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You seem to be veering away from the OP. Of course "radical Islam" is to blame for radical Islamists. I support peaceful Muslims. I do not support the bigoted tenants of their faith.
Why do "liberals" support Islam, when it so "Vehemently"...
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You seem to be veering away from the OP. Of course "radical Islam" is to blame for radical Islamists. I support peaceful Muslims. I do not support the bigoted tenants of their faith.
That's what it is to be a lib. We are always helping our opposition or there would be no fight. We have an NFL model.
except they have a radical leftist in the whitehouse, and they team up with leftist commie jews to make a new world order, the new zion. except that.
You're right. Radical Islam is to blame for radical Islamists. Except that we can't even say the term "radical Islam". You can say "Christian radical" or "anti-abortion radical". But, damn it, you will not use the term "radical Islam" or "Islamic militant". That's pointless and offensive.
You can blame ideology only when the ideology involved is conservative Christianity.
This can't even make sense to you. How would you think a Muslim would want a new zion? Are you thinking of this in terms of the Matrix?
He took too many red pills and now he is just tripping balls.
But, he is part of the colorful HROT fabric that keeps me coming back.
look at what is happening around you. there is a faction of leftist jews, ny city types. they voted in Hillary. in ny. and Debbie whatishersface Shultz. and ny people like elena kagan, a commie leftist, labor type.
then you have liberal leftist muslim and pro-muslim Obama. new world order. then you have all of these people teaming up to make a new world, a new type of zion, one world. they own the temple mount.
Obama goes and signs a treaty where iran is to nuke Israel and America, Debbie and all the jews and muslims unite together and jump for joy.
look around.
san Bernardino and france happens, the liberal world united to defend the new zion
Because they're not even close to a majority of US voters, therefore an easy group for them to try an bring into the fold ongoing pandering
Some Muslims are terrorists and interpret the religion to fit their agenda just like some Christians, (Westboro Baptists for example,) interpret their bible to fit their agenda.
Both are terrible groups of people but that doesn't mean all Muslims are bad or that all Christians are bad. How people can't grasp this concept is ridiculous. The real issue is that they don't WANT to. Conservatives want to stereotype and be prejudice all while trying to tell everyone it is for a good reason and not just straight up bigotry.
Both are terrible groups of people but that doesn't mean all Muslims are bad or that all Christians are bad. How people can't grasp this concept is ridiculous. The real issue is that they don't WANT to. Conservatives want to stereotype and be prejudice all while trying to tell everyone it is for a good reason and not just straight up bigotry.
it's because people must understand the muslims did not do 9-11. as soon as we get to this place, we can move on.
Would you be able to share any accounts where Baptists, evangelicals, etc, have beheaded or stoned, etc, a homosexual? Do you realize that there is a pretty big difference in not supporting something v. persecuting folks for it?
Obama's idea of support means paying off the muslims and calling them "rebels", then signing a treaty with iran which tells them to hurry up and nuke us.
I don't think even 1% of them support ISIS considering that ISIS essentially claims that if you don't either come join them or blow someone up in their name then you are their enemy. I suppose they make exceptions for people who are too old to be doing that sort of thing, but you don't have to be really young or fit to blow people up either
2009 - Abortion Doctor George Tiller murdered by Christian anti-abortionist Scott Roeder
2008, Christian Jim David Adkisson walked into the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee during a children’s play and began shooting people at random. Two were killed, while seven others were injured but survived. Adkisson said he was motivated by a hatred of liberals, Democrats and gays.
1997 - Eric Rudolph bombs the Otherwise Lounge (a lesbian bar in Atlanta).
1996 - Eric Rudolph bombs 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta
Should I continue or do you get the point? There are nutjob Muslims and there are nutjob Christians. The majority of both religions are good people and none of them deserve to be discriminated against based upon religion. You know, because the god damn constitution says so. But fear mongering Christians want to $hit all over the constitution because they hate Muslims.
Radical Islamist are not always jihadist. Jihadist may be our most immediate threat but Islamist, those who tend to turn democracy against itself, are the real long term threat to western ideals...and there is a scare percentage of these folks.
Liberals also strongly identify with the self loathing, sense of entitlement, and victimhood status that so many of the aherents of the religion of permanent offense seem to have.
when viewed in this light it makes sense liberals welcome this self hating, self pity and totalitarian ideology with open arms.
This is what the dictionary labels a lie.
No wonder you are so angry, you believe this shit.
Because what you said in it was factually incorrect, and you know it to be such, hence a lie.
That somehow the PP shooting was blamed on all these groups, yet refuse to acknowledge the religiousness of those in Sam Bernadino.
That is bullshit. More of the "Christians are the victims" mantra that keeps getting louder.
You know, like how one guy is a "lunatic" (the guy you want to distance yourself from) but the others are "radicalized" by religion.
You are flipping the very narrative you are trying to push, entirely hypocritically.
You are flipping the very narrative you are trying to push, entirely hypocritically.
Here's why my point is correct and your point is not - you're trying to have it both ways and I'm saying be consistent.
This isn't a "Christians are the victims" issue. It's an issue of you sticking to a policy and not flip-flopping to suit your political agenda. If you're going to use the term "Christian terrorist" then don't be afraid to say "Islamic terrorist" when the shoe fits.
You want to call Robert Lewis Dear a radical Christian? Go for it. I don't give a shit. Just make sure you're honest about Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik's motivations. Don't blame the Planned Parenthood shooting on conservative rhetoric and then pretend radical Islamic fervor isn't the root cause when a group of jihadists kill and injure hundreds of people in Paris or dozens of people in San Bernardino.
Be consistent. That's all I ask.
no, he was immediately labeled a Christian right winger gun nut, when it came out later he was a dem then everyone shut up. san Bernardino -they hid the names and religions of those people for at least 12-24 hrs and still you are labeled a racist if you bring it up in any form.
Most people, of all religions, want a standard of morality that everyone can abide by, like not killing each other. They want something to believe in that can address their fears, like heaven after death or the ability to cure your child's cancer through prayer. They want community built around shared principles, like going to an entirely unfamiliar city yet still being able to attend a familiar church.
The vast majority want this, and I think it is exemplified in America where we largely neuter religions so that we all get along.
Islam is scary because the followers seem so much more devout than us, willing to do things we no longer believe we would. The "radicals" of any religion scare us, we usually just hope they don't grow large enough, or strong enough that we can no longer ridicule or just ignore them.
We are fine ridiculing the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons while outside of Utah, the Westboro Baprists, etc. because we "know" they aren't going to attack us. Subsets of Islam have shown what they are capable of, and it frightens us, frightens us on to condemning all of them.
But it ignores the 4 Million (?) in the US who have not acted, who aren't going to. I think this is largely because we "see" them, and due to their devout beliefs (praying, hijab, etc.) we believe they all are potential radicals ... Even though we don't think the same about other religions, because we don't "see" them, they are just regular folks.
One doesn't need to "support" Islam in order to realize that it isn't the threat our rhetoric claims it to be, in order to believe that within our beloved nation we need to protect all religions ... while still hoping their, and everyone else's, devout beliefs are neutered in hopes of us all getting alone.
Hell, every poster on here (except maybe 3) would hate, be frightened of a world where devout "Christians" from 150 years ago ran this country.
I don't support Islam any more than I support most other religions, I support their ability to practice it without our interference. Would I prefer they were American Christians who commit nearly every one of the deadly sins, ignore their own biblical teachings, mostly in the name of laziness? Sure, we'd all get along a lot better.
The vast majority want this, and I think it is exemplified in America where we largely neuter religions so that we all get along.
Islam is scary because the followers seem so much more devout than us, willing to do things we no longer believe we would. The "radicals" of any religion scare us, we usually just hope they don't grow large enough, or strong enough that we can no longer ridicule or just ignore them.
We are fine ridiculing the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons while outside of Utah, the Westboro Baprists, etc. because we "know" they aren't going to attack us. Subsets of Islam have shown what they are capable of, and it frightens us, frightens us on to condemning all of them.
But it ignores the 4 Million (?) in the US who have not acted, who aren't going to. I think this is largely because we "see" them, and due to their devout beliefs (praying, hijab, etc.) we believe they all are potential radicals ... Even though we don't think the same about other religions, because we don't "see" them, they are just regular folks.
One doesn't need to "support" Islam in order to realize that it isn't the threat our rhetoric claims it to be, in order to believe that within our beloved nation we need to protect all religions ... while still hoping their, and everyone else's, devout beliefs are neutered in hopes of us all getting alone.
Hell, every poster on here (except maybe 3) would hate, be frightened of a world where devout "Christians" from 150 years ago ran this country.
I don't support Islam any more than I support most other religions, I support their ability to practice it without our interference. Would I prefer they were American Christians who commit nearly every one of the deadly sins, ignore their own biblical teachings, mostly in the name of laziness? Sure, we'd all get along a lot better.
And they were immediately labeled Mideast Islamic terrorists, anything else is a revisionist lie.
Link to the entire media crying to call him a "Christian Terrorist"? I'm sure the GOP field did too, right? Otherwise they aren't following your "be consistent" mantra.
That is the lie: that somehow it is one-sided.
that's all that happened swiftly and immediately, whenever there is a shooting the liberals just stumble all over themselves trying to make him white and Christian and gop, they were trying hard to do it in san Bernardino as well till the photos came out of the muslims
no way, I watched that thing intensely for 12 straight hours, listened to the radio, saw it on tv, all they did was hide it for 12 straight hours
I called them terrorists because the wife was not American, performing acts of terrorism on American soil.
The Christian you are referring to is a garden variety wacko, murdering criminal.
I guess the san Bernardino victims are telling lies as well- that Obama did not come out there till it was convenient and he was on his way to Hawaii, they are telling lies that he put them on the backburner?
