Again -- this has been stated and everyone agrees that land costs play a role. Did you start reading late in the thread?
Why is liberal California the poverty capital of America?
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Wrong.....I'm trying to ADD the scientific data and context to the discussion.
YOU are ignoring it.
Ha ha - you guys crack me up. Complaining about someone else not reading a research paper as neither of you read the research paper. You can't make this up.
We didn't ask you for "another generic article"; we asked you to defend the one you already posted.
Your move, Batman.
That's not 'anecdotal evidence'. It is a matter of FACT that there are earthquake codes in CA. Along with the other FACTS I'd posted. Now, go point out to where those are discussed in your "economics paper". Post quotes from it.
We're asking YOU to defend what you'd posted, rather than rely on others to do your homework for you.
"You can't make this shit up"
No, you denied it when I posted it before.
Stop lying and changing the goalposts pal.
San Francisco's Dirty Little Secret
It's one of the most racially segregated cities in North America...
San Francisco is culturally diverse, but the diversity is strictly segregated. We call this historical character, and character can only be maintained by keeping outsiders out. Neighborhoods can’t exactly come out and impose cultural segregation, but they can enforce zoning laws. By blocking new buildings and preventing the renovation of old ones, residents ensure that the demographic makeup stays the same year after year.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-17/san-franciscos-dirty-little-secret
It's one of the most racially segregated cities in North America...
San Francisco is culturally diverse, but the diversity is strictly segregated. We call this historical character, and character can only be maintained by keeping outsiders out. Neighborhoods can’t exactly come out and impose cultural segregation, but they can enforce zoning laws. By blocking new buildings and preventing the renovation of old ones, residents ensure that the demographic makeup stays the same year after year.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-17/san-franciscos-dirty-little-secret
Again - they are ivy league economists. You're really getting desperate here wanting clowns on a message board to 'disprove' them. I know they are right - if you're so upset about their academic research - do the work and quit attacking me for believing in science. (and don't rely on a geologist's study - that won't get you very far)
I did? When do you think I denied it? I don't believe it's (geography) is the primary issue in California as others are trying to claim. I agree that it's the overall regulatory burden as proven by the economists. Obviously many things factor.
Again....I do not care "who they are"; that's simply an 'argument from authority', without detailing and discussing the ACTUAL ARGUMENT.
We are asking for WHAT they argued and the details within their study:
- their assumptions made
- their methods
- their adjustments based on the 'geology', 'earthquake hazards', 'mudslide risks', 'fire risks' etc
If that's NOT in the paper, then the conclusions are being VASTLY overstated by you.
Yes....getting your ASS handed to you by someone means they 'have an insufferable attitude'.
When you cannot rationally discuss facts and points in a paper, it probably does make you feel 'pretty inferior' to others. That's not my problem. That's your problem.
Ha ha - again. You're so desperate. Maybe some other economists already did this. If their paper is not accepted within academia - I'm sure you can find the proof.
Report: Racial, economic disparities have led to Bay Area’s ‘resegregation’
The Bay Area’s black population experienced a dramatic migration into outer suburban parts of the region over a 14-year span, the result of the rising cost of living in inner regions, according to a new report by the Oakland nonprofit Urban Habitat.
An estimated 22,000 black residents — about the population of Millbrae — left the Bay Area altogether during that time period, according to the report, which analyzed data in 11 counties between 2000 and 2014.
The report aims to highlight the socio-economic disparities that have led to a “resegregation” of the Bay Area, according to the group, as people of color migrate to more affordable pockets of the region. But in these new, distant places — such as Antioch and Stockton — residents also encounter difficulties finding quality jobs and schools, decent affordable housing, public transportation and adequate social services.
It’s the latest analysis depicting a decades-long trend plaguing low-income communities of color, in which thousands of residents are being pushed out of the Bay Area’s inner core into once-remote suburban areas where housing is cheaper, but resources are often few and far between.
“While many applaud the Bay Area’s impressive economic growth, primarily as measured by gross regional product, the inequality that has grown alongside it has become impossible to ignore,” the report said. “Decades of uneven and unequal development risk turning unprecedented prosperity into an engine for new forms of injustice for people of color, women, and immigrants. Poor planning and bad policy decisions have fueled high levels of racial and economic inequality, and pushed the region’s geographic boundaries ever further outwards.”.....
.....“When you look at who is impacted by this, disproportionately, it’s clearly about race,” he said. “Low-income communities of color are more likely to be displaced. To say that this isn’t about race is disingenuous and reveals a lack of familiarity with the data.”
The group suggested advancing policies that provide temporary and long-lasting housing stability as well as advancing regional agendas for equitable development.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12...parities-have-led-to-bay-areas-resegregation/
The Bay Area’s black population experienced a dramatic migration into outer suburban parts of the region over a 14-year span, the result of the rising cost of living in inner regions, according to a new report by the Oakland nonprofit Urban Habitat.
An estimated 22,000 black residents — about the population of Millbrae — left the Bay Area altogether during that time period, according to the report, which analyzed data in 11 counties between 2000 and 2014.
The report aims to highlight the socio-economic disparities that have led to a “resegregation” of the Bay Area, according to the group, as people of color migrate to more affordable pockets of the region. But in these new, distant places — such as Antioch and Stockton — residents also encounter difficulties finding quality jobs and schools, decent affordable housing, public transportation and adequate social services.
It’s the latest analysis depicting a decades-long trend plaguing low-income communities of color, in which thousands of residents are being pushed out of the Bay Area’s inner core into once-remote suburban areas where housing is cheaper, but resources are often few and far between.
“While many applaud the Bay Area’s impressive economic growth, primarily as measured by gross regional product, the inequality that has grown alongside it has become impossible to ignore,” the report said. “Decades of uneven and unequal development risk turning unprecedented prosperity into an engine for new forms of injustice for people of color, women, and immigrants. Poor planning and bad policy decisions have fueled high levels of racial and economic inequality, and pushed the region’s geographic boundaries ever further outwards.”.....
.....“When you look at who is impacted by this, disproportionately, it’s clearly about race,” he said. “Low-income communities of color are more likely to be displaced. To say that this isn’t about race is disingenuous and reveals a lack of familiarity with the data.”
The group suggested advancing policies that provide temporary and long-lasting housing stability as well as advancing regional agendas for equitable development.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12...parities-have-led-to-bay-areas-resegregation/
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Can you imagine the outcry if San Francisco was a conservative city with conservative policies and there was this much poverty and segregation? The outcry would be enormous. But it's not - it's a far-left progressive utopia. And its policies are failing the poor and middle class - and the country as a whole.
You keep changing the subject. Can you discuss the aspects of your original article by "Ivy league economists", or not?
Again, your move, Batman.
So you disagree with the economists' study that proves the regulatory impact is a larger cost driver than the geography of the area. That's fine - you are free to reject science.
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But, by your argument, shouldn't a "more friendly" business environment ... well ... attract businesses?
Des Moines seems to be booming and faces the same geographic constraints as Western Iowa.
San Francisco’s Gap Between Rich And Poor Second Largest In Nation, Study Finds
San Francisco has one of the most unequal distribution of incomes in the United States, according to a new study.
Between 2007 and 2013, the gap between the rich and the poor widened in 21 of America’s largest 50 cities...
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...and-poor-among-largest-in-nation-study-finds/
San Francisco has one of the most unequal distribution of incomes in the United States, according to a new study.
Between 2007 and 2013, the gap between the rich and the poor widened in 21 of America’s largest 50 cities...
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...and-poor-among-largest-in-nation-study-finds/
Des Moines seems to be booming and faces the same geographic constraints as Western Iowa.[/QUOTE]
Booming in comparison to what, are we talking about California any more?
Also, if OP is correct Iowa has a lower poverty rate than California and using your example, Des Moines, it has a much much lower poverty level than most large California cities. Iowa has also had a greater mix of political leadership at the state and local level vs California which has less diverse political leanings. So out of that can we assume that Iowa, now republican run, does a better job of providing for its citizens than California does. So does that mean that Republicans do a better job at governing and creating more opportunity for all than the left leaning states like California?
I mean, there is less wealth in Iowa by far yet Iowa's citizens fair better, on avg economically, than their CA counterparts.
'Today' names Des Moines the wealthiest American city
If you're looking to relocate somewhere new, you might want to listen up. 'Today' featured America's wealthiest city, and it's one you might not expect.
Yup, not Manhattan, Miami, or even Silicon Valley. It's Des Moines, Iowa.
In the past, the capital of Iowa has been declared the best place for business and careers by Forbes. Kiplinger also called it the best city for families.
Back in 2011, U.S. News & World Report ranked Des Moines No. 1 among the richest metro areas. The capital of Iowa has the highest median income in the nation relative to the cost of living.
https://www.aol.com/article/2014/01/23/today-names-des-moines-the-wealthiest-american-city/20814543/
10 Cities With the Highest and Lowest Real Incomes
The 10 metropolitan areas with the highest adjusted median household incomes.
Des Moines, Iowa 90.6 $56,576 $62,446
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, D.C.-Va.-Md.-W.Va. 138.6 85,168 61,449
Worcester, Mass. 103.7 63,360 61,099
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, Texas 89.3 54,146 60,634
Ogden-Clearfield, Utah* 100 60,208 60,208
Colorado Springs, Colo. 92.3 55,176 59,779
Dallas-Plano-Irving, Texas 92.1 54,539 59,217
Madison, Wisc.* 96.2 56,709 58,949
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, Ga. 94.2 55,464 58,879
Raleigh-Cary, N.C. 101.3 59,316 58,555
Below are the 10 metropolitan areas with the lowest adjusted median household incomes.
McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, Texas 87.2 30,460 34,931
New York-White Plains-Wayne, N.Y.-N.J. 177.8 62,887 35,370
Modesto, Calif.* 136.6 48,716 35,663
Fresno, Calif. 120.1 45,661 38,019
El Paso, Texas 89.7 36,146 40,297
Honolulu, Hawaii 166.3 67,744 40,736
Springfield, Mass.* 119.8 49,177 41,049
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Glendale, Calif. 141.6 58,525 41,331
Miami-Miami Beach-Kendall, Fla. 109.8 45,946 41,845
Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, Pa.* 98.1 41,823 42,633
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/06/01/10-cities-with-the-highest-and-lowest-real-incomes
The 10 metropolitan areas with the highest adjusted median household incomes.
Des Moines, Iowa 90.6 $56,576 $62,446
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, D.C.-Va.-Md.-W.Va. 138.6 85,168 61,449
Worcester, Mass. 103.7 63,360 61,099
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, Texas 89.3 54,146 60,634
Ogden-Clearfield, Utah* 100 60,208 60,208
Colorado Springs, Colo. 92.3 55,176 59,779
Dallas-Plano-Irving, Texas 92.1 54,539 59,217
Madison, Wisc.* 96.2 56,709 58,949
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, Ga. 94.2 55,464 58,879
Raleigh-Cary, N.C. 101.3 59,316 58,555
Below are the 10 metropolitan areas with the lowest adjusted median household incomes.
McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, Texas 87.2 30,460 34,931
New York-White Plains-Wayne, N.Y.-N.J. 177.8 62,887 35,370
Modesto, Calif.* 136.6 48,716 35,663
Fresno, Calif. 120.1 45,661 38,019
El Paso, Texas 89.7 36,146 40,297
Honolulu, Hawaii 166.3 67,744 40,736
Springfield, Mass.* 119.8 49,177 41,049
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Glendale, Calif. 141.6 58,525 41,331
Miami-Miami Beach-Kendall, Fla. 109.8 45,946 41,845
Scranton--Wilkes-Barre, Pa.* 98.1 41,823 42,633
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/06/01/10-cities-with-the-highest-and-lowest-real-incomes
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I'm specifically referring to your claim that a business friendly environment spurs growth and that is what is, in part, hurting California.
How come Western Iowa, which is apparently more business friendly than California, not experiencing much business growth?
you then said geography. Well, Des Moines has the same geography and yet seems to be killing it compared to Western Iowa?
Why does Western Iowa suck at growing economically if a "business friendly environment" is all you need?
All good points. But please explain why in such a rich environment of business and opportunity, why is the poverty levels so high? Why are almost all Dem controlled states and cities have such high unemployment and poverty?
What does this even mean? Where in western Iowa? Some small town in the middle of nowhere? Des Moines is doing well. The Omaha area is doing very well. Sioux Falls, South Dakota is doing very well. So you have the three largest major population centers that triangle/form the perimeter to western Iowa are doing very well - i'm not sure what else you'd expect in a sparsely populated area.
Where/when did I say a business friendly environment is ALL you need?
Seems to me that you are just making positions up for others (that they never took) to try and strengthen your own position...never thought that would happen on HROT.
The point I have been making is that California is an incredibly wealthy state, it has tremendous geographic advantages that have helped spurt that growth on. It also has a big problem with poverty and wealth inequality and some of that can be directly attribute to the tax and business environment (along with other factors) that they have crafted.
Are you disagreeing with that?
As it pertains to Western Iowa and many areas across the great plains it appears that agriculture is where capital is best utilized in this area of the state, like it is in many areas of the country (some California regions as well).
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