Why is the B1G getting disrespect?

[Auger]

How is it the PAC and the SEC and even Big 12 teams are getting more respect then B1G teams? MSU not getting a #1 seed despite beating Kansas and having a much better resume then Oregon is crazy. How are Indiana, Purdue and Maryland 5 seeds despite having similar or even better seasons then Utah, California, Kentucky, Texas A&M, Iowa St, Duke? Don't get it, the B1G seems to be rated as the 4th or 5th best conference in this tournament.

The nice thing though is the B1G will get to prove themselves against these conferences as Maryland gets a chance with Cal, Indiana with Kentucky and Purdue with ISU.

 

[MepoDawg#]

And won the B1G/ACC Challenge.

 

[MeetTheFerentz]

I think the Big 12 and Pac-12 are getting a lot of respect because of all their Final Four appearances the past 3 seasons, compared to the Big Ten's lack thereof.

 

[ICWestfan]

I think the Big 12 and Pac-12 are getting a lot of respect because of all their Final Four appearances the past 3 seasons, compared to the Big Ten's lack thereof.

 

[lakeguy641]

Yep, both the P-10 and B-12 have had a total of 1 final four member per conference since 2008. You can see why they'd be perceived better then the B1G since it's only had 3 in the last two years.

Also the B1G's big wins over teams like Kansas this year aren't that great so yea, one 2 seed and a bunch of 5's seems about right.

 

[CyCity]

I think the Big 12 and Pac-12 are getting a lot of respect because of all their Final Four appearances the past 3 seasons, compared to the Big Ten's lack thereof.

Another reason why I don't care how the Big 12 does in the tournament. I hope West Virginia, Texas and Kansas get destroyed first round. Never understood why fans care so much about how their conference does when it doesn't change perception for future years.

 

[Kurt Warner]

It's the same big twelve that breezed through the tournament last year, and wasn't it an all big 12 final four? Yeah thought so...op, that's part of the reason right there.

 

[Steve Waite]

It's clear that the committee had a hard on for Pac 12 & Big 12.
That being said. The Big Ten will do very well in this tournament.
Iowa as a 7 seed has a very easy path to sweet 16. If they decide to show up.
Maryland, Indiana & Purdue as 5 seeds is a insult to their resume.

You usually will see a 5/12 upset in tourney. I don't see any of these three losing in first round.
I will bet you will see more 4/13 upsets due to the poor job the committee did with seeding this year.
Duke & Clowns as 4 seeds are a complete Joke!

 

[CyCity]

It's clear that the committee had a hard on for Pac 12 & Big 12.
That being said. The Big Ten will do very well in this tournament.
Iowa as a 7 seed has a very easy path to sweet 16. If they decide to show up.
Maryland, Indiana & Purdue as 5 seeds is a insult to their resume.

You usually will see a 5/12 upset in tourney. I don't see any of these three losing in first round.
I will bet you will see more 4/13 upsets due to the poor job the committee did with seeding this year.
Duke & Clowns as 4 seeds are a complete Joke!

Indiana lost to Wake Forest, UNLV and Penn State. No chance they deserve to be seeded over Iowa State with their SOS.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Indiana lost to Wake Forest, UNLV and Penn State. No chance they deserve to be seeded over Iowa State with their SOS.

Indiana won their conference out right and didn't finish 6th in their own conference or go 0-6 vs the top teams on the road. Unfortunately for the clones the tourney isn't being played at Hilton.

 

[CyCity]

Indiana won their conference out right and didn't finish 6th in their own conference or go 0-6 vs the top teams on the road. Unfortunately for the clones the tourney isn't being played at Hilton.

And the committee proves us once against conference standings mean nothing. ISU beat two tournament teams on a neutral court and beat an Illinois team at full strength away from Hilton as well.

 

[SpartanJD]

Because of how conferences like the PAC12 manipulate sos through scheduling.

Schedule relaly bad teams on the road for bonus points and play rpi teams ranked 200 instead of 300.

The rpi considers the gap between the 1 and 101 RPI team the same as the gap between the 200 and 300 ranked rpi teams for sos purposes. Its a sham.

 

[relishingwinning18]

And the committee proves us once against conference standings mean nothing. ISU beat two tournament teams on a neutral court and beat an Illinois team at full strength away from Hilton as well.

ISU went 3-8 against the top of the big 12, and those 3 wins were at home, there's a reason everyone is talking about how overrated you guys are as far as seeding is concerned. Indiana is 25-7 to your 21-11. You have 8 wins over tournament teams(including Chattanooga), they have seven wins against the field, none were like Chattanooga. Purdue was 26-8, with 8 wins over teams in the tourney as well. At some point, you have to stop talking about good losses and start talking about who you actually beat. You probably should have been a 5 seed, no question.

AS far as the committee is concerned, the Oklahoma AD led crowd clearly showed bias. Oklahoma's favorable draw, Texas having to play A&M, a huge rival 2nd round, and Tulsa getting in are just more examples of shadiness.

Iowa deserved it's seed, for what it's worth.

 

[CyCity]

ISU went 3-8 against the top of the big 12, and those 3 wins were at home, there's a reason everyone is talking about how overrated you guys are as far as seeding is concerned. Indiana is 25-7 to your 21-11. You have 8 wins over tournament teams(including Chattanooga), they have seven wins against the field, none were like Chattanooga. Purdue was 26-8, with 8 wins over teams in the tourney as well. At some point, you have to stop talking about good losses and start talking about who you actually beat. You probably should have been a 5 seed, no question.

AS far as the committee is concerned, the Oklahoma AD led crowd clearly showed bias. Oklahoma's favorable draw, Texas having to play A&M, a huge rival 2nd round, and Tulsa getting in are just more examples of shadiness.

Iowa deserved it's seed, for what it's worth.

I thought Purdue should have been a 4 and would have been OK with ISU as a 5 but think their 4 is justified. Indiana's schedule was not good and they had 3 bad losses. It's pretty apparent that is what hurt them and even with their 7 losses they were still behind ISU in the RPI.

 

[HerkyFan]

Indiana lost to Wake Forest, UNLV and Penn State. No chance they deserve to be seeded over Iowa State with their SOS.

IU is better than isu.

SOS & Tournament performance will prove once again that the Texas Ten is over rated/valued. Will it ever stop isu grads from touting their myths? Not a chance.

 

[relishingwinning18]

I thought Purdue should have been a 4 and would have been OK with ISU as a 5 but think their 4 is justified. Indiana's schedule was not good and they had 3 bad losses. It's pretty apparent that is what hurt them and even with their 7 losses they were still behind ISU in the RPI.

You argue RPI, but ISU's was 21st in eligible teams in RPI, again, putting them as what should have been a 6 seed. They were given a higher seed then Maryland, Purdue, Seton Hall, Dayton, and St Joes, who all sat ahead of them. Iowa was 26th in eligible teams and got a 7 seed. Everyone wants to talk about Iowa's collapse at the end of the season, which is well deserved, but ISU was 5-7 in their last 12, with just one win over a tourney team. There is no rhyme or reason to ISU's seed, it just doesn't make sense, unless bias was used. Or, they only focused on "bad" losses, but that seems odd. More to the point, ISU and Purdue's seeds don't really matter, they are going to have to play 2nd round anyways, whether their seeds were flip-flopped or not.

 

[5Fan5]

Indiana lost to Wake Forest, UNLV and Penn State. No chance they deserve to be seeded over Iowa State with their SOS.

According to your particular preferred source, Indiana is the better of the two teams. Must be consistent or lose what little credibility you might have posting about how one conference is so vastly superior to any other.

 

[CyCity]

According to your particular preferred source, Indiana is the better of the two teams. Must be consistent or lose what little credibility you might have posting about how one conference is so vastly superior to any other.

13 of ISU's 19 opponents are NCAA Tournament teams and ISU didn't lose to a team that didn't make the NCAA Tournament. That's why they are seeded where they are at. Play good teams and don't lose to bad teams and you earn a good seed

 

[HerkyFan]

You argue RPI, but ISU's was 21st in eligible teams in RPI, again, putting them as what should have been a 6 seed. They were given a higher seed then Maryland, Purdue, Seton Hall, Dayton, and St Joes, who all sat ahead of them. Iowa was 26th in eligible teams and got a 7 seed. Everyone wants to talk about Iowa's collapse at the end of the season, which is well deserved, but ISU was 5-7 in their last 12, with just one win over a tourney team. There is no rhyme or reason to ISU's seed, it just doesn't make sense, unless bias was used. Or, they only focused on "bad" losses, but that seems odd. More to the point, ISU and Purdue's seeds don't really matter, they are going to have to play 2nd round anyways, whether their seeds were flip-flopped or not.

Hey now isu was 13-11 since winning their Super Bowl in December. The next myth from isu grads will be is that isu really is better they just lost close games.

 

[5Fan5]

13 of ISU's 19 opponents are NCAA Tournament teams and ISU didn't lose to a team that didn't make the NCAA Tournament. That's why they are seeded where they are at. Play good teams and don't lose to bad teams and you earn a good seed

That is fairly easy to explain when a single conference is considered so superior to begin a season. That fact alone impacts your overused schedule strength and from there it is nothing more than a self fulfilling prophesy. Let's allow the tourney to at least have some games played before beating the drums (and your chest) about how good/not so good any particular team is.

Funny though, how a fourth seed is "good" at this point in time. Seem to recall a lot of 'top five' and 'final four' banter from Ames prior to the season.

 

[CyCity]

That is fairly easy to explain when a single conference is considered so superior to begin a season. That fact alone impacts your overused schedule strength and from there it is nothing more than a self fulfilling prophesy. Let's allow the tourney to at least have some games played before beating the drums (and your chest) about how good/not so good any particular team is.

Funny though, how a fourth seed is "good" at this point in time. Seem to recall a lot of 'top five' and 'final four' banter from Ames prior to the season.

I'm just happy the committee realized how good the Big 12 was and rewarded Iowa State for the grind they had to go through. Hopefully they have enough in the tank to make a run

 

[hawkfan1963]

Keep winning the game you are in and you don't have to worry about how you are treated by the powers that be.

 

[HerkyFan]

I'm just happy the committee realized how good the Big 12 was and rewarded Iowa State for the grind they had to go through. Hopefully they have enough in the tank to make a run

For the 6th straight year the Texas Ten won't live up to their seeds. Rinse and repeat.

Here is a "bet your house" prediction. isu grads will continue to tout how awesome the Texas Ten is despite what occurs in the tourney just as they have for the past 6 years.

 

[HerkyFan]

Keep winning the game you are in and you don't have to worry about how you are treated by the powers that be.

Which is exactly why the Big Ten tends to perform better than their seeds in the tourney. Of course that must be ignored isu grad will tell you just ask.

 

[crHawkeye92]

It's probably because the bottom half of the B1G is seen as very weak compared to the top half

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

I am biased, but I think every B1G team, except Iowa and Michigan (and maybe Wisky), should have been 1 seed better than they were placed. I understand the B12 more than the PAC10, which seems to be very overseeded.

 

[Iafootballfan]

Clones/B12 are slightly overrated, who cares? The committee has always rewarded strong schedules, this is nothing new. Indiana was 100th in SOS and had less wins in the top 50 than ISU. B1G also got plenty of respect, Michigan made the tourny... I personally thought Purdue should have been a 4 and MSU a 1, but that's not even worth arguin about.

 

[MTHawkeyes43]

It's clear that the committee had a hard on for Pac 12 & Big 12.
That being said. The Big Ten will do very well in this tournament.
Iowa as a 7 seed has a very easy path to sweet 16. If they decide to show up.
Maryland, Indiana & Purdue as 5 seeds is a insult to their resume.

You usually will see a 5/12 upset in tourney. I don't see any of these three losing in first round.
I will bet you will see more 4/13 upsets due to the poor job the committee did with seeding this year.
Duke & Clowns as 4 seeds are a complete Joke!

I just love how Iowa finishes like a team that does not deserve to even be in the tournament and then Iowa fans keep commenting how much of an easy path Iowa has to the Sweet 16. The way Iowa is playing I have my doubts Iowa will beat Temple. Temple is not Davidson.

Moreover, Villanova is certainly no slouch as they were a prospective #1 seed until the loss to Seton Hall in the semi-finals of the Big East tournament.

"If they decide to show up." What makes you think they are suddenly going to show up? They could not get it together and show up for mighty double digit seed Illinois, who went on to get destroyed by Purdue the very next day, so once again Iowa made a double digit seed look like they were conference title contenders.

The Iowa of January is long gone and the fans are left with the Iowa of February. Iowa has had several opportunities to get right and they are just a shell of who they were.

 

[jaysonjohn2012]

ISU as a 4 seed is a complete joke.

 

[noStemsnoSTICKS]

ISU went 3-8 against the top of the big 12, and those 3 wins were at home, there's a reason everyone is talking about how overrated you guys are as far as seeding is concerned. Indiana is 25-7 to your 21-11. You have 8 wins over tournament teams(including Chattanooga), they have seven wins against the field, none were like Chattanooga. Purdue was 26-8, with 8 wins over teams in the tourney as well. At some point, you have to stop talking about good losses and start talking about who you actually beat. You probably should have been a 5 seed, no question.

AS far as the committee is concerned, the Oklahoma AD led crowd clearly showed bias. Oklahoma's favorable draw, Texas having to play A&M, a huge rival 2nd round, and Tulsa getting in are just more examples of shadiness.

Iowa deserved it's seed, for what it's worth.

I think that's fair. I'm a clone fan and was surprised at a 4 seed. Five is more fitting though they'll probably square off against Purdue (5) anyway. If that happens I don't see them getting past Purdue, unfortunately. The clones can't handle their bigs. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[Iafootballfan]

ISU as a 4 seed is a complete joke.

Should have been a 5, 6 at worst. I don't consider a spot higher to be a "complete joke".

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Indiana won their conference out right and didn't finish 6th in their own conference or go 0-6 vs the top teams on the road. Unfortunately for the clones the tourney isn't being played at Hilton.

Indiana plays an unbalanced schedule and the committee believes the B10 is a weaker conference. Teams that lose to Penn St and/or Illinois are not going to get as much respect when it comes to seeding for a Nat'l tournament.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

ISU as a 4 seed is a complete joke.

Agreed..... Should have been a 3

 

[HerkyFan]

Agreed..... Should have been a 3

Yep isu going 13-11 since winning their Super Bowl is proof they should have been seeded higher. isu grad will tell you just ask him again.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Indiana plays an unbalanced schedule and the committee believes the B10 is a weaker conference. Teams that lose to Penn St and/or Illinois are not going to get as much respect when it comes to seeding for a Nat'l tournament.

Way to show your ignorance. Kentucky 4 seed lost to Auburn. Michigan St 2 seed lost to Nebraska, Virginia lost Va Tech, etc. Committee doesn't drop a team just due to one bad loss as you've so stated.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

Way to show your ignorance. Kentucky 4 seed lost to Auburn. Michigan St 2 seed lost to Nebraska, Virginia lost Va Tech, etc. Committee doesn't drop a team just due to one bad loss as you've so stated.

You seem to forget that MSU lost to Iowa twice. I am certain they did not get a 1 seed because of it. The hawks have been horrible lately and that cost MSU and probably Indiana.

 

[CyCity]

Way to show your ignorance. Kentucky 4 seed lost to Auburn. Michigan St 2 seed lost to Nebraska, Virginia lost Va Tech, etc. Committee doesn't drop a team just due to one bad loss as you've so stated.

Indiana had 3 bad losses not 1 plus we all know they had a weak Big Ten schedule

 

[HerkyFan]

Indiana had 3 bad losses not 1 plus we all know they had a weak Big Ten schedule

isu going 13-11 since winning their Super Bowl is proof isu should be a 3 seed. isu grad will tell you just ask them.

 

[HerkyFan]

You seem to forget that MSU lost to Iowa twice. I am certain they did not get a 1 seed because of it. The hawks have been horrible lately and that cost MSU and probably Indiana.

When will SOS actually translate into teams doing well in the post season? It hasn't occurred for more than 5 years for the Texas Ten and it doesn't matter if you are talking about football or MBB the outcome is the same. As predictable as the sun rising in the east however is isu grads will continue to tout it.

 

[Clonewithasigh]

I am guessing that 100 is posting because the post count is going up but I can't see them as he is on ignore..... LOL!