Will There EVER Be a GOP Health Care Plan?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

[In] an ABC News “town hall” hosted by George Stephanopoulos in the battleground state of Pennsylvania ... The president promised to protect the ability of people with pre-existing conditions to get healthcare coverage and accused Democrats of trying to kill that rule. Of course, the opposite is true: the Trump administration is trying to overturn the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare—that protects such people, while Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden promises to expand and strengthen the law.

When Stephanopoulos fact checked him, Trump insisted that he is going to protect people with pre-existing conditions through his own forthcoming new health care plan. Stephanopoulos pointed out that he has promised such a plan repeatedly since he took office, but none has ever appeared. Today White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said there was a plan in the works but told reporters that if they wanted to know what it was and who was working on it, they should come work at the White House.

September 16, 2020

Last night, Trump joined an ABC News “town hall” hosted by George Stephanopoulos in the battleground state of Pennsylvania. He faced ordinary Americans, who asked basic questions about health care, mask wearing, and so on, and delivered his usual litany of self-aggrandizement and lies. But he...

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[sober_teacher]

This is something that bugs me about people who like to bash Biden's platform. At least it offers details, whether you disagree with them or not. Trump rarely offers specifics when he talks about anything and when he does, more often than not they are grossly out of context or the most optimistic outlook possible. See their tax bill a couple of years ago. It only paid for itself under the level of economic growth that we've rarely seen, and naturally, that didn't happen.

 

[jasonrann]

No, because they know it will be shit and damage Trump's reelection efforts further.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

good grief I hope not- it is none of their business. my health insurance and my health care is my deal, not theirs.

 

[gohawks50]

Republicans don't seem to be for anything except tax cuts. Every other policy position seems to be simply being against proposals by Democrats. I think the GOP secretly loves campaigning against the ACA or Medicare for All more than they want to actually make a plan of their own.

 

[Wendy79]

Republicans don't seem to be for anything except tax cuts. Every other policy position seems to be simply being against proposals by Democrats. I think the GOP secretly loves campaigning against the ACA or Medicare for All more than they want to actually make a plan of their own.

Gotta keep the steed riled up somehow.

 

[ThorneStockton]

Republicans don't seem to be for anything except tax cuts. Every other policy position seems to be simply being against proposals by Democrats. I think the GOP secretly loves campaigning against the ACA or Medicare for All more than they want to actually make a plan of their own.

There's the wall as well.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Republicans don't seem to be for anything except tax cuts. Every other policy position seems to be simply being against proposals by Democrats. I think the GOP secretly loves campaigning against the ACA or Medicare for All more than they want to actually make a plan of their own.

we don't need a plan, we spent 60 years building a great country and great system with freedom and liberty and choices then obama brought it down.

 

[cigaretteman]

Yep, we've been promised they will unveil one before election day!

White House chief of staff Meadows says Trump will have a health-care plan by Election Day

White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said Wednesday that Trump will release a long-promised health-care plan before the election, blaming repeated delays on efforts to craft something that can be accomplished largely without Congress. Trump on multiple occasions has pledged to be on the verge...

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[MuscoHawk]

They’re looking at it strongly.

It’s coming in 2 weeks.

 

[OrlandNole]

No, but you can rest assured they'll do everything in power to block Biden's health care plan.

 

[SeaPA]

They’re looking at it strongly.

It’s coming in 2 weeks.

Free beer tomorrow

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

They’re looking at it strongly.

It’s coming in 2 weeks.

Most beautiful thing you’ll ever seen. Probably the best health plan in the history of the world.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

As soon as Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will be revealed. Just sit patiently for another 50 years.

The GOP is the party of fast action!

 

[MitchLL]

I'm sure the WH/Trump expect to be ridiculed and criticized for unfulfilled 2016 campaign promises. The two biggest are obviously "repeal/replace" and "Mexico will pay for it".

By dropping hints that a healthcare plan is coming soon, the WH is hoping to eliminate one Biden attack, talking point. I'm reasonably sure that sensible voters will see through this stunt. Trump blamed John McCain for the failure on a replacement plan. But I'm guessing he doesn't want to mention McCain again because Martha McSally is already trailing badly in Arizona Senate polls and that wouldn't help her.

 

[Bulldogs1974]

no, because they feel like a winner bitching about something rather than having a solution..

 

[ConvenientParking]

we don't need a plan, we spent 60 years building a great country and great system with freedom and liberty and choices then obama brought it down.

I remember when my father got sick before the ACA and lost his job as soon as his employer could terminate and our whole family lost health insurance thinking "freedom and liberty are marvelous healthcare options."

 

[Joes Place]

[In] an ABC News “town hall” hosted by George Stephanopoulos in the battleground state of Pennsylvania ... The president promised to protect the ability of people with pre-existing conditions to get healthcare coverage and accused Democrats of trying to kill that rule. Of course, the opposite is true: the Trump administration is trying to overturn the Affordable Care Act—Obamacare—that protects such people, while Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden promises to expand and strengthen the law.

When Stephanopoulos fact checked him, Trump insisted that he is going to protect people with pre-existing conditions through his own forthcoming new health care plan. Stephanopoulos pointed out that he has promised such a plan repeatedly since he took office, but none has ever appeared. Today White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said there was a plan in the works but told reporters that if they wanted to know what it was and who was working on it, they should come work at the White House.

September 16, 2020

Last night, Trump joined an ABC News “town hall” hosted by George Stephanopoulos in the battleground state of Pennsylvania. He faced ordinary Americans, who asked basic questions about health care, mask wearing, and so on, and delivered his usual litany of self-aggrandizement and lies. But he...

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

GOP health plan has been out for years now:

Spoiler: Right here

https://www.gofundme.com/

 

[Joes Place]

no, because they feel like a winner bitching about something rather than having a solution..

Bitching is easy.
Governing is hard.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I remember when my father got sick before the ACA and lost his job as soon as his employer could terminate and our whole family lost health insurance thinking "freedom and liberty are marvelous healthcare options."

You were talking about three different things, health insurance, job provided health insurance, and health care. Actually four different things if you include paying for it yourself. And the freedom to be able to pay for it yourself

 

[Joes Place]

Free beer tomorrow

This sums up the GOP health plan messaging:

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Bitching is easy.
Governing is hard.

Wrecking a whole country's health insurance is certainly not governing

 

[ConvenientParking]

You were talking about three different things, health insurance, job provided health insurance, and health care. Actually four different things if you include paying for it yourself. And the freedom to be able to pay for it yourself

This is mind numbingly stupid. What you said, I mean.

 

[hawkeyez]

good grief I hope not- it is none of their business. my health insurance and my health care is my deal, not theirs.

The United States spends ~17-18% of our GDP on healthcare. Do you think that is acceptable and/or sustainable?

GOP = maintain the status quo even if it's dogshit

 

[Joes Place]

Wrecking a whole country's health insurance is certainly not governing

I agree; that's precisely what the GOP is attempting to do.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

This is mind numbingly stupid. What you said, I mean.

And what Obama did to wreck the health insurance choices and our freedom and liberty was absolutely Criminal

 

[Joes Place]

The United States spends ~17-18% of our GDP on healthcare. Do you think that is acceptable and/or sustainable?

GOP = maintain the status quo even if it's dogshit

The numbers from before were the US spends something like $0.22-0.24 per healthcare dollar on administrative costs. Other western nations, including those with nationalized systems, spend $0.06-0.08 per dollar on middlemen and administration.

That's 3x-4x, and you can bet the middlemen and administrators raking in those hundreds of billions are going to fight tooth and nail to keep that gravy train going. Eliminate that and you can both lower overall healthcare spend AND deliver more care.

EDIT: FWIW, a "good" charity will spend $0.05-0.10 of every dollar on administrative costs. Ergo, the health systems in other nations operate like 4-star charities. The US, on the other hand, functions like a 1 or 2 star with the amount of administrative bloat.

If you want your charity dollar to go for what you donated it for, you donate to a 4-star option with low administrative overhead.

If you want to piss your charity dollars away, you give them to grifters who will spend more of it on themselves.

Our healthcare system is literally no different; ACA didn't fully address this. ACA 2.0 needs to.

 

[RileyHawk]

Wrecking a whole country's health insurance is certainly not governing

I know better, but can't resist. What should happen to people who are injured or sick and don't have health insurance?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I agree; that's precisely what the GOP is attempting to do.

Yes indeed Wreck Obamacare which started around 2010..... I'm all for it and why I vote Republican

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I know better, but can't resist. What should happen to people who are injured or sick and don't have health insurance?

The country addressed this in 1986 with emtala laws

 

[hawkeyez]

The numbers from before were the US spends something like $0.22-0.24 per healthcare dollar on administrative costs. Other western nations, including those with nationalized systems, spend $0.06-0.08 per dollar on middlemen and administration.

That's 3x-4x, and you can bet the middlemen and administrators raking in those hundreds of billions are going to fight tooth and nail to keep that gravy train going. Eliminate that and you can both lower overall healthcare spend AND deliver more care.

Agreed. The #1 goal of ANY healthcare reform should be to lower costs and eliminate waste. Private insurance companies skimming billions off the top certainly doesn't make our system more efficient.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

The United States spends ~17-18% of our GDP on healthcare. Do you think that is acceptable and/or sustainable?

GOP = maintain the status quo even if it's dogshit

Of course it's not sustainable which is why communism does not work

 

[RileyHawk]

The country addressed this in 1986 with emtala laws

Ummm... not really. And funneling people to the most expensive care facilities is grossly inefficient and ineffective.

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.

 

[Joes Place]

Of course it's not sustainable which is why communism does not work

LOLWUT?
The US healthcare system isn't "communism", idiot. It's monopolistic.

 

[Joes Place]

The country addressed this in 1986 with emtala laws

No; it most certainly did not.
And paying for care at the most expensive facilities is exactly WHY you get overcharged for other services: to cover them. Insurers are able to push back on those overcharges.

ACA literally stabilizes elements of the healthcare system, because instead of an uninsured person getting $50,000 worth of care in an ER that is fully unpaid, the ACA guarantees a minimum of $6k unpaid per insured patient who doesn't cover their deductible. That vastly limits the unpaid "losses" any care facility might see, per patient. Which gives them the leeway to reduce charges for other care.


EDIT: ACA also protects the smaller/rural hospitals with coverage for everyone, by reducing their unpaid liabilities, because they are FAR less able to deal with multiple uninsureds gobbling up ER dollars they cannot reimburse.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

LOLWUT?
The US healthcare system isn't "communism", idiot. It's monopolistic.

The system of paying for it most certainly is. From each according to their means to each according to their needs. Tax people and redirect those funds to pay for it. That is communism

 

[srams21]

And what Obama did to wreck the health insurance choices and our freedom and liberty was absolutely Criminal

So why hasn't Trump reversed it? He said he would do it day one?

Why did he lie?

 

[Run&Blade]

Would love to pay less.

At the end of the day the only way that happens is if providers take less. Otherwise what you are talking about is a cost shift. My guess is those in the middle class with employer provided insurance come out losers.

if I am wrong just show me the math.

 

[cigaretteman]

So why hasn't Trump reversed it? He said he would do it day one?

Why did he lie?

He promised us a better and cheaper health care system that would cover everyone with pre-existing conditions and allow children to remain on their parents' policies until 26. The hard part is that Republicans know that if they want to keep those promises and also keep private health insurance companies, they would have to have a plan that looks an awful lot like Obamacare. It can't economically be done otherwise.

 

[BelemNole]

They've got one, it's around here somewhere....right next to Melanie's papers...