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Why won't the MAGA folks just admit that Russia started the war?

What is it that stops them from admitting what everyone else in the world knows is true? What is the basis for their denial?
I don't know. It doesn't make sense. I understand why Trump doesn't want to go there right now, but not any of the rest of them. It's not hard to see this was all Russia, and there really isn't a reasonable argument otherwise.

I do get the point about NATO breaking it's agreement, but come on...the Warsaw pact isn't a thing anymore, and an invasion is an invasion.
 
I don't know. It doesn't make sense. I understand why Trump doesn't want to go there right now, but not any of the rest of them. It's not hard to see this was all Russia, and there really isn't a reasonable argument otherwise.

I do get the point about NATO breaking it's agreement, but come on...the Warsaw pact isn't a thing anymore, and an invasion is an invasion.
Shut up
 
What is wrong with world peace. We finally that have a president that wants it. Let's give it a try. All the hate on Russia is tv brain washing. Turn in off. Back in the 70's in public school we were taught to hate Russia every year. The liberals won't be happy until a billion lives are lost. Trump wants peace. The greatest president in my lifetime.
 
What is wrong with world peace. We finally that have a president that wants it. Let's give it a try. All the hate on Russia is tv brain washing. Turn in off. Back in the 70's in public school we were taught to hate Russia every year. The liberals won't be happy until a billion lives are lost. Trump wants peace. The greatest president in my lifetime.
i think "world peace" that's achieved through simply ignoring countries invading their neighbors probably isn't going to be long lasting
 
I don't know. It doesn't make sense. I understand why Trump doesn't want to go there right now, but not any of the rest of them. It's not hard to see this was all Russia, and there really isn't a reasonable argument otherwise.

I do get the point about NATO breaking it's agreement, but come on...the Warsaw pact isn't a thing anymore, and an invasion is an invasion.
How did NATO break it's agreement?
 
There was never any agreement.
Here’s the thing: even if it were true and Ukraine had been on the verge of joining NATO, so what? It’s a DEFENSIVE alliance and no matter how much Russian puppets want to pretend otherwise, there was never a threat of NATO moving against russia. What it would have meant from the Russian perspective is that the possibility of expanding in Ukraine would have meant risking a broader war that Putin would lose.
 
Here’s the thing: even if it were true and Ukraine had been on the verge of joining NATO, so what? It’s a DEFENSIVE alliance and no matter how much Russian puppets want to pretend otherwise, there was never a threat of NATO moving against russia. What it would have meant from the Russian perspective is that the possibility of expanding in Ukraine would have meant risking a broader war that Putin would lose.

It’s like me telling my neighbor he can’t put up security cameras
 
What is wrong with world peace. We finally that have a president that wants it. Let's give it a try. All the hate on Russia is tv brain washing. Turn in off. Back in the 70's in public school we were taught to hate Russia every year. The liberals won't be happy until a billion lives are lost. Trump wants peace. The greatest president in my lifetime.
Trump isn't interested in world peace. He couldn’t care less about the people being killed in Ukraine. He just wants Putin to win. In his mind Putin is always the innocent one. What you should be asking is why. Do you suppose maybe there's a little something in it for him?
 
What is wrong with world peace. We finally that have a president that wants it. Let's give it a try. All the hate on Russia is tv brain washing. Turn in off. Back in the 70's in public school we were taught to hate Russia every year. The liberals won't be happy until a billion lives are lost. Trump wants peace. The greatest president in my lifetime.
Peace at what cost? Should sovereign nations just surrender when a dictator decides he wants their country.

Should Americans give up their guns in the name of world peace? What is your definition of world peace?
 
How did NATO break it's agreement?
Russia agreed to German unification if NATO agreed not to move further east. NATO broke that, so that's the argument.

Now...on the contrary, Russia has invaded other countries since then, so this excuse when applied to Ukraine is IMO one more of convenience for Russia than a legit reason for their invasion.
 
Russia agreed to German unification if NATO agreed not to move further east. NATO broke that, so that's the argument.

Now...on the contrary, Russia has invaded other countries since then, so this excuse when applied to Ukraine is IMO one more of convenience for Russia than a legit reason for their invasion.
During the 1990 summit, Zoellick says President Gorbachev accepted the idea of German unification within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, based on the principle that every country should freely choose its own alliances.

“I was in those meetings, and Gorbachev has [also] said there was no promise not to enlarge NATO,” Zoellick recalls. Soviet Foreign Minister, Eduard Shevardnadze, later president of Georgia, concurred, he says. Nor does the treaty on Germany’s unification include a limit on NATO enlargement. Those facts have undermined one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s justifications for invading Ukraine — that the United States had agreed that former Warsaw Pact nations would never become part of the North Atlantic security alliance.
 
What is wrong with world peace. We finally that have a president that wants it. Let's give it a try. All the hate on Russia is tv brain washing. Turn in off. Back in the 70's in public school we were taught to hate Russia every year. The liberals won't be happy until a billion lives are lost. Trump wants peace. The greatest president in my lifetime.
What does world peace have to do with acknowledging that Russia started this war?

Truth is, if you claim Ukraine started the war than it makes it okay if Trump throws them under the bus.
 
Russia agreed to German unification if NATO agreed not to move further east. NATO broke that, so that's the argument.

Now...on the contrary, Russia has invaded other countries since then, so this excuse when applied to Ukraine is IMO one more of convenience for Russia than a legit reason for their invasion.
What treaty or document was signed to make that agreement?

It's OK to admit you're ignorant on the matter.
 
What is it that stops them from admitting what everyone else in the world knows is true? What is the basis for their denial?
Cult. Upsetting cult leader. These idiots would believe the US encouraged Pearl Harbor if Trump told them that. Dumbest country in the world.
Peace at what cost? Should sovereign nations just surrender when a dictator decides he wants their country.

Should Americans give up their guns in the name of world peace? What is your definition of world peace?
This clown would have handed the US over to Hirohito.
 
Didn't we have a on here about who started the war? Did that play out the way the op is claiming?
 
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