Why Florida’s cases are going up but deaths are dropping

[hawkland14]

Florida has seen a massive spike of cases in the last 30 days. Knowing that death is a lagging indicator we should start to see a rise in deaths over the last 14 days in the state. What is really happening is that deaths are dropping over the last two weeks when they should be spiking. It’s simple and it’s something people that have been against lockdowns have been saying for awhile. Isolate the elderly and vulnerable and let the rest of society operate with mitigation tactics(SD in public, no large gatherings, etc...) in place that won’t plummet the economy. Florida is our best example of what happens when that strategy is put in place.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Florida has seen a massive spike of cases in the last 30 days. Knowing that death is a lagging indicator we should start to see a rise in deaths over the last 14 days in the state. What is really happening is that deaths are dropping over the last two weeks when they should be spiking. It’s simple and it’s something people that have been against lockdowns have been saying for awhile. Isolate the elderly and vulnerable and let the rest of society operate with mitigation tactics(SD in public, no large gatherings, etc...) in place that won’t plummet the economy. Florida is our best example of what happens when that strategy is put in place.

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That...and the fact that they fired the woman accurately recording the deaths and now Florida seems to have a massive outbreak of “pneumonia” deaths rather than coronavirus deaths. But sure...your thing.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

That...and the fact that they fired the woman accurately recording the deaths and now Florida seems to have a massive outbreak of “pneumonia” deaths rather than coronavirus deaths. But sure...your thing.

Where are you seeing the massive outbreak in pneumonia cases?

 

[Jedhawk77]

Where are you seeing the massive outbreak in pneumonia cases?

Probably here.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...navirus-and-pneumonia-deaths-read-this-first/

 

[hawkland14]

Probably here.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...navirus-and-pneumonia-deaths-read-this-first/

That has already been disproven.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/

 

[Jedhawk77]

That has already been disproven.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...florida-undercounting-covid-19-deaths-uses-f/

Sorry, that was a joke. My article is a clear contradiction of his claim. There are no credible sources that make FSUtribe76's claim correct.

 

[Greenway4Prez]

Sorry, that was a joke. My article is a clear contradiction of his claim. There are no credible sources that make FSUtribe76's claim correct.

Funny that he liked that post.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

That’s funny. So is the fact he claims the fired dashboard lady was counting deaths. She had nothing to do with counting. She was taking numbers and putting them into fancy graphs so FL residents could read ‘em gooder

 

[luvmyhawks]

Funny that he liked that post.

See how long before he unlikes it. Tribe76 has been proven to be full of shit numerous times on this board. I have no clue why anyone believes his Nonsense.

 

[Jedhawk77]

See how long before he unlikes it. Tribe76 has been proven to be full of shit numerous times on this board. I have no clue why anyone believes his Nonsense.

I would imagine that he was part of the reason the FSU board blew up and now we are stuck with some of their nonsense.

Appreciative to have Tradition's PBC posts.

 

[DFSNOLE]

The Republican Secretary of Agriculture disagrees. But I'm sure you know more from 1500 miles away.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Death and hospital visits are going down. As long as that trend continues I’m ok with the cases going up.

Is Nikki running for re-election right now?

 

[The Tradition]

"Cases" is a meaningless statistic.

Nikki needs to stay in her lane.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Death and hospital visits are going down. As long as that trend continues I’m ok with the cases going up.

Is Nikki running for re-election right now?

Nikki is paying attention to the criteria set by the Florida DOH and DeSantis' own reopening committee that he is ignoring.

 

[Chishawk1425]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lose-coronavirus-spike-outbreak-a9568631.html

 

[seminole97]

See how long before he unlikes it. Tribe76 has been proven to be full of shit numerous times on this board. I have no clue why anyone believes his Nonsense.

He likes conspiracies.

That...and the fact that they fired the woman accurately recording the deaths

I’m big on accuracy. Can you point me to anything to suggest she was reporting deaths differently at any time?

I’m still curious about the toddler death you said they are hiding. Did that kid at least get an obit?
If you can give me a time frame that the kid died I can try to see they truly went into a black hole or were otherwise categorized.

 

[ANYCHawk]

"Cases" is a meaningless statistic.

Nikki needs to stay in her lane.

Cases mean nothing!

The new right wing rallying cry

 

[Rudolph]

Florida has seen a massive spike of cases in the last 30 days. Knowing that death is a lagging indicator we should start to see a rise in deaths over the last 14 days in the state. What is really happening is that deaths are dropping over the last two weeks when they should be spiking. It’s simple and it’s something people that have been against lockdowns have been saying for awhile. Isolate the elderly and vulnerable and let the rest of society operate with mitigation tactics(SD in public, no large gatherings, etc...) in place that won’t plummet the economy. Florida is our best example of what happens when that strategy is put in place.

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As a designer, the immediate thing I notice is the top and bottom lines are the exact inverse of one another. Without knowing anything about this graph, I'm guessing it is thus bullshit.

 

[The Tradition]

As a designer, the immediate thing I notice is the top and bottom lines are the exact inverse of one another. Without knowing anything about this graph, I'm guessing it is thus bullshit.

You're a designer?

That's FABULOUS!

 

[Rudolph]

You're a designer?

That's FABULOUS!

Yeah, branding, strategy, graphic design, typography, public art. Good chance you've had my work in your home, or at least had it on the screen of one of your devices, at some point over the last 20 years or so.

 

[DogBoyRy]

The Republican Secretary of Agriculture disagrees. But I'm sure you know more from 1500 miles away.

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Try again dipshit.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Nikki is paying attention to the criteria set by the Florida DOH and DeSantis' own reopening committee that he is ignoring.

She’s also a Dem. Of course she’s going to come out against him. So far he’s proven his critics wrong about the response (unemployment isn’t part of the response) and has made some of them look foolish.

 

[WorldSeriesChamps2015]

Funny that he liked that post.

I am posting because I want a like from you and of you don’t, I will bang your gf!

 

[DFSNOLE]

She’s also a Dem. Of course she’s going to come out against him. So far he’s proven his critics wrong about the response (unemployment isn’t part of the response) and has made some of them look foolish.

67 out of 68 counties don't meet the criteria set by the DOH and the reopening committee. Why is that so easy to ignore for y'all?

Decrease in ER Visits for COVID-like illness:
Decrease in ER Visits for influenza-like illness:
Decrease in new cases by date:

 

[The Tradition]

67 out of 68 counties don't meet the criteria set by the DOH and the reopening committee. Why is that so easy to ignore for y'all?

Decrease in ER Visits for COVID-like illness:
Decrease in ER Visits for influenza-like illness:
Decrease in new cases by date:

Don't care. Protect the elderly and everybody else should BAU.

 

[mcgrawfsu]

67 out of 68 counties don't meet the criteria set by the DOH and the reopening committee. Why is that so easy to ignore for y'all?

Decrease in ER Visits for COVID-like illness:
Decrease in ER Visits for influenza-like illness:
Decrease in new cases by date:

And the death rates continue to decrease. I’m ok with it for now

 

[artradley]

As a designer, the immediate thing I notice is the top and bottom lines are the exact inverse of one another. Without knowing anything about this graph, I'm guessing it is thus bullshit.

That caught my attention, and it could be BS, but the chart shows percentage of cases that are people over 50 vs under 50; so each two plots will always add up to 100%; so the two lines will necessarily be an exact inverse of each other.

 

[DFSNOLE]

And the death rates continue to decrease. I’m ok with it for now

Then why set criteria for moving forward with the reopening if they are just going to be ignored?
No one is advocating to shut down again. Just stop the openings where we are now until your own markers are achieved. It's really pretty simple.

 

[The Tradition]

Then why set criteria for moving forward with the reopening if they are just going to be ignored?

Because the "criteria" decided upon earlier in the crisis might not make any sense today?

 

[DFSNOLE]

Because the "criteria" decided upon earlier in the crisis might not make any sense today?

Wrong. You're spinning as usual. The criteria was adopted by the committee formed by DeSantis to navigate the reopening. Other than the initial phase, he has summarily ignored it.

 

[The Tradition]

Wrong. You're spinning as usual. The criteria was adopted by the committee formed by DeSantis to navigate the reopening. Other than the initial phase, he has summarily ignored it.

We know more about this virus today than we did when "the committee" met.

(not sure why this committee's recommendations should be gospel forever).

 

[mcgrawfsu]

Then why set criteria for moving forward with the reopening if they are just going to be ignored?
No one is advocating to shut down again. Just stop the openings where we are now until your own markers are achieved. It's really pretty simple.

The most important marker, deaths, continues to improve. Why slow it down if you would achieve the same result either way?

 

[DFSNOLE]

We know more about this virus today than we did when "the committee" met.

(not sure why this committee's recommendations should be gospel forever).

First, these were criteria not recommendations. Look up the difference. Second, if they were as outdated as you want to claim, why haven't they been changed?

Keep spinning Tiny Dancer.

 

[The Tradition]

First, these were criteria not recommendations. Look up the difference. Second, if they were as outdated as you want to claim, why haven't they been changed?

Keep spinning Tiny Dancer.

Because the death rate keeps falling. That's really the only statistic that means anything.

 

[DFSNOLE]

The most important marker, deaths, continues to improve. Why slow it down if you would achieve the same result either way?

And if cases and ER visits are on the rise, isn't it sensible and logical that deaths will rise as well? You're claim is that they are all mutually exclusive?

 

[DFSNOLE]

Because the death rate keeps falling. That's really the only statistic that means anything.

You failed to address either point.

 

[The Tradition]

And if cases and ER visits are on the rise, isn't it sensible and logical that deaths will rise as well? You're claim is that they are all mutually exclusive?

ER visits aren't really spiking. Just cases. Because testing has increased dramatically.

 

[ihawk in FWB]

Death and hospital visits are going down. As long as that trend continues I’m ok with the cases going up.

Is Nikki running for re-election right now?

Where can I find the numbers of hospitalizations?

 

[Rudolph]

That caught my attention, and it could be BS, but the chart shows percentage of cases that are people over 50 vs under 50; so each two plots will always add up to 100%; so the two lines will necessarily be an exact inverse of each other.

Yeah, but seems odd that the cases for people over 50 would be follow the exact inverse trend of the cases for those under 50. I haven't followed the link. But seems highly unlikely, right?

 

[Greenway4Prez]

I am posting because I want a like from you and of you don’t, I will bang your gf!

That’s a sure fire way to get WPOTY, right there!