion I think the college kids are right. We should just simplify our government and make it a One-Party Marxist state. That way every four years the fighting can stop and the decision is made for us!!! Everybody wins!!

 

[Franisdaman]

Turns out black men aren’t really down with fat green haired white transgender women screaming at them who to vote for. Probably throw Latino men in that group as well.

And talk to a Muslim sometime. Just listen to what they have to say. What you will hear:

* They'd rather have a president who bans them from this country than a President who is fine with bombing and killing them by the tens of thousands

* They don't agree with Democrats on cultural issues such as abortion. And when it comes to homosexually and transgender, all you have to do is look at their facial expressions to see their disgust.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Did you get a lobotomy in 2020 or is memory loss a side effect of ivermectin?

He's a troll

 

[fsu1jreed]

And talk to a Muslim sometime. Just listen to what they have to say. What you will here:

* They'd rather have a president who bans them from this country than a President who is fine with bombing and killing them by the tens of thousands

* They don't agree with Democrats on cultural issues such as abortion. And when it comes to homosexually and transgender, all you have to do is look at their facial expressions to see their disgust.

You mean like Trump that made oversight harder for the drone war?

 

[Fijimn]

And talk to a Muslim sometime. Just listen to what they have to say. What you will here:

* They'd rather have a president who bans them from this country than a President who is fine with bombing and killing them by the tens of thousands

* They don't agree with Democrats on cultural issues such as abortion. And when it comes to homosexually and transgender, all you have to do is look at their facial expressions to see their disgust.

You'll need to show your work on this assertion. The Ayubi permits abortion up to 120 days (when the fetus receives its soul) and polls show that around 55% of Muslim-Americans agree with a woman's right to choose in all cases.

 

[BioHawk]

I'm a straight man who has sisters, a significant other, cousins, and nieces that I care about immensely. Their ability to make choices about their reproductive health has a huge impact on me.

This hit home a year ago when my sister had serious health complications from a miscarriage and lets just say I am extremely thankful she doesn't live in a red state or it could have been a very bad outcome.

But besides that I don't feel ignored at all and feel the dems do a MUCH better job addressing the things I care about than the party of Trump so speak for yourself. The R's thrive on identity politics too

Heh, after immigration all they have is identity politics. Every time they say the quiet parts out loud they get shelled for it (like getting rid of medicare and social security).

 

[CAhawki]

Team 3rd Party!!!

 

[BioHawk]

And talk to a Muslim sometime. Just listen to what they have to say. What you will here:

* They'd rather have a president who bans them from this country than a President who is fine with bombing and killing them by the tens of thousands

* They don't agree with Democrats on cultural issues such as abortion. And when it comes to homosexually and transgender, all you have to do is look at their facial expressions to see their disgust.

The Muslims you are talking to sound very confused. Biden is not bombing Muslims in this country by the tens of thousands. He's not even bombing Muslims by the tens of thousands outside of this country. It's really weird how these people seem to think that Biden sets policy for what Israel is doing.

Second, I think their opinions about being banned from this country will change pretty quickly once they are rounded up, separated from their children, thrown into concentration camps, and then all the records of what has been done are thrown away so there is a good possibility they never see their kids again. Don't believe me? That's what happened when Trump put migrants into camps last time.

Hundreds of migrant children remain separated from families despite push to reunite them

It’s been two years since the Biden administration took on the task of reunifying children with their families after they were separated at the southern border under the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy. While the Biden administration has succeeded in uniting some 600 children with...

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[Fijimn]

Team 3rd Party!!!

It can be argued that traditional Republicanism is now the "third-party" - with Trumpian populist nationalism being the opposing party to Democrats.

 

[CAhawki]

It can be argued that traditional Republicanism is now the "third-party" - with Trumpian populist nationalism being the opposing party to Democrats.

 

[Franisdaman]

The Muslims you are talking to sound very confused. Biden is not bombing Muslims in this country by the tens of thousands. He's not even bombing Muslims by the tens of thousands outside of this country. It's really weird how these people seem to think that Biden sets policy for what Israel is doing.

Second, I think their opinions about being banned from this country will change pretty quickly once they are rounded up, separated from their children, thrown into concentration camps, and then all the records of what has been done are thrown away so there is a good possibility they never see their kids again. Don't believe me? That's what happened when Trump put migrants into camps last time.

Hundreds of migrant children remain separated from families despite push to reunite them

It’s been two years since the Biden administration took on the task of reunifying children with their families after they were separated at the southern border under the Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy. While the Biden administration has succeeded in uniting some 600 children with...

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Biden is supplying the bombs to Israel

they also think Biden could have stopped what they see as genocide

 

[BioHawk]

Biden is supplying the bombs to Israel

they also think Biden could have stopped what they see as genocide

As I said, they are confused. We have treaty obligations to fulfill and responding to invasion is certainly one of the triggers for that. Biden didn't decide to put military headquarters underneath hospitals. I'm not saying that Israel couldn't have done a lot more to minimize civilian casualties, but to hold Biden responsible for that is stupid and counterproductive. How about holding Hamas responsible for one of the dumbest attacks ever, one that very conveniently was able to drive a wedge in the Democratic base in the United States. To think that Israel didn't have a right to respond is ridiculous. But again, Biden isn't in control of any of that. That's all Netanyahu. Someone who has a vested interested in dragging this out as long as possible.

 

[Franisdaman]

As I said, they are confused. We have treaty obligations to fulfill and responding to invasion is certainly one of the triggers for that. Biden didn't decide to put military headquarters underneath hospitals. I'm not saying that Israel couldn't have done a lot more to minimize civilian casualties, but to hold Biden responsible for that is stupid and counterproductive. How about holding Hamas responsible for one of the dumbest attacks ever, one that very conveniently was able to drive a wedge in the Democratic base in the United States. To think that Israel didn't have a right to respond is ridiculous. But again, Biden isn't in control of any of that. That's all Netanyahu. Someone who has a vested interested in dragging this out as long as possible.

you don't wanna know how they rationalize Hamas.....

one guy asked me if I agreed with him in that it was genocide. I sidestepped the question and said what both sides have done are horrible, that war is horrible....