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Why Iowa Turned So Red When Nearby States Went Blue

Read this book. Although it's almost 20 years old, still does well explaining what occurred across the flyover states. Probably could be updated with the rise of populist nationalism.

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It doesn’t surprise me that the Democratic Party has become too extreme for Iowans. What shocks me is how much they seem to still love Trump.

The state has changed a lot since I left 15 years ago. Oh, and I am educated and have predominantly voted Republican my entire life.
😆 the Democratic Party is extreme? Sure for delusional morons.
 
Politics aside, I love Iowa, and I'm not sure I'll ever leave.

It's home, and I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.

It will swing the other way at some point, maybe not all the way blue, but more towards the middle.

When the evangelicals realize Jesus would be more liberal than the current state of the GOP, the wheels will fall off.
 
Politics aside, I love Iowa, and I'm not sure I'll ever leave.

It's home, and I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.

It will swing the other way at some point, maybe not all the way blue, but more towards the middle.

When the evangelicals realize Jesus would be more liberal than the current state of the GOP, the wheels will fall off.
The "people" who say it's bad, are liberal nutjobs who want our entire nation turned into a marxist state. Iowa is their Ukraine........
 
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Totally good with liberals moving to another state suitable to their liking.

The dems have bad ideas. The people of Iowa have rejected them.
We left over the summer, came back for Christmas... And determined we made the right choice. A lot more opportunities in other areas of the country.

Also, I noticed just how bad Iowa stinks. Literally. Constant smell of hog shit.
 
We left over the summer, came back for Christmas... And determined we made the right choice. A lot more opportunities in other areas of the country.

Also, I noticed just how bad Iowa stinks. Literally. Constant smell of hog shit.
JFC.......drink some Drano....preferably a pint.....
 
We left over the summer, came back for Christmas... And determined we made the right choice. A lot more opportunities in other areas of the country.

Also, I noticed just how bad Iowa stinks. Literally. Constant smell of hog shit.

I haven't smelled hog shit since Ragbrai 6 years ago and even then it was just one time that week.

Don't mislead people.
 
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You don't really care that I know people that can scam you? I'm not going to do it. I'm a law abider, but I know plenty of people that would love nothing more than to ruin your hatred here.
I sent your threats to a buddy who also practices law in Iowa. His reply was,'WTF, is the guy tired of practicing law?' lol How hard do you think it would be for an investigator from the IA BAR to find you?! 🤡
 
I sent your threats to a buddy who also practices law in Iowa. His reply was,'WTF, is the guy tired of practicing law?' lol How hard do you think it would be for an investigator from the IA BAR to find you?! 🤡

LOL, I made no threats. I'm telling you to be more conscientious in your over the top statements.
 
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LOL, I made no threats. I'm telling you to be more conscientious in your over the top statements.
Bro....you threatened to hack me and turn my info over to scammers. Were you gone the day they taught conspiracy/complicity in law school? I thought officers of the court were supposed to be above even the mere appearance of impropriety? No? I felt so threatened I needed to contact my own attorney for aid, comfort and advice. o_O
 
I simply asked if you want to know your IP address? You threatened with a PI, (good luck with that). There is no conspiracy, no information relayed. Frankly I'm doing you a favor by telling you to quit your hate nonsense.

But glad you needed comfort and advice. Hope you can put your big boy pants back on.
 
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I simply asked if you want to know your IP address? You threatened with a PI, (good luck with that). There is no conspiracy, no information relayed. Frankly I'm doing you a favor by telling you to quit your hate nonsense.

But glad you needed comfort and advice. Hope you can put your big boy pants back on.
Spin bitch, spin! What you said is all screen printed and one of your fellow lawyers said it's a WTF moment and it astounds him that someone in the profession would announce they are such and then act like this. Play all you want, you know what the cannons say!
 
Spin bitch, spin! What you said is all screen printed and one of your fellow lawyers said it's a WTF moment and it astounds him that someone in the profession would announce they are such and then act like this. Play all you want, you know what the cannons say!

I'm not worried about someone who calls me a "sniveling bitch". Libel is easier to prove than something that never happened.

I know exactly who you are. I'm not going to dox you, because I'm better than that. This is a message board, not a forum for lawsuits. Grow up.
 
There is no comparison. My wife did home health for years. There are tons of people who watch FOX all day long. There are no corresponding people watching MSNBC all day. Conservatives has a monopoly on self-induced brain washing, which is why they are now just a cult.


If they aren't watching Fox they had that fat, drug addicted, draft dodging, college dropout from Missouri on the radio. Boy he sure was a patriot. Constant brain poison 24/7.
 
I'm not worried about someone who calls me a "sniveling bitch". Libel is easier to prove than something that never happened.

I know exactly who you are. I'm not going to dox you, because I'm better than that. This is a message board, not a forum for lawsuits. Grow up.
I'm not a lawyer, Jimmy, I'm just a simple retiree being threatened by one, so the cannons of ethics you are supposed to conduct yourself by don't apply to me. Please do doxx me, please...keep digging! It almost seems as though you are unaware of your own cannons of ethics and behavior!
 
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I'm not a lawyer, Jimmy, I'm just a simple retiree being threatened by one, so the cannons of ethics you are supposed to conduct yourself by don't apply to me. Please do doxx me, please...keep digging! It almost seems as you are unaware of your own cannons of ethics and behavior!

Don't talk to me about ethics. You have proven you have none. I'm done with you
 
If they aren't watching Fox they had that fat, drug addicted, draft dodging, college dropout from Missouri on the radio. Boy he sure was a patriot. Constant brain poison 24/7.

That definitely started everything. I remember in the 80’s and early 90’s restaurants had “Rush Rooms” where groups of dittoheads would eat lunch while listening to Limbaugh. He created the first alternate reality, and Murdoch & Ailes capitalized on the abundance of willingly duped masses by creating FOX.

There is no liberal equivalent. When people try (Remember Air America?) it just doesn’t work. It seems “sheeple” is really far more a conservative phenomena. Mega-dittos, Rush!
 
Your second paragraph is quite the broad-brush. As opposed to the white leftist urbanite who consumes MSNBC all day and wore four masks during Covid while being consumed with Trump?
Why didn't you stay in Iowa? Why did you seek employment in another state? You keep fluffing Iowa, yet you moved out of it.
 
It doesn’t surprise me that the Democratic Party has become too extreme for Iowans. What shocks me is how much they seem to still love Trump.

The state has changed a lot since I left 15 years ago. Oh, and I am educated and have predominantly voted Republican my entire life.
Sure. Iowa is getting older and angrier. It's also getting browner, which really fuels a lot of the anger in the old people.
The young people with opportunities in life are moving out of the state, leaving the people who cannot adapt, or are too lazy to adapt behind. They see the world changing around them and it scares them.
 
Over the past 15 years, the Upper Midwest has seen a remarkable state-by-state sorting of voters along partisan lines.


With the Iowa caucuses six days away, politicians will be crisscrossing the state, blowing through small-town Pizza Ranches, filling high school gyms, and flipping pancakes at church breakfasts.

What Iowans will not be seeing are Democrats. President Biden spoke Friday in Pennsylvania, and he and Vice President Kamala Harris both were in South Carolina over the weekend and on Monday. But Iowa, a state that once sizzled with bipartisan politics, launched Barack Obama to the presidency in 2008 and seesawed between Republican and Democratic governors, has largely been ceded to the G.O.P. as part of a remarkable sorting of voters in the Upper Midwest.

There is no single reason that over the past 15 years the Upper Midwest saw Iowa turn into a beacon of Donald J. Trump’s populism, North and South Dakota shed storied histories of prairie populism for a conservatism that reflected the national G.O.P., and Illinois and Minnesota move dramatically leftward. (Sandwiched in between, Wisconsin found an uncomfortable parity between its conservative rural counties and its more industrial and academic centers in Milwaukee and Madison.)

No state in the nation swung as heavily Republican between 2012 and 2020 as Iowa, which went from a six-percentage-point victory for Barack Obama to an eight-point win for Mr. Trump in the last presidential election.

Deindustrialization of rural reaches and the Mississippi River regions had its impact, as did the hollowing out of institutions, from civic organizations to small-town newspapers, that had given the Upper Midwest a character separate from national politics.

Susan Laehn, an Iowa State University political scientist who lives in the small town of Jefferson, Iowa, recounted how an issue that once would have been handled through discussions at church or the Rotary Club instead became infected with national politics, with her husband, the libertarian Greene County attorney, stuck in the middle: New multicolored lighting installed last summer to illuminate the town’s carillon bell tower prompted an angry debate over L.G.B.T.Q. rights, leaving much of the town soured on identity politics that they largely blamed on the national left.

Another issue: Brain drain. The movement of young college graduates out of Iowa and the Dakotas to the metropolises of Chicago and Minneapolis-St. Paul made a mark on the politics of all five states.

Michael Dabe, a 19-year-old business and marketing major at the University of Dubuque, near the western bank of the Mississippi River, has found a comfortable home in Iowa, where life is slower and simpler than in his native Illinois and politics, he said, are more aligned with his conservative inclinations.

But he expressed little doubt what he will be doing with his business degree once he graduates, and most of his classmates are likely to follow suit, he said.

“There are just so many more opportunities in Chicago,” he said. “Politics are important to me, but job security, being able to raise a family more securely, is more important, for sure.”

An analysis in 2022 by economists at the University of North Carolina, the W.E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research, the University of Michigan and the University of Chicago of data gleaned from LinkedIn showed how states with dynamic economic centers are luring college graduates from more rural states. Iowa loses 34.2 percent of its college graduates, worse than 40 of the 50 states, just below North Dakota, which loses 31.6 percent. Illinois, by contrast, gains 20 percent more college graduates than it produces. Minnesota has about 8 percent more than it produces.

Even when young families look to move back to the rural areas they grew up in, they are often thwarted by an acute housing shortage, said Benjamin Winchester, a rural sociologist at the University of Minnesota extension in St. Cloud, Minn.; 75 percent of rural homeowners are baby boomers or older, and those older residents see boarded-up businesses and believe their communities’ best days are behind them, he said.


As such older voters grow frustrated and more conservative, the trend is accelerating. Iowa, which had a congressional delegation split between two House Republicans, two House Democrats and two Republican senators in 2020, now has a government almost wholly under Republican control, which has enacted boldly conservative policies that ban almost all abortions and transition care for minors, publicly fund vouchers for private schools and pull books describing sexual acts from school libraries. (The library and abortion laws are now on hold in the courts.) The congressional delegation is now entirely Republican after a 2022 G.O.P. sweep in House races and the re-election of Senator Charles E. Grassley.

Meantime on the east bank of the Mississippi, in Illinois, high-capacity semiautomatic rifles have been banned, the right to an abortion has been enshrined in law and recreational marijuana is legal. Upriver in Minnesota, pot is legal, unauthorized immigrants are getting driver’s licenses, and voting access for felons and teens is expanding.

Such policy dichotomies are influencing the decisions of younger Iowans, said David Loebsack, a former Democratic House member from eastern Iowa.

“These people are going, and I fear they’re going to keep going, given the policies that have been adopted,” he said.

The politics of rural voters in the Upper Midwest may simply be catching up to other rural regions that turned conservative earlier, said Sam Rosenfeld, a political scientist at Colgate University and author of “The Polarizers,” a book on the architects of national polarization. Southern rural white voters turned sharply to the right in the 1960s and 1970s as Black southerners gained power with the civil rights movement and attendant legislation, he noted.

But rural voters in the Upper Midwest, where few Black people lived, held on to a more diverse politics for decades longer. North Dakota, with its state bank, state grain mill and state grain elevator, has retained vestiges of a socialist past, when progressive politicians railed against rapacious businessmen from the Twin Cities. Even still, its politics have changed dramatically.
Your second paragraph is quite the broad-brush. As opposed to the white leftist urbanite who consumes MSNBC all day and wore four masks during Covid while being consumed with Trump?
Hawkland....how many folks do you think watch MSNBC?
 
I think a majority of the red/blue divide is driven by the rural/metropolitan condition,... Iowa has a lot of "rural" and only small pockets of "metropolitan",... We don't have a Chicago, Minneapolis or St. Louis...
 
I think a majority of the red/blue divide is driven by the rural/metropolitan condition,... Iowa has a lot of "rural" and only small pockets of "metropolitan",... We don't have a Chicago, Minneapolis or St. Louis...

This is true. The difference between Iowa and Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois is that we dont have a major population center. Sorry DSM.
 
I think a majority of the red/blue divide is driven by the rural/metropolitan condition,... Iowa has a lot of "rural" and only small pockets of "metropolitan",... We don't have a Chicago, Minneapolis or St. Louis...
And the rural areas for the most part are being abandoned as folks move to where jobs are...cities/ urban areas in and out of Iowa.
 
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Sure. Iowa is getting older and angrier. It's also getting browner, which really fuels a lot of the anger in the old people.
The young people with opportunities in life are moving out of the state, leaving the people who cannot adapt, or are too lazy to adapt behind. They see the world changing around them and it scares them.
So your point would be: those browns showing up, are as dumb and lazy as the "angry olds?"
 
And the rural areas for the most part are being abandoned as folks move to where jobs are...cities/ urban areas in and out of Iowa.

I am not sure why that draws a laughing emoji from Ryan. Its just fact. Some towns have already shrunk a great deal.
 
It doesn’t surprise me that the Democratic Party has become too extreme for Iowans. What shocks me is how much they seem to still love Trump.

The state has changed a lot since I left 15 years ago. Oh, and I am educated and have predominantly voted Republican my entire life.
I think you will see something different and surprising when they caucus on Monday. Trump may win, but it will not be in a landslide by any means.
 
I think you are seeing people slowly realize that the polices of the large cities that surround Iowa, are not working and making things dangerous. I know countless people with families that have moved from Chicago, Minneapolis, KC, etc. back to Iowa to raise their family.

As far as the brain drain they are touting in the article, you are always going to get young students graduating and being attracted to the cities. For starters, there are more jobs and it is more exciting. The issue now is the flight that you are seeing from the late 20s-40 age bracket from cities.

Iowans can see the policies that work and the ones that don't. The older you get the smarter you get.
 
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Read this book. Although it's almost 20 years old, still does well explaining what occurred across the flyover states. Probably could be updated with the rise of populist nationalism.

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Populist Nationalism a term for caring about America and its values?
 
I think you are seeing people slowly realize that the polices of the large cities that surround Iowa, are not working and making things dangerous. I know countless people with families that have moved from Chicago, Minneapolis, KC, etc. back to Iowa to raise their family.

As far as the brain drain they are touting in the article, you are always going to get young students graduating and being attracted to the cities. For starters, there are more jobs and it is more exciting. The issue now is the flight that you are seeing from the late 20s-40 age bracket from cities.

Iowans can see the policies that work and the ones that don't. The older you get the smarter you get.
no, the older you get the less you will accept change, Once you get use to anything you stick with it.
 
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