Why Liberals have failed and Cons haven't...

[HawktimusPrime]

-Wars still going and no end is in sight
-a slow but steady expansion of military involvement in the Middle East
-Climate Change, still changing
-Healthcare not available or cheap for all
-Rich still getting richer
-Liberties and privacy no longer being fought for by them
-Racial issues at its worst levels in years
-multiple muslim/terrorist attacks the past few years
-Fed unable to raise rates for fear of causing panic on in the stock market
-Feminism goes from being seen as a positive change for women, to being now seen as an annoying and overeaching movement, even by other women
-loss of support from the black communities


These are all facts, and the Liberals are now in charge. If I'm wrong, point me to why that is. Thank you.

Cons, you're on the hook next.

 

[fredjr82]

 

[HawktimusPrime]

The Cons are winning Fred and according to some on here, the Liberals are the only force that can stop them. They haven't done that.

 

[BABiscuit]

Do libertarians next, but instead of listing failures, list things they have accomplished.

 

[fredjr82]

The Cons are winning Fred and according to some on here, the Liberals are the only force that can stop them. They haven't done that.

 

[naturalmwa]

-Wars still going and no end is in sight
-a slow but steady expansion of military involvement in the Middle East
-Climate Change, still changing
-Healthcare not available or cheap for all
-Rich still getting richer
-Liberties and privacy no longer being fought for by them
-Racial issues at its worst levels in years
-multiple muslim/terrorist attacks the past few years
-Fed unable to raise rates for fear of causing panic on in the stock market
-Feminism goes from being seen as a positive change for women, to being now seen as an annoying and overeaching movement, even by other women
-loss of support from the black communities

I wryly smile that these are all considered victorious conservative positions. Good job cons, you sure showed the libs.

 

[The Tradition]

I wryly smile that these are all considered victorious conservative positions. Good job cons, you sure showed the libs.

So, you enjoy being lied to? At least conservatives are honest about their plans.

 

[naturalmwa]

So, you enjoy being lied to? At least conservatives are honest about their plans.

I appreciate that these are cons honest goals. Libs have been accusing cons of this hit list for some time, good to see you drop the pretext.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I wryly smile that these are all considered victorious conservative positions. Good job cons, you sure showed the libs.

I'm not praising the cons, I'm wondering why the Liberals have let them walk all over them.

I'm not good at all with any of these things listed.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

The earmarks either go one way or they go another. Its been a shoddy and weak argument against Paul. I'd let that go in an instance, to have someone like him who would have tried to stop the Housing Crisis, not tried to get us into Iraq, would have done what he could have actually done to cut government waste, and who generally understands what liberty actually is, and tries to actually go against elite interests controlling Washington.

Would he have accomplished any of this? No, but you know he would have at least tried. IF he ever had a fair chance.

Frederick the Bless-ed hates freedom. It's okay Frederick, it's your right to hate it.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

I appreciate that these are cons honest goals. Libs have been accusing cons of this hit list for some time, good to see you drop the pretext.

The question is though, why have the Libs failed so badly to stop this stuff? Even more concerning is that they have added to much of what is on this list.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Do libertarians next, but instead of listing failures, list things they have accomplished.

List the chances that the system has truly given them? Also explain why so much opposition comes from both parties against them.

Then explain how their opposition to them has helped accomplish anything once the Libertarians were pushed out of the way for people like Bush Jr, Obama, etc.

We can all play this game.

 

[Run&Blade]

It's very easy to convince people to vote themselves other people's money.

Also, the republicans fascination of promising fiscal responsibility but never doing it is also maddening. Truth is the republicans are more about helping big business including military contractors than they are about cutting the deficit.

 

[BABiscuit]

List the chances that the system has truly given them? Also explain why so much opposition comes from both parties against them.

Then explain how their opposition to them has helped accomplish anything once the Libertarians were pushed out of the way for people like Bush Jr, Obama, etc.

We can all play this game.

Boo hoo. It isnt our fault we have never accomplished anything, it is the systems fault. Maybe you should dry off your vagina and quit playing the victim for once.

 

[naturalmwa]

The question is though, why have the Libs failed so badly to stop this stuff? Even more concerning is that they have added to much of what is on this list.

The answer is obvious. Cons have an easier path to the championship, they always have.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

The answer is obvious. Cons have an easier path to the championship, they always have.

They do, but are the Liberals maybe not as liberal as they play at?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Boo hoo. It isnt our fault we have never accomplished anything, it is the systems fault. Maybe you should dry off your vagina and quit playing the victim for once.

The system uses people like you to make sure that people like me don't get in. Your support of the DNC is the same thing as supporting the GOP. Hence why the GOP is winning.

I'm not a victim BABISCUIT,..you are. You're a victim of your own stupidity. Your own ridiculous notions that you're making a difference. You've been found wanting, and you're never going to get what you want.

The Cons have won.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

It's very easy to convince people to vote themselves other people's money.

Also, the republicans fascination of promising fiscal responsibility but never doing it is also maddening. Truth is the republicans are more about helping big business including military contractors than they are about cutting the deficit.

Yes, they are. Yet the Liberals can't seem to put a stop to this, despite having 7 years now in office. Why is that?

 

[naturalmwa]

They do, but are the Liberals maybe not as liberal as they play at?

Of course. There isn't a very liberal party in America. That died with the DLC and Clinton in 1992. The D party of today is about as liberal as the R party of the 60's. If you took abortion and gays off the table, you would be hard pressed to find much difference between your grandfather's R party and the Ds of today.

 

[JRHawk2003]

SS is entrenched as is Medicare and Medicaid....the war was over a long time ago....

 

[naturalmwa]

Yes, they are. Yet the Liberals can't seem to put a stop to this, despite having 7 years now in office. Why is that?

Because there are hardly any liberals in office.

 

[BABiscuit]

The system uses people like you to make sure that people like me don't get in. Your support of the DNC is the same thing as supporting the GOP. Hence why the GOP is winning.

I'm not a victim BABISCUIT,..you are. You're a victim of your own stupidity. Your own ridiculous notions that you're making a difference. You've been found wanting, and you're never going to get what you want.

The Cons have won.

If my stupidity is helping keep people like you down, I will consider that a win. And you still sound like a victim blaming the system on your failings.

 

[slieb85]

-Wars still going and no end is in sight
-a slow but steady expansion of military involvement in the Middle East
-Climate Change, still changing
-Healthcare not available or cheap for all
-Rich still getting richer
-Liberties and privacy no longer being fought for by them
-Racial issues at its worst levels in years
-multiple muslim/terrorist attacks the past few years
-Fed unable to raise rates for fear of causing panic on in the stock market
-Feminism goes from being seen as a positive change for women, to being now seen as an annoying and overeaching movement, even by other women
-loss of support from the black communities


These are all facts, and the Liberals are now in charge. If I'm wrong, point me to why that is. Thank you.

Cons, you're on the hook next.

Still waiting for you to take on some cons...

 

[moral_victory]

They do, but are the Liberals maybe not as liberal as they play at?

Essentially true. The number of true progressives is dwarfed by centrist or center right democrats. However, I suspect you already knew this, but made this thread anyway.

You can see it pretty obviously when you look at votes like the TPA, Freedom Act, and CISA.

 

[who r u]

Yes, they are. Yet the Liberals can't seem to put a stop to this, despite having 7 years now in office. Why is that?

not that the end result would be any different if lib/dem were completely in control or not but they haven't exactly been in complete control for 7 years.

this is how obama/dem presidency will play out

senate with 6yrs , senate opposed 2yrs , house with 2yrs , house opposed 6yrs , congress with 2yrs , congress opposed 2yrs , congress divided 4yrs

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Still waiting for you to take on some cons...

I'm doing it right now.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Because there are hardly any liberals in office.

And now we are getting somewhere,....and?

 

[slieb85]

not that the end result would be any different if lib/dem were completely in control or not but they haven't exactly been in complete control for 7 years.

this is how obama/dem presidency will play out

senate with 6yrs , senate opposed 2yrs , house with 2yrs , house opposed 6yrs , congress with 2yrs , congress opposed 2yrs , congress divided 4yrs

Pointed that out to him like 2 weeks ago when he claimed it was "liberal control".

He obviously stopped responding and figured he'd wait a few weeks and try to put that out there again to see if people would buy that stupidity.

 

[naturalmwa]

And now we are getting somewhere,....and?

And elect some.

 

[Menace Sockeyes]

Take big global issues that would never end quickly + a variety of half-baked opinions he he actually believes are facts = one DUMB OP.

 

[who r u]

Pointed that out to him like 2 weeks ago when he claimed it was "liberal control".

He obviously stopped responding and figured he'd wait a few weeks and try to put that out there again to see if people would buy that stupidity.

i think he needs this

 

[HawktimusPrime]

And elect some.

Whom fits that criteria?

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Take big global issues that would never end quickly + a variety of half-baked opinions he he actually believes are facts = one DUMB OP.

Excuses are easy outs, Matty taking it easy.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Pointed that out to him like 2 weeks ago when he claimed it was "liberal control".

He obviously stopped responding and figured he'd wait a few weeks and try to put that out there again to see if people would buy that stupidity.

Excuses, excuses. Decisions, decisions have been made that are very Con like, oh yes, very con like.

Where are the excuses for those decisions?.....

 

[HawktimusPrime]

To spell it out Slieb, Obama has made decisions without congress being the reason why. Very important decisions, that rob you and I of certain liberties.

Why did he do that? It's time to stop always blaming just congress Dems.....it's an old and tired excuse.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

i think he needs this

It does work that way. Obama willingly signed off on the Freedom Act, extended the Patriot act multiple times, added indefinite detention into the NDAA, TPP, etc.

Tell me why Congress is solely at fault here.

 

[naturalmwa]

Whom fits that criteria?

Sanders.

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Sanders.

Does he? Why?

 

[slieb85]

To spell it out Slieb, Obama has made decisions without congress being the reason why. Very important decisions, that rob you and I of certain liberties.

Why did he do that? It's time to stop always blaming just congress Dems.....it's an old and tired excuse.

Oh, so because Obama has used his executive order power, we're going to say that he Democrats were in control? Come the f on.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

 

[HawktimusPrime]

Oh, so because Obama has used his executive order power, we're going to say that he Democrats were in control? Come the f on.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

That's a small part of what I'm saying, think broader. Quit trying to one up me and think.