Will you be satisfied with 6 or 7 wins this year?
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I rarely EVER get involved in this kind of thread, but I want to be obvious about who and what I am...the short answer is NO and I fully expect we will have a very good season. With that said if we don't, I wont run around calling for peoples heads, 2nd guessing the coaches, calling them bad, or lazy or "out of touch" and it wont change my opinion that they have been a terrific coaching staff, and aren't better or worse than most of the other top 25 staffs in the country. Meaning its tough to win and coaches we think are awesome over here get run down by their own fans constantly, sooooooooo
Yes it would be fair to say I actually DO get pissed when we lose BUT I so think the Internet critic is a boorish, whiny, petulant, unyielding Cad who couldn't find his ass with both hands that I therefore give people out there swinging loads of rope. and mercy because its way harder than these jack-wagons know.
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I hate using the word satisfied for win totals... my expectations for this season aren't what they were last year... but i was still "satisfied" because for me its not about win totals... iowa smacked Iowa state and nebraska around, upset Michigan, and didn't completely fold despite an embarrassing loss to FCS team, a ref screw-job vs NW, and a complete beat-down in Happy Valley.
Even after our darkest hour, Iowa rose like the phoenix on national television...
Even after our darkest hour, Iowa rose like the phoenix on national television...
Satisfaction is not something that takes 'x' number of wins. For me it's looking at all the factors including the schedule that go into each season and then evaluating the quality of the play and effort of the team.
This season I think the team could play quality football but end up scrambling to get to 6 wins. The potential schedule quality on paper is as tough as it has been in years in my opinion. We have arguably 2 of the top 6 teams potentially at home and we play well against neither so that's two automatic losses right there. Yes we used to beat PSU but that was under Jo Pa... since his departure they have trucked us the last 3 times. We have beaten OSU like 2-3 times in 40 years and they are one of the most talented teams in the nation under Meyer every year. With 2 auto losses that means you have to go 8-2 or 9-1 against the rest of a tough schedule ---- right!
Then the non-con is sneaky tough with Wyoming and at ISU to open the season. I expect to lose at ISU this year but the question is by how much? They will be much improved and this is an absolute must win for them under a new coach and with a bowl game bid on the line. No way they are losing this one. Wyoming could easily be a loss as they are a bowl team with a stud QB. We also have road games at Wisconsin, Northwestern, Nebraska and MSU. We do not know yet if MSU bounces back? Could lose most if not all of these. Taking care of the others including Minny at home will be key and we are known to drop one against teams like this.
Yes 6 wins is about right to me and Vegas is smart putting it at 6.5.
This season I think the team could play quality football but end up scrambling to get to 6 wins. The potential schedule quality on paper is as tough as it has been in years in my opinion. We have arguably 2 of the top 6 teams potentially at home and we play well against neither so that's two automatic losses right there. Yes we used to beat PSU but that was under Jo Pa... since his departure they have trucked us the last 3 times. We have beaten OSU like 2-3 times in 40 years and they are one of the most talented teams in the nation under Meyer every year. With 2 auto losses that means you have to go 8-2 or 9-1 against the rest of a tough schedule ---- right!
Then the non-con is sneaky tough with Wyoming and at ISU to open the season. I expect to lose at ISU this year but the question is by how much? They will be much improved and this is an absolute must win for them under a new coach and with a bowl game bid on the line. No way they are losing this one. Wyoming could easily be a loss as they are a bowl team with a stud QB. We also have road games at Wisconsin, Northwestern, Nebraska and MSU. We do not know yet if MSU bounces back? Could lose most if not all of these. Taking care of the others including Minny at home will be key and we are known to drop one against teams like this.
Yes 6 wins is about right to me and Vegas is smart putting it at 6.5.
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To say that there is no way the Cyclones lose to Iowa is silly. Could we lose to them? You bet. Could we handle them fairly easily? You bet.
Totally get where you're coming from here And1, and you're clearly a realist, with that said the thing everyone always forgets to equate for is the other team. And that's a little tongue-in-cheek but I also mean it… The other team is trying to win too & when we beat the other team their fans don't go.."well that Iow has a hell of a coach or great players", "they say G we really sucked or G we didn't play well or G our coaches are terrible or G our players quit etc. etc. etc."..Interestingly enough just like we do.
Penn State wasn't four touchdowns better than us last year just like Michigan wasn't six touchdowns better than PSU, it happenes we still have plenty of talent, I would wager we have as much talent as most of the teams in the Big Ten not called Ohio State and honestly they are on a different level and KF and Hayden have never ever ever played them well.
Keep in mind Penn State also has struggled early in the year & Franklin was on the way out prior to last season and Urbie has had a couple terrible games in recent years one against last year's Penn State and one against Michigan State the yes before.
I'm gonna tell you right now we have plenty of future NFL talent all over our defense, OL, TE and I assume Akrum, it's all going to come down to chemistry, energy, injuries & QB/wide receiver play
Penn State wasn't four touchdowns better than us last year just like Michigan wasn't six touchdowns better than PSU, it happenes we still have plenty of talent, I would wager we have as much talent as most of the teams in the Big Ten not called Ohio State and honestly they are on a different level and KF and Hayden have never ever ever played them well.
Keep in mind Penn State also has struggled early in the year & Franklin was on the way out prior to last season and Urbie has had a couple terrible games in recent years one against last year's Penn State and one against Michigan State the yes before.
I'm gonna tell you right now we have plenty of future NFL talent all over our defense, OL, TE and I assume Akrum, it's all going to come down to chemistry, energy, injuries & QB/wide receiver play
I am a realist and predict that way. We are 0-3 against PSU post JoPa and none of the 3 games were all that close. Late ages JoPa held PSU back as they consistently under-performed their talent level. PSU talent is not OSU level but it's in the ball-park. I agree they struggled early and Franklin's tenure was shaky but if they get it going they can be top 10 good on a regular basis. They will beat us again this year. That's 2 losess there so those predicting 8 or 9 wins means we need to take 8 or 9 of 10 with 2 tough non-cons and 4 challenging roads games in the B1G.
We have some potential rock solid aspects on paper about this team mixed with some huge question marks. The D is thought to be good yet it lost it's top 2 players by far in King and Jaleel. The O-Line, TEs and backs should be good but the QB & WRs are huge questions. We have a new OC and are tweaking things. Too many IFs for me to take the over 6.5.
I just see this as a loss this year. They are going to be better than expected and have a lot on the line. Campbell cannot afford to lose his first 2 to us and that would make three straight. We will likely be a mess early trying to figure things out especially if we drop the Wyoming game which is entirely possible. I'm just trying to decide if we get beat by more than 10. It could get ugly.
with all this "most tenured coach in college football" stuff... 8 wins should be the expectation.
Otherwise...what's the point? Don't confuse stability with complacency.
Otherwise...what's the point? Don't confuse stability with complacency.
What's the point of what? I am assuming you're stating that if Iowa cannot win 8 games they shouldn't even play the season. But we won't know how many games they can win until they play the season, so what's the point of your what's the point? Sounds like it's coming from a most tenured Hawkeye fan. Lol
Don't understand how you put these all down as sure losses. WY will be a tough opener, but I do expect Iowa will win, because I don't expect their defense will be good enough to control Iowa. ISU will be a tough game probably,but to say there's NO WAY they lose this game is really a stretch, don't you think. PSU should no more have trucked Iowa, then Iowa should have beaten Michigan. Again tough game, but in Kinnick I wouldn't put that down in the Nittney's column just yet. I get the OSU prediction, but who knows. Almost every year the Hawks win a game, and your left scratching your head, and saying,"how did they pull that off". I mean Damn, do you really want to be sitting here in June thinking well we got five or six losses right there. I'll take them as they come, IF they come, and I'll still be just as big a fan come January as I am today.
It's just a reality prediction. Does not mean I won't enjoy the season and take what happens but the reality is with sure losses to OSU, PSU and probably top 15 ranked Wisconsin on the road that means we have to go 6-3 against the rest of the schedule just to make a bowl. If we drop one other in the non-con then we have to go 6-2, drop Wyoming & ISU then 6-1.... yes just to get to 6 wins and a bowl.
It isn't a reality prediction. It's not reality until it happens. There are no sure wins and no sure losses. Upsets happen all the time and it's those "sure losses" that you win, that are the upsets. You may be absolutely correct, or you may be completely wrong, that's why they play the games.
If this team stays Healthy they have a great chance with anybody if some key injuries show up well it's going to be tough
Like most Iowa years, I can see 9-3 and 3-9 equally well.
To me though...this year has a lot of 2012 written all over it. We mostly applauded the staff changes (I like bringing in the NDSU o-line guy as well as KOK back too), but something tells me getting Greg Davis out of their collective systems will prove tough.
Somewhere from 5 to 7 wins sounds about right, but what the hell do I know...
To me though...this year has a lot of 2012 written all over it. We mostly applauded the staff changes (I like bringing in the NDSU o-line guy as well as KOK back too), but something tells me getting Greg Davis out of their collective systems will prove tough.
Somewhere from 5 to 7 wins sounds about right, but what the hell do I know...
Im unsatisified with anything less than 8 and so are your wives.
I agree....along with a couple caveats. We are very competitive in our 5 losses and we kick ass in our bowl game. Then I would be okay with a 7 win regular season. But honestly, I think we win 9 or more. It all depends on QB play.
Just don't see the purpose when your a fan of sitting here months before the season and predicting a bunch of losses. Especially when most of those game are toss ups at best! I mean your saying that ISU and WY should be favorites? Come on. As a fan, I'd expect Iowa to win those two games. Doesn't mean they will, but there's no reason they shouldn't. How many times have we won games as the underdog? Last year alone we beat #3 Michigan, and #15 Nebraska to the end the regular season. I'd put us as dogs agains't Wisky, PSU, and OSU. Wisky is a dogfight every year, and I wouldn't ever bet on that game with your money. The PSU game should be an outstanding college football game. I hope it ends up at night, as I could see it going down as last years Michigan type game. It might take the stars lining up for us to beat OSU, but who knows. OSU has some head scratchers every year as well, and its not like they been the east rep in the BIG champ game every year. For the record Meyer the magnificent has had OSU in what 2 of the 7 finals? Can't we even start the year with a positive hope of a really good season?
Anything less than eight wins and I will be unhappy. We lose to PSU, OSU and Wiscy. the rest of the schedule is winnable. We will likely have a very annoying loss to somebody we should have beat.
Will you be sending in your check then? If not then??????????
Since this topic of KF's salary never goes away, here's a few numbers. When he initially got to 4 million$ he was one of the three highest paid college coaches. Today there are 10 coaches making more then KF and a several of those almost double. There are 25 college coaches making within a couple 100k of 4 million$. Many of those have only been at their school a couple of years. KF is the fourth highest paid coach in the BIG, and there are a couple of others very close to him. There really is no need to continually bring up this salary thing. Its big business and if Iowa wants to be a player then they need to be right in the mix, which they are.
2 of Iowa's 3 Big Ten Losses last season were against Division winners.
what if Iowa goes 9-0 in the Big Ten?
afterall... we are 2 years removed from an 8-0 season.
was I the only one that predicted 12-0 in 2015?
what if Iowa goes 9-0 in the Big Ten?
afterall... we are 2 years removed from an 8-0 season.
was I the only one that predicted 12-0 in 2015?
Very well said. Satisfaction is not really descriptive of my view of a Hawkeye football season. I either enjoy it, or I don't enjoy it. I don't think I would enjoy a 6 win season. A 7 win season might be enjoyable depending on the actual games. But, no matter what, I have put my torches and pitchforks away for the remainder of my days. I'm going to watch Iowa Football, root like heck for them to win and be disappointed when they don't.
I'm going to cheer until we hear the final gun!
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Thank you for this, this is that perspective thing I talk about all the time. Honestly outside of Kirk F & Iowa I don't think any of these guys know a damn thing about college athletics! That's why they say such ignorant stuff!
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You know in that vein, I have no clue what to expect, it's tough being an Iowa fan, as another said 3-9/9-3 all seem plausible based on past history.....LOL
With that said is it really all that different elsewhere?! UCLA, ND, MSU and several others all were highly ranked and finished sub.500! We aren't that unusual, honestly fellas, that's why, like Hawk 4shur above I can no longer allow myself to keep getting PO'd. It's dumb...
But seriously let's really look at this year and last.... our Qb play and OL pass blocking was heinous, no matter how good CJ was before or is now he did not have a good year and no matter how much of a hater u r that ain't all on GD.
WR, same, maybe worse once Vandy went down...
After Kittle got hurt our TEs who I think are going to be a huge Strength now, but were very green...
Honestly our pass blocking got better and really our Qb play could not be worse unless we have another Jake C situation and same goes with the Wr and TE's....
Defensively I get JJ and Dk being gone but we have recruited very well on D for years and I'll say it now...as long as the safety play becomes more consistent (if it excels, look out) we will have an awesome D' one of KFs best!
So the schedule is tough, so what, I honestly think we stumble more playing patsies. tOSU has put 19 kids in the NFL the last 2 years, so they are good but even they stumble at times and outside of them do we play anyone better than Michigan last year....doubtable.
Every game is winnable & everyone losable...outside dynamics, chemistry, injuries, poor fortune is what causes losses to mount, let's not add them up until we get them, shall we?
Iowa will be the Iowa it has always been under KF, never able to be absolutely confident about the upcoming season. The changing dynamic appears to be the recruiting in the Big as a whole. The west is going to be tougher for Iowa with Nebraska and Minnesota recruiting better athletes. Iowa will have to recruit better going forward.
Something of note as it relates to Iowa – Iowa State, The game, the state of their program & the state of ours....
I think it's worth noting, I also agree they will be better and Matt Campbell is a better coach than they've had in sometime. With that said and this is some of that perspective stuff, if you go back and look at the games they have won in the last 20 years since Hayden's last year. They have beat us handily basically twice, that year and then in 2005. Point being I think they could be better long-term and still not play us as well. Coach Rhodes and Coach McCarney were Rah Rah, motivational guys and they clearly didn't have their teams prepared each and every game at the same level. They never out talented us and they won't this year & some would use this as a way to point out a flaw in KF's ability and I would agree sometimes we leave plays out there from a coaching standpoint, but in all honesty we could also point to the players not being able to make that extra play when they were there to be made and you can all look back and see what I'm talking about! Some of those plays are in indelibly etched in my mind and undoubtably yours!
We on the other hand have destroyed them a number of times.
I propose they will be more consistent but also less emotionally high for the Iowa game moving forward. Not calling it their Super Bowl because I know that's a no-no but I also think they said a few things in recent years that have fired us up and it has shown!
Now as for us and who we are I'm gonna site two perfect examples; one is Cole Fisher. In one of these threads somebody pointed to the example of Cole and his senior year and how he wished Bo Bower was more consistent like him and I agree.
Here's a perfect example of somebody we relied on as a senior. He wasn't the greatest athlete we've ever had at linebacker but he was actually faster than I wager most fans gave him credit for. He wasn't the most physical, the most dynamic but he was cerebral and he was very consistent and made some great plays in that Nebraska game & the Wisconsin game for that matter!
But here is something interesting that the Internet idiots, oops I mean critics, never contemplate or take into account I/E: perspective again!
That kid came to school to be a student athlete and when he didn't flash up the depth chart right away he sat about making himself a man in every fashion of the word. I read where he missed lots of practices and really seemed more dedicated to becoming a very smart well-rounded human being. Once his senior year rolled around and he decided to stick it out, because if I remember correctly that was a real question?! He was basically done with the studies and immersed himself full-fledged in our football team!
Now for some that probably irritates them but it makes me think wow here's a guy that gets it! But also here is a guy that had he been here just to play football maybe just maybe he could've left being one of our 25 or 30 best linebackers of all time. The point being it was there! But unlike the Alabama's or the Ohio states or many other schools he wasn't here just for football & that is always going to be a problem in Iowa city with this coaching staff & I for one am OK with that!
Another example is JR Rudock, he was a decent quarterback no matter what the critics want to say and he proved it at Michigan. Now of course many want to give credit to Jim Harbaugh but the reality is he was the same example as Cole. I also read he missed lots of practice times and he had big time classes Pre-med type of chemistry classes much like Cole who was studying to be an engineer if I remember correctly. Some said he was selfish because his classes were right in the middle of the week and he missed lots of important practice time and who knows maybe he was, but that definitely hindered his development. By the time he got to Michigan he was done with all that. All he had to do was focus on football! He had one season to try to become a professional quarterback and then he could go back to becoming a doctor and he had ample motivation to do so!
But the critic is incapable of seeing these kind of things. They are just See ball go get ball type of thinkers; they are not capable of higher level thinking.
Now moving forward I think we have some great things in place KOK in my mind was a pretty damn fine OC & the guy from North Dakota State came from a program with an incredibly consistent winning attitude & BF brings lots of fire and intensity these are terrific minds on the coaching staff and K Copeland does nothing but increase that intensity!
I think it's worth noting, I also agree they will be better and Matt Campbell is a better coach than they've had in sometime. With that said and this is some of that perspective stuff, if you go back and look at the games they have won in the last 20 years since Hayden's last year. They have beat us handily basically twice, that year and then in 2005. Point being I think they could be better long-term and still not play us as well. Coach Rhodes and Coach McCarney were Rah Rah, motivational guys and they clearly didn't have their teams prepared each and every game at the same level. They never out talented us and they won't this year & some would use this as a way to point out a flaw in KF's ability and I would agree sometimes we leave plays out there from a coaching standpoint, but in all honesty we could also point to the players not being able to make that extra play when they were there to be made and you can all look back and see what I'm talking about! Some of those plays are in indelibly etched in my mind and undoubtably yours!
We on the other hand have destroyed them a number of times.
I propose they will be more consistent but also less emotionally high for the Iowa game moving forward. Not calling it their Super Bowl because I know that's a no-no but I also think they said a few things in recent years that have fired us up and it has shown!
Now as for us and who we are I'm gonna site two perfect examples; one is Cole Fisher. In one of these threads somebody pointed to the example of Cole and his senior year and how he wished Bo Bower was more consistent like him and I agree.
Here's a perfect example of somebody we relied on as a senior. He wasn't the greatest athlete we've ever had at linebacker but he was actually faster than I wager most fans gave him credit for. He wasn't the most physical, the most dynamic but he was cerebral and he was very consistent and made some great plays in that Nebraska game & the Wisconsin game for that matter!
But here is something interesting that the Internet idiots, oops I mean critics, never contemplate or take into account I/E: perspective again!
That kid came to school to be a student athlete and when he didn't flash up the depth chart right away he sat about making himself a man in every fashion of the word. I read where he missed lots of practices and really seemed more dedicated to becoming a very smart well-rounded human being. Once his senior year rolled around and he decided to stick it out, because if I remember correctly that was a real question?! He was basically done with the studies and immersed himself full-fledged in our football team!
Now for some that probably irritates them but it makes me think wow here's a guy that gets it! But also here is a guy that had he been here just to play football maybe just maybe he could've left being one of our 25 or 30 best linebackers of all time. The point being it was there! But unlike the Alabama's or the Ohio states or many other schools he wasn't here just for football & that is always going to be a problem in Iowa city with this coaching staff & I for one am OK with that!
Another example is JR Rudock, he was a decent quarterback no matter what the critics want to say and he proved it at Michigan. Now of course many want to give credit to Jim Harbaugh but the reality is he was the same example as Cole. I also read he missed lots of practice times and he had big time classes Pre-med type of chemistry classes much like Cole who was studying to be an engineer if I remember correctly. Some said he was selfish because his classes were right in the middle of the week and he missed lots of important practice time and who knows maybe he was, but that definitely hindered his development. By the time he got to Michigan he was done with all that. All he had to do was focus on football! He had one season to try to become a professional quarterback and then he could go back to becoming a doctor and he had ample motivation to do so!
But the critic is incapable of seeing these kind of things. They are just See ball go get ball type of thinkers; they are not capable of higher level thinking.
Now moving forward I think we have some great things in place KOK in my mind was a pretty damn fine OC & the guy from North Dakota State came from a program with an incredibly consistent winning attitude & BF brings lots of fire and intensity these are terrific minds on the coaching staff and K Copeland does nothing but increase that intensity!
Me neither and in fact I've learned not to form an opinion after any loss or win for that matter!
With that said I by no means think we are going to march into Ames and easily win that football game, but it is a good predictor of the season to come. If we lose we likely won't win more than six or seven games, maybe less. In fact I'll tell you right now that would probably be our High Point! If we win no matter how ugly the game I would hedge toward 9+! It's seemingly just how things go with Iowa and KF. Confidence is a real issue with us sometimes! Often actually! I'm hoping Josey Jewel, some of the O-lineman & the seniors can keep us dialed in & I'm anticipating, even hoping the defenses we play in the nonconference season struggle slowing down our running game.
