Will Iowa have a champion?
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Best chance is Gilman followed by Clark. I'd say it's 50/50 that we have a champ. I do think there is a strong possibility that we have 3 or 4 finalists, though.
The ones that I think could win in finals would be, in order:
Gilman
Clark
Brooks
Burak
Sorensen
...and Cooper of course!
Gilman
Clark
Brooks
Burak
Sorensen
...and Cooper of course!
Best chance to make finals:
1. Sorensen
2. Clark
3. Gilman
4. Brooks
Best chance to win championship:
1. Gilman
2. Clark
3. Brooks
4. Sorenson
I'm with1stplacehawk, 1:1 odds on having a champ seem about right.
1. Sorensen
2. Clark
3. Gilman
4. Brooks
Best chance to win championship:
1. Gilman
2. Clark
3. Brooks
4. Sorenson
I'm with1stplacehawk, 1:1 odds on having a champ seem about right.
I have 4 Hawk runner-ups (Clark, Burak, Brooks and Sorensen) and maybe not surprisingly, 3 Cornell champs.
4 second placers can score a lot of points!
4 second placers can score a lot of points!
I think Gilman is the most likely -- simply because he has consistently shown the killer instinct needed to go all the way. He, Clark, and Sorenson all have a chance; so it's possible we'll have a champion. But I'm not holding my breath.
It's amazing how percentages and likelihoods work. I think Gilman has a sigificantly better chance to win than any other Hawkeye. However, I think Clark and Sorenson have a much easier road to the finals, unless Tsirtsis somehow transforms back into the 2014 version(highly unlikely). Neither Clark or Sorenson have anyone nearly the caliber of Tomasello on their half of the bracket, however they both would most likely run into absolute monsters in the finals.
Brooks and Burak have real shots at making the finals, but they don't have any room to perform at less than their absolute best.
Would I be totally shocked if all 5 made the finals? Not really, none of them would have to pull of major upsets to do so. Burak would probably have to pull off the biggest upset of the group, but he has shown he can wrestle McIntosh close and if he can get that one elusive takedown he can win.
However, in the eyes of a statistician the odds of that happening are less than 1%........
Brooks and Burak have real shots at making the finals, but they don't have any room to perform at less than their absolute best.
Would I be totally shocked if all 5 made the finals? Not really, none of them would have to pull of major upsets to do so. Burak would probably have to pull off the biggest upset of the group, but he has shown he can wrestle McIntosh close and if he can get that one elusive takedown he can win.
However, in the eyes of a statistician the odds of that happening are less than 1%........
How about we win the first two weights, Gilman - Clark combo? I believe they can do it!
I agree with this that Clark and Sorenson have easier roads to the finals. If Gilman were to make the finals it's not like he'd have a cakewalk. He'd have a 2 time finalist who has already beaten him this year. That is why I think Clark has a better chance than Gilman. Megaludis is someone who is as credentialed and talented as Garrett. So Gilman has to beat 2 studs and Clark would just have to beat 1. I don't put Zane on the same level as Garrett, Mega, and Nato.
crablegs,
Individually I think Gilman has a better chance to beat Tomasello or Megaludis or Dance than Clark has to beat either Garrett or Brewer. They are both dynamos on their feet(which is admittedly Clark's worst position) and are both very good on bottom. Simply put, they are both match up nightmares for Clark. Gilman's opponents, however, do not pose any positional threat to Gilman other than slowing the pace down and frustrating him. If Gilman can keep his head and dictate the pace of the match, he wins.
Individually I think Gilman has a better chance to beat Tomasello or Megaludis or Dance than Clark has to beat either Garrett or Brewer. They are both dynamos on their feet(which is admittedly Clark's worst position) and are both very good on bottom. Simply put, they are both match up nightmares for Clark. Gilman's opponents, however, do not pose any positional threat to Gilman other than slowing the pace down and frustrating him. If Gilman can keep his head and dictate the pace of the match, he wins.
I think Gillman and Clark get the job done. Also Sorensen if he can get a take down and don't take down when it is his choice but gonna have to get that take down and Zain can be had.
I personally think Clark has a much better chance. Gilman has to beat NATO in the semis and then beat the winner of Dance/Megaludis. He has combined record of 2-5 against these 3 in his career I believe. Not saying he couldn't do it as he is capable of beating any of these guys, I just think Clark beating Garrett after he hopefully beats Brewer is much more likely.
I think Gilman is our best wrestler at the moment but I think Clark has the best chance to win it all. CC needs to get a hold of Nahshon Garrett in the finals, take him down and ride the ****ing **** out of him to slow him down.
Love TG but still don't know if we have what it takes to win both semis and finals. Desperately hope I'm wrong.
Sorensen, as we all know, has something similar to Mount Everest to get by in the finals.
Love TG but still don't know if we have what it takes to win both semis and finals. Desperately hope I'm wrong.
Sorensen, as we all know, has something similar to Mount Everest to get by in the finals.
Good point. I agree that Gilman is more likely to beat Nato or Mega then Clark is to beat Garrett or Brewer. I just think the odds get much tougher when you know you'll have to beat 2 of them instead of just 1.
Heart says 4 champs:
Gilman
Clark
Sorensen
Burak
Head, sadly, says none. Don't think we get one this year. Would love to be wrong x4.
Gilman
Clark
Sorensen
Burak
Head, sadly, says none. Don't think we get one this year. Would love to be wrong x4.
All it takes is for one the studs above us to lay an egg. There is always a huge surprise of a top wrestler getting taken out early...I just pray its not one of our guys!
i see Clark as most likely to win a championship, with Gilman next, just because Tomasello/Megaludes seems like more formidable opposition than Richards/Garrott.
probably a bit overoptimistic,but.......
Gilman 1st
Clark 1st
Sorensen 2nd
Cooper 7th
Rhoads R12
Meyer 7th
Brooks 2nd
Burak 3rd
Stoll 5th
probably a bit overoptimistic,but.......
Gilman 1st
Clark 1st
Sorensen 2nd
Cooper 7th
Rhoads R12
Meyer 7th
Brooks 2nd
Burak 3rd
Stoll 5th
Who else is for referring to ZR as Mount Everest from now on? I know he's a PSU guy but we can call Sorenson Edmund Hillary if he gets it done.
Seriously, I think Burak and Brooks have better chances of winning than Sorenson.
For making finals, I'd say
1. Sorenson
2. Brooks
3. Clark
4. Gilman
5. Burak
For winning it all, I'd say
1. Gilman
2. Clark
3. Brooks (thought about switching 2 and 3 here, but settled on this)
4. Burak
5. Sorenson
I think Clark and Sorenson have the best chance of making the finals but unfortunately do not think the Hawks will have a national champ this year. I'm just hopeful that the Hawks wrestle to or above their seeds and do not have any of their high seeded wrestlers get upset in the first few rounds. Also interested to see how tough the Hawks perform in consolations and what type of bonus pts the team can achieve in the first few rounds.
Hawks would need every break to fall in their favor in order to win the team title but most likely will be battling it out with Okie St, tOSU, and Cornell for 2nd - 5th place.
Hawks would need every break to fall in their favor in order to win the team title but most likely will be battling it out with Okie St, tOSU, and Cornell for 2nd - 5th place.
This is a tough questions. A guy like Sorenson has by far the best chance to make the finals but very minimal chance at winning it.
Realistically our best chances to win are.
1-Gillman-He's beat Nato numerous times(I believe 6). I'm full confident he'll do it again.
2-Clark-This is if he see Nashon in the finals. I think he would get beat up by Brewer. If Brewer can't beat Nashon then it doesn't matter.
3-Burak-It's not that Burak is the 3rd best guy on our team but there are no mega stars at his weight. He doesn't have to beat a Brewer or Zain.
4. Brooks-Dean keeps a lot of matches close but 99.9% of the time wins them.
5. Meyer-He's had a terrible year. He's cutting a ton and just can't seem to get going. If he's on I don't think there's anyone he can't beat. Is this realistic based on what we have seen this year? no.
6.Sorenson-Zain is just too good. He may be the best P4P in the country.
7-9 I believe we could get some amazing odds in vegas on any of the three. I do think 2 of them can AA if healthy and getting after it.
Realistically our best chances to win are.
1-Gillman-He's beat Nato numerous times(I believe 6). I'm full confident he'll do it again.
2-Clark-This is if he see Nashon in the finals. I think he would get beat up by Brewer. If Brewer can't beat Nashon then it doesn't matter.
3-Burak-It's not that Burak is the 3rd best guy on our team but there are no mega stars at his weight. He doesn't have to beat a Brewer or Zain.
4. Brooks-Dean keeps a lot of matches close but 99.9% of the time wins them.
5. Meyer-He's had a terrible year. He's cutting a ton and just can't seem to get going. If he's on I don't think there's anyone he can't beat. Is this realistic based on what we have seen this year? no.
6.Sorenson-Zain is just too good. He may be the best P4P in the country.
7-9 I believe we could get some amazing odds in vegas on any of the three. I do think 2 of them can AA if healthy and getting after it.
Gilman is 1-1 with Tomasello (if you include Freestyle then its like 4-1 or 5-1)
Gilman is 1-1 with Dance
Gilman is 0-2 with Megaludis
As for the topic, I'm going with Gilman and Clark as champs. Sorensen and Brooks as runner ups, Burak 3rd.
I think Gilmans getting it done this year. He is fully capable of beating anyone in the bracket and I guarantee no one wants to face him.
Clark isn't likely getting by Brewer and I have a feeling Richards is going to knock him off in the semis. He controlled 90% of that last match.
Sorensen isn't beating Zain. No one is for the next 3 yrs, he's Metcalf 2.0 but a better rider and tilter.
Burak hasn't come close to beating McIntosh despite a few close scores. Pretty wide gap there.
Brooks is interesting but 84 is deep and he just hasn't seemed to put it all quite together yet in a way that makes me think he can string off 5-6 straight.
I'd guess we'll go -
25 - 1st
33 - 4th
49 - 2nd
57 - R12
65 - 1-2
74 - 2-2
84 - 7th
97 - 3rd
Hwt - R12
Clark isn't likely getting by Brewer and I have a feeling Richards is going to knock him off in the semis. He controlled 90% of that last match.
Sorensen isn't beating Zain. No one is for the next 3 yrs, he's Metcalf 2.0 but a better rider and tilter.
Burak hasn't come close to beating McIntosh despite a few close scores. Pretty wide gap there.
Brooks is interesting but 84 is deep and he just hasn't seemed to put it all quite together yet in a way that makes me think he can string off 5-6 straight.
I'd guess we'll go -
25 - 1st
33 - 4th
49 - 2nd
57 - R12
65 - 1-2
74 - 2-2
84 - 7th
97 - 3rd
Hwt - R12
I apologize as I was including freestyle. I believe it's 7-1 but obviously they don't count.
I think Gilman is getting sold a little short and I think Sammy Brooks is getting sold short. Gilman is pissed about Big Tens. He's the most motivated kid we're taking to NYC. I would not want to wrestle him in the next 3 days. He's gonna be a National Champ, mark my words.
I think Cory Clark got over a big hump winning Big Tens but he also have Richards motivation. He's gonna be in for a dogfight in the semis trying to duplicate the performance. He should be confident but I hope Gilman has been in his ear and throwing his ass around the mat in practice to prep for this. Iron sharpens iron. if he beats Richard, Clark will be a national champion.
Sorenson, kid is a tough. I see him making it to the finals. But he has to learn from Big Tens if he's gonna have any shot which means for 7 minutes, he has to wrestle with absolute urgency and aggression like it's the last match of his life. That doesn't mean be reckless, but it does mean set the tempo, set the pace, and push your offense. Get the first takedown, and don't stop. Turn it into 2 or 3 before the match is over. Unfortunately I see a runner up here.
Brooks has a wicked draw no doubt but tell me he can't beat all those guys. He absolutely can. He got a ton of confidence from Big Tens and I think it benefits him even more than Clark. I think he needed it more. He's as ready as he can be or ever will be to run this gauntlet. I think Brooks gets to the finals and he gives an absolutely magnificent performance in the finals and comes up just short but by Saturday night, Brooks will be discussed heavily on here for his performance and how well he performed.
Burak, it's now or never and I believe the team title is decided in the Burak McIntosh semifinal. Burak is an enigma. He has the talent to win the whole damn thing. Just like Sorenson, it comes down to wrestling for 7 minutes with urgency and aggression. And if you get the early takedown, don't try to ride it out. Stay on it and turn it into 2-3 take downs. Burak can do this and I think if we somehow climb the hill and win the national title as a team, these 5 guys will have shown up with their hard hats and gone to work. And we'll be praising Brooks's performance and Burak's performance because it will mean he won a national championship.
The short answer is yes Iowa will have a national champ. Gilman is gonna see to that. I think we'll have multiple champs and multiple finalists and it will be a very fun tournament, especially Friday and Saturday night.
I think Cory Clark got over a big hump winning Big Tens but he also have Richards motivation. He's gonna be in for a dogfight in the semis trying to duplicate the performance. He should be confident but I hope Gilman has been in his ear and throwing his ass around the mat in practice to prep for this. Iron sharpens iron. if he beats Richard, Clark will be a national champion.
Sorenson, kid is a tough. I see him making it to the finals. But he has to learn from Big Tens if he's gonna have any shot which means for 7 minutes, he has to wrestle with absolute urgency and aggression like it's the last match of his life. That doesn't mean be reckless, but it does mean set the tempo, set the pace, and push your offense. Get the first takedown, and don't stop. Turn it into 2 or 3 before the match is over. Unfortunately I see a runner up here.
Brooks has a wicked draw no doubt but tell me he can't beat all those guys. He absolutely can. He got a ton of confidence from Big Tens and I think it benefits him even more than Clark. I think he needed it more. He's as ready as he can be or ever will be to run this gauntlet. I think Brooks gets to the finals and he gives an absolutely magnificent performance in the finals and comes up just short but by Saturday night, Brooks will be discussed heavily on here for his performance and how well he performed.
Burak, it's now or never and I believe the team title is decided in the Burak McIntosh semifinal. Burak is an enigma. He has the talent to win the whole damn thing. Just like Sorenson, it comes down to wrestling for 7 minutes with urgency and aggression. And if you get the early takedown, don't try to ride it out. Stay on it and turn it into 2-3 take downs. Burak can do this and I think if we somehow climb the hill and win the national title as a team, these 5 guys will have shown up with their hard hats and gone to work. And we'll be praising Brooks's performance and Burak's performance because it will mean he won a national championship.
The short answer is yes Iowa will have a national champ. Gilman is gonna see to that. I think we'll have multiple champs and multiple finalists and it will be a very fun tournament, especially Friday and Saturday night.
Man I gotta think we're right in this thing if this is how we perform. I agree with you pretty much all the way down too. There will be a lot of heat on Penn State if this is how we perform.
I don't agree with your last sentence. I don't think we need every break. We need to wrestle like we're capable of. I think our big five have to be ready to rock and roll and take it to people, I think Cooper, Meier, and Stoll need to wrestle above seed and be on the podium with Stoll in that 4-5 range and Cooper and Meier looking at the 7-8 range. And we need points out of Rhoads. If he can medal, that would be massive. What if Rhoads scored more points than Gulibon? But we don't have to move mountains. Everything I say there we're very capable of. I see 4 out of the big 5 in the finals with 2 champs and I see the other finishing 3rd. You can't tell me we're not right there with PSU for the team title having left the rest in the dust if that happens.
I completely agree with where you have the big five finishing and that will have us right in the team title race!
Debbie downer. Sheesh. This is how we finish 4th or 5th or so in the team race. I don't see it happening the way you're predicting. I think we'll perform much better pretty much across the board except for Gilman and Sorenson. I agree with you there.
