Who's the Big Ten Coach of the Year?
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Collins has done a miraculous turn- around at NW this year. He lost three players to the portal and improved the defense tremendously.
Agreed. They were picked to finish 13th, so Collins is an easy choice.
Even with a loss this weekend Collins still deserves it.
At least more than Painter imo.
At least more than Painter imo.
Northwestern has lost 3 games in a row and will lose at Rutgers on Sunday to limp into the BTT with a 4 game losing streak. They will be the 9th seed.
Fran who lost a lottery pick, All time assist and 3 pt shooter in JBo, and backup pg JT to transfer portal. Iowa was picked 9th and will be the 2 seed with a 3 game winning streak going into the BTT.
Fran should be coach of the year, but they’ll give it to Collins.
Fran who lost a lottery pick, All time assist and 3 pt shooter in JBo, and backup pg JT to transfer portal. Iowa was picked 9th and will be the 2 seed with a 3 game winning streak going into the BTT.
Fran should be coach of the year, but they’ll give it to Collins.
I know it was an out of conference loss, but you CANNOT get your ass kicked AT HOME to EIU and expect any post season accolades UNLESS you actually win the B1G title outright in order to wash away the black eye that gave the conference. It's why Iowa won't sniff T25 rankings this year regardless of how they finish. And let's not pretend his antics with the refs won't also play a role in voting...there were many who took exception to that stare down moment.
That's silly. That was a single game. Teams have a bad game. That game is a reflection of nothing other than that.
Purdue starts a backcourt with 2 true freshmen — a 4-star who was #133 in his class and an unranked 3-star — and dominated the B1G wire-to-wire. And yeah, Edeyzilla is 6+ inches taller than most of the guys guarding him, but he didn't exactly show up to WL that good at basketball.
I know these awards never go to coaches of dominant teams, no illusions about whether he'll even be a serious candidate for the award, but he'd be #1 on my ballot, in Sharpie.
I know these awards never go to coaches of dominant teams, no illusions about whether he'll even be a serious candidate for the award, but he'd be #1 on my ballot, in Sharpie.
No doubt Painter is a fine coach and deserves consideration, but Collins has done more with less this particular season.
Collins turning around his own mess is more impressive than WIllard coming in and immediatley fixing Maryland's mess? They had the same record last year
A week ago I would have said Collins in a landslide ... but the season is not over. If Hawks get a 2 seed and get to the B1G Championship game there is a very strong case for Fran as long as Kelly Pfeifer does not get a vote.
A) Painter will win it all---the conference title, something Iowa hasn't done in 40+ years, so that
to me is a big deal. Painter also lost a lottery pick from his team, starts a Freshman at PG, and pounded
FRan's team head to head.
B) NW was garbage last year and they currently have same B1G record as Fran does, so I think NW coach
is in better position than Fran even if your prediction of another loss to Rutger's happens.
C) You say Iowa was picked 9th. That implies that there would only be 5 teams worse than Iowa. When I look at the standings, I only see 5 teams in B1G with worse B1G conference records. Does that really point to wildly exceeding expectations?
Fran has done solid job with 8 losses in B1G conference plays. 9 out of 14 of the B1G coaches have 8 or fewer losses so Fran seems closer to being in a group of middle of the pack coaches than exceptional.
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Let's see how your logic is followed by all the non-biased voters that vote on B1G coach of the year.
Last four coaches who have won were on a first place team fwiw
Can't disagree with that — NW is a tremendous success story. Collins would be 2nd on my ballot and McCaffery would be a distant 3rd, and that's taking nothing away from the job Fran did keeping this team/season together.
Also, obviously you don't want a scenario where, like, Tom Izzo wins it for a decade straight, even though he was probably the best coach in the B1G for a decade straight. It just seems to me that Painter was out of the conversation from the jump because of how dominant Purdue was, and that wasn't a sure thing at all — they weren't even ranked in the preseason.
JFC, you serious Clark?
I think it’s definitely Collins, but Painter and Fran are in the discussion. Absolutely crazy that Fran has never won.
Purdue had to replace much more production than northwestern and iowa. Replacing three starting guards is definitely tough and overall Painter had to replace 67.9% of scoring, 50.4% of rebounding and 78.1% of assists from last year's team. Doing that while winning the conference using two true freshman starting guards is definitely doing more with less.
Fran has done more with less. Purdue is a dominant team but Iowa was within 10 points for a good portion of the 2nd half. Didn't feel like a pounding to me.
Not sure what your definition of doing more with less could be. For comparison to the numbers above for Purdue, Iowa only had to replace 48.6% of scoring, 32.4% of rebounding and 43% of assists from last season. Northwestern had to replace 44.2%, 44.1% and 42.9% respectively. To undergo the changes that Purdue has yet still win the Big Ten is darn impressive. They were picked to finish anywhere between 5th and 8th coming into the season.
They also had the preseason POY. Let’s not be obtuse.
Yes but with the best player in the country and another soon to be pro player Purdue is stacked in the bigs area. Also got an incredible freshman who has played beyond his years from the start. I will say Painter isn't a bad pick, he's done a good job. I hope they make the final 4 and Iowa gets revenge to go to the championship. They should vote on this using strictly big games or wait till the tournament is over.
Jackson-Davis was the preseason POY according to most sources with Dickinson the most common other choice. Edey was a preseason all conference first team pick as was Murray. Nothing obtuse about that.
I'm not sure you aren't correct. Anyone who thought Iowa was going to be higher than 6-7 this year is lying. Depending how things go this weekend they may still be, but they might also be as high as second place.
I stand corrected, but he was a unanimous preseason 1st team pick and 2nd team all American. Stop portraying your talent as the Sisters of the Poor rec league.
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One thing that I seem to disagree with the consensus on here, is that I don't necessarily think doing "more with less" should automatically make you the coach of the year. A big part of coaching at the college level is roster management/recruiting. We shouldn't handicap a coach just because they did their job exceptionally well in the off-season by either recruiting high school/ portal players. Painter recruiting both Loyer and Smith and also having faith that they would be able to play immediately even though the recruiting rankings all would scoff at that this offseason is impressive to me. Collins probably will end up winning it (and rightfully so), but Painter did a heck of a job this year.
Never claimed Purdue had zero talent returning, but the fact remains that Iowa(and Northwestern) returned far more scoring, rebounding and assists than Purdue yet Purdue and Painter have won the conference and done so with two true freshman starting guards.I stand corrected, but he was a unanimous preseason 1st team pick and 2nd team all American. Stop portraying your talent as the Sisters of the Poor rec league.
Zach Edey Named Preseason-All American
Purdue starting center Zach Edey was recently named as a second-team preseason All-American this week. First of dozens. pic.twitter.com/gkTOoPJph1— Purdue Mens Basketball (@BoilerBall) September...
With all due respect, that's not an accurate statement. There have been 53 B10 COY awards given out since its start in the 1973-74 season. First place finishers won COY 36 times (68%), 2nd place finishers won 8 times (15%), 3rd place won 4 times (6%). That's nearly 90% of the COY finishing top 3 in the league standings at year end.
Interestingly 4th place finishers won 4 times as well (2 were co-winners) and none of them received the award prior to 2008-2009 season. Only one 5th place finisher has won the award (Bill Carmody-NW) in 2003-2004. That's all of them. I will admit that the tendency to award it to a coach whose team finished worse than 2nd place is a more recent trend and as a result has been occurring more frequently in the last 15-20 years or so.
Gene Keady leads the conference in that award having received it a total of 7 times. Both Lute & Dr. Tom won the award once during their time at Iowa. Matt Painter has won the most COY awards of the current B10 coaches at 4 times, while Izzo has been stuck on 3 since the 2011-2012 season.
Gotta say, if Purdue's one game against Iowa was instead at Carver, I like the Hawks chances. Let's say Iowa does win, Iowa would currently be at 12-7 and Purdue 12-6 with a few games left, and things get very interesting. Fran's gotta be at least top 3 this year. I'd go with Collins, Fran, then Painter.
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In my opinion it's Collins and it's not even close.
What was their preseason ranking prediction? Thought you might know. The coaches that deserve consideration is Fran, Collins, Painter, and Terps coach. That's the order i would vote but i can't say being a Hawkeye fan doesn't have anything to do with it. If Iowa ends up second, 1 game or 2 games behind Purdue Fran should win it.
Mark me down for "I accidently clicked Willard when I was meaning to click Collins." I am glad I could give Willard his 4th vote but it was for Collins.
On that list I think I go:
Collins
Willard
Painter
Fran
Woodson
Howard
On that list I think I go:
Collins
Willard
Painter
Fran
Woodson
Howard
Fine list except for Howard. I have him as the worst coach in the big. His misuse of Dickinson this year is an atrocity. The offense should run through him but Howard has his son running 1 on 1 sets limiting the number of touches Dickinson gets. Howard just now ran that offense and his kid got blocked and Illinois toik the lead with a dunk while Howard just jogged down the court. If you can't tell i hate Howard.
It was Collins vs Willard. Now it's back to Painter. McCaffery is viewed as running a gimmick offense with little defense. Unless he were to run away with the league title, he will never win it.
Just a quick search but what I found among more common names:
Sports Illustrated Purdue 6, Iowa 4
Espn "experts" consensus Purdue 5. Iowa 7
(Highest among them Purdue 3. Iowa 2)
Big Ten media poll. Purdue 5. Iowa 7
(Both received 1 first place vote)
KenPom(NBC sports) Purdue 3. Iowa 2
CBS Sports. Purdue. 4. Iowa 7
Saturday Tradition. Purdue 8. Iowa 5
Sports Illustrated Purdue 6, Iowa 4
Espn "experts" consensus Purdue 5. Iowa 7
(Highest among them Purdue 3. Iowa 2)
Big Ten media poll. Purdue 5. Iowa 7
(Both received 1 first place vote)
KenPom(NBC sports) Purdue 3. Iowa 2
CBS Sports. Purdue. 4. Iowa 7
Saturday Tradition. Purdue 8. Iowa 5
Northwestern used to be an automatic W on the schedule. Now they are truly scary!
To me it's doing more with less. Purdue is the most talented team in the Big Ten in my opinion. Northwestern lost 2 potential NBA players and is still fighting for a top spot in the Big Ten. That's super impressive to me. That's why I'd pick Collins.
