Why Social Programs (a.k.a easy money) Don't Work.

[Arbitr8]

http://www.debate.org/debates/Social-Welfare-Programs-do-not-work/1/

All the social programs that this county uses are wasteful. it gives money to people who have shown that they are unable to manage money well for free. It tells people that if you fail at making a living and taking care of yourself and your family that it does not matter because the government will take care of you.
The free market system is based on incentive, and in this case incentive to make money and live is removed. The wish to work hard and make the world a better place is nullified to those who are offered free money. it is incredibly easy to get into the welfare system but not many get out. It is a trap that halts progress.
I'm not saying that there should be programs that help people in times of emergency but the government should help people get out of poverty and not keep them there and the present system does just that. The best way is to lower taxes for those that make less. not raise taxes on the rich to give to the poor who will remain poor. Then that money that would of been used badly can be used to expand the economy and create more jobs and pay better wages allowing people to get out of poverty.

Helping in poverty is not helping people out of poverty. if someone falls into deep pit is the best solution to keep throwing water and food down there until the person dies of old age or is the most efficient solution to throw down a rope and let 'em get out. The obvious answer is to throw down a rope. Today's present day social programs help people in poverty like keeping the person on the bottom of the well getting out never was easy,
this requires work done on the side of the victim who needs to climb up and out.

It is easier living at the bottom of the pit. food and water come easy without much effort. but when you leave you will need to get a job and work and live and it may be hard.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

the plans actually are working: the intent of democrats and socialists and communists is to take down this country. take down religion, two parent families, traditions, traditional americans, hard work, saving money, so on. make people be under their thumb for everything from food to housing, and make people look to government as the big daddy. the great society was a communist plan to ruin America. it is working.

 

[naturalmwa]

http://www.debate.org/debates/Social-Welfare-Programs-do-not-work/1/

All the social programs that this county uses are wasteful. it gives money to people who have shown that they are unable to manage money well for free. It tells people that if you fail at making a living and taking care of yourself and your family that it does not matter because the government will take care of you.
The free market system is based on incentive, and in this case incentive to make money and live is removed. The wish to work hard and make the world a better place is nullified to those who are offered free money. it is incredibly easy to get into the welfare system but not many get out. It is a trap that halts progress.
I'm not saying that there should be programs that help people in times of emergency but the government should help people get out of poverty and not keep them there and the present system does just that. The best way is to lower taxes for those that make less. not raise taxes on the rich to give to the poor who will remain poor. Then that money that would of been used badly can be used to expand the economy and create more jobs and pay better wages allowing people to get out of poverty.

Helping in poverty is not helping people out of poverty. if someone falls into deep pit is the best solution to keep throwing water and food down there until the person dies of old age or is the most efficient solution to throw down a rope and let 'em get out. The obvious answer is to throw down a rope. Today's present day social programs help people in poverty like keeping the person on the bottom of the well getting out never was easy,
this requires work done on the side of the victim who needs to climb up and out.

It is easier living at the bottom of the pit. food and water come easy without much effort. but when you leave you will need to get a job and work and live and it may be hard.

This is a really confused piece. It says we should expand poverty programs by turning them from a sustaining model to an actual vehicle for mobility, which would require substantial increases in cost and effort. Then it says we shouldn't be paying for that program. Then it says we should accomplish all this by cutting taxes for a group that already pays little. There are like three contradictory bits right there.

 

[dgordo]

Was that written for a 5th grade essay contest?

 

[ihhawk]

They should be a safety net. Turned into a Hammock though

 

[pablow]

Well somebody has to be poor, so why don't we just forget the grandiosity and, instead simply offer or guarantee some minimal standard of existence - a habitable residence, food, health care, k-12 public education, cigarettes, and liquor. After that, the poors are on they're own.

 

[Arbitr8]

Watching Ferguson and Baltimore go up in flames at the hands of those sucking from the publics tit clearly showed free money isn't working.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

if someone falls into deep pit is the best solution to keep throwing water and food down there until the person dies of old age or is the most efficient solution to throw down a rope and let 'em get out. The obvious answer is to throw down a rope.

No, the GOP answer is to do neither - while giving a tax cut to the rich and borrowing to pay for it.

We used to send our excess human detritus to die in wars. Unfortunately, we've gotten too good at war and not enough of our trash gets taken out by the enemy. And it isn't like we haven't tried. We under-equip our troop and keep sending them back. Yet too many of them STILL come back. Clearly we need better solutions.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Watching Ferguson and Baltimore go up in flames at the hands of those sucking from the publics tit clearly showed free money isn't working.

Actually, what it showed is that it works extremely well. We are providing very little support, a very unequal society, and a very crappy justice system. If Americans had any sort of balls we would have had major revolts across the country without the need for cops to trigger it by murder or other abuse.

What should amaze us is how docile the 47% are, not how close to the surface the violence is in a few isolated cases.

 

[HRiscool]

http://www.debate.org/debates/Social-Welfare-Programs-do-not-work/1/

All the social programs that this county uses are wasteful. it gives money to people who have shown that they are unable to manage money well for free. It tells people that if you fail at making a living and taking care of yourself and your family that it does not matter because the government will take care of you.
The free market system is based on incentive, and in this case incentive to make money and live is removed. The wish to work hard and make the world a better place is nullified to those who are offered free money. it is incredibly easy to get into the welfare system but not many get out. It is a trap that halts progress.
I'm not saying that there should be programs that help people in times of emergency but the government should help people get out of poverty and not keep them there and the present system does just that. The best way is to lower taxes for those that make less. not raise taxes on the rich to give to the poor who will remain poor. Then that money that would of been used badly can be used to expand the economy and create more jobs and pay better wages allowing people to get out of poverty.

Helping in poverty is not helping people out of poverty. if someone falls into deep pit is the best solution to keep throwing water and food down there until the person dies of old age or is the most efficient solution to throw down a rope and let 'em get out. The obvious answer is to throw down a rope. Today's present day social programs help people in poverty like keeping the person on the bottom of the well getting out never was easy,
this requires work done on the side of the victim who needs to climb up and out.

It is easier living at the bottom of the pit. food and water come easy without much effort. but when you leave you will need to get a job and work and live and it may be hard.

Very well said. Another problem is that the narrative in our society is that everyone is the same therefore all outcomes should be the same. That's logically false. I am NOT the same as Tiger Woods (unless you're talking about sleeping with hundreds of hot Swedish girls). Dear DEMS, stop saying EVERYONE should have a 4 year degree. Lots of folks don't want one and most don't need one.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

This is America today:

"I'M SICK AND TIRED AND I'M NOT GOING TO . . . oh, the game is starting? Great, you get the chips, I'll grab the beer."

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Very well said. Another problem is that the narrative in our society is that everyone is the same therefore all outcomes should be the same.

Except nobody actually says that.

 

[HRiscool]

Actually, what it showed is that it works extremely well.

It physically hurts when I read this.

 

[Arbitr8]

Actually, what it showed is that it works extremely well. We are providing very little support, a very unequal society, and a very crappy justice system. If Americans had any sort of balls we would have had major revolts across the country without the need for cops to trigger it by murder or other abuse.

What should amaze us is how docile the 47% are, not how close to the surface the violence is in a few isolated cases.

What world do you live in? It is not working, Ferguson and Baltimore clearly demonstrated despite spending billions on social programs animalistic behavior is still present in many of the poors.

 

[HRiscool]

What world do you live in? It is not working, Ferguson and Baltimore clearly demonstrated despite spending billions on social programs animalistic behavior is still present in many of the poors.

Trillions . . .






























. . . wasted

 

[naturalmwa]

Very well said.

Really? Read it again. It might represent an argument you support, but its not well made.

 

[HRiscool]

Really? Read it again. It might represent an argument you support, but its not well made.

Truth = always very well said.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

What world do you live in? It is not working, Ferguson and Baltimore clearly demonstrated despite spending billions on social programs animalistic behavior is still present in many of the poors.

But not the cops? But not the talk show hosts and others amplifying racism and other social ills to blame the victims?

Which is the animal?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It physically hurts when I read this.

Yes, truth hurts.

 

[Arbitr8]

But not the cops? But not the talk show hosts and others amplifying racism and other social ills to blame the victims?

Which is the animal?

Those crying out let it burn, burn it down, starting fires, looting buildings, smashing cars, those are the animals.

 

[HRiscool]

I was unaware of your religious conversion. I'm still an agnostic.

 

[naturalmwa]

Yes, truth hurts.

I've been told that this is well said.

 

[HRiscool]

Those crying out let it burn, burn it down, starting fires, looting buildings, smashing cars, those are the animals.

I wish natural was attracted to common sense ^^^^^^ as much as my abs.

 

[naturalmwa]

I wish natural was attracted to common sense ^^^^^^ as much as my abs.

Speaking of which, you promised me an avatar.

 

[HRiscool]

Speaking of which, you promised me an avatar.

But wouldn't that damage my reputation as Mr. Humble?

 

[naturalmwa]

But wouldn't that damage my reputation as Mr. Humble?

lets find out.

 

[TexMichFan]

Well somebody has to be poor, so why don't we just forget the grandiosity and, instead simply offer or guarantee some minimal standard of existence - a habitable residence, food, health care, k-12 public education, cigarettes, and liquor. After that, the poors are on they're own.

Won't work unless you add internet service and a cell phone.

 

[strummingram]

I'm sorta surprised the people who get it are citing the Pope- who also gets it! I'm not surprised the people who look to people like Dennis Prager and Michael Medved for wisdom still DON'T get it. Throwing money at the problem kind of IS the problem, however. It's sort of what the Pope is trying to say, I believe. It's not the existence, or amount of money In existence, that is the problem. It's the utilization and importance of it on a visceral level that is the problem.

 

[HRiscool]

lets find out.

I'll post it . . . but I don't want any complaints

I'm sorta surprised the people who get it are citing the Pope- who also gets it! I'm not surprised the people who look to people like Dennis Prager and Michael Medved for wisdom still DON'T get it. Throwing money at the problem kind of IS the problem, however. It's sort of what the Pope is trying to say, I believe. It's not the existence, or amount of money In existence, that is the problem. It's the utilization and importance of it on a visceral level that is the problem.

Your gibberish can't be translated unless you give all of us your decoder ring.

 

[HRiscool]

lets find out.

I just want you to know how hard it is for me to go thru life having women AND men obsess over me. Imagine being Sean Connery, only a thousand times more desirable.

 

[strummingram]

I'll post it . . . but I don't want any complaints


Your gibberish can't be translated unless you give all of us your decoder ring.

They don't make decoder rings for you.

Try this "You don't get it." Better?

 

[HRiscool]

Raise your hand if you predicted when this thread was created that WWJD and the libertarians would both propose a world ruled by the POPE?

 

[naturalmwa]

I just want you to know how hard it is for me to go thru life having women AND men obsess over me. Imagine being Sean Connery, only a thousand times more desirable.

I hear ya brother.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I was unaware of your religious conversion. I'm still an agnostic.

I'm becoming a Catholic atheist.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Won't work unless you add internet service and a cell phone.

Fine. Add internet service and a cell phone.

 

[That tractor guy]

That's ironic from the man who runs one of the wealthiest organizations in the world...who supposedly is charged with doing the Lord's work. Jesus didn't own a bunch of real estate holdings. He didn't hord art and cash. IF you're REALLY concerned about the poor the pope should start liquidating assets and start helping.

Instead they're pushing for amnesty down here (Texas) to get more wealth to one of their few remaining strongholds (the Hispanics) to generate more cash for the church.

I'm a Christian...but I'm no fan of the Catholic church. And if that offends I'd invite you to reflect on one thing...is your salvation based on the Vatican? Or the death of Jesus Christ on the cross? If you have to think about that...then I'm really praying for you.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

the pope is a communist Jesuit from a third world country, on the order of communist cuba except commie cuba is supposed to be anti-religious so more like venezuela

 

[That tractor guy]

The 'cause of poverty' is poor choices. Sadly many of those 'poor choices' result in more people that are 'educated and raised' by people who make poor choices.

You cannot 'give' your way to solving poverty. You can educate out of it...but the education isn't some useless college degree. The education these folks need is work ethic, financial management, and probably in many cases some form of addiction help.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

That's ironic from the man who runs one of the wealthiest organizations in the world...who supposedly is charged with doing the Lord's work. Jesus didn't own a bunch of real estate holdings. He didn't hord art and cash. IF you're REALLY concerned about the poor the pope should start liquidating assets and start helping.

Instead they're pushing for amnesty down here (Texas) to get more wealth to one of their few remaining strongholds (the Hispanics) to generate more cash for the church.

I'm a Christian...but I'm no fan of the Catholic church. And if that offends I'd invite you to reflect on one thing...is your salvation based on the Vatican? Or the death of Jesus Christ on the cross? If you have to think about that...then I'm really praying for you.

I really admire the many ways the right has managed to attack the new Pope.