Will you be satisfied with 6 or 7 wins this year?
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They're taking up the slack left by the other Hawk obsessed fanbase, the clowns, who seem to be laying low.
Do you now? I can't remember the last time Iowa lost to ISU 40-10 or the last time ISU played for the conference title after running all over your team like crap through a goose, but I'm sure you'll enlighten us some more with some of your REAL news. Since Nebraska is clearly below Iowa at this point, how does it feel to be so low on the totem pole? Damn now I know why that guy calls himself Hawkdroppings. I mean what else would be below a hawk when he's flying over the desolate waste land to our west?
Remember Rashan Gary last year ? Hint, he played for Michigan, still don't remember, you're not alone. He was the number one rated player in the nation his SR year. He had a good year as a Freshman but didn't exactly dominate the game. It's a huge jump from high school to the B1G. A.J. will do his damage but don't except too much his first year.
Neither Nebraska fans or Hawkeye fans should be talking any trash. Nathan Stanley hasn't even won the QB job at Iowa yet so we don't even know who is going to be under center. Neither of Iowa's top 2 QB's showed anything but inexperience in the spring game. Nebraska's QB looks like Tommy Turnover Part Deux to me. I don't think either team is going to be great this year and I see 6-8 wins for both teams.
What's the point of all the "isn't it great to have the most tenured coach in college football" ...if it only gets you 7-5?
Ah, I see, another Kirk hater. LOL Well, when you say 8 wins or whats the point, your saying they shouldn't even play the game unless they can win 8 games, but you have to play the games to see if you can win 8. So wouldn't the whats the point be irrelevant? LOL Besides, who is saying "Isn't it great to have the most tenured coach"?
Pick a new tgeam then.... I would say Michigan State Notre Dame and UCLA all have room on the bandwagon!
for sure. What kind of fan would dare expect excellence from a high paid and tenured coach?
crazy stuff
I would be satisfied if the team played with consistency and quality regardless of the number of wins. I'd still feel punched in the gut losing on a last second FG to some team, but if the Hawks played their butts off I'd still be proud of them. For example, if Iowa had lost to Michigan last year because they couldn't get in position for that last second field goal but otherwise played the rest of the game the way they did, I'd be heartbroken but still proud of the effort and quality of the play. But if they play like they did last year against NDSU, NW, PSU, Florida, Rutgers, and even Miami of Ohio in most of their games this year I will be sick to my stomach, win or lose.
He went 12-0 in the regular season 2 years ago for christs sake. I get so tired of people whining about other peoples salaries. Who freaking cares what he makes? He runs a great program. Graduates his kids. Sends them to the NFL. The Iowa program is always in the top 15 in the country as far as dollar value that it generates.
So you work 40 hours a week saying "paper or plastic ma'am?" Try working 80 hours a week like head coaches do, on a slow week. If you don't like it, get off your lazy ass and and put the time in to becoming a head coach of a major sport at a P5 school. But then you would be bitching about not getting paid enough, wouldn't you?
Did I "supersize this for you sir?"
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try decaf.
FYI, your simplistic McDonald's inferences are pretty weak, I make 6 figures so suck it
Try to stop bitching. Ferentz makes 7 figures, so go suck on that.
You really need to do something will all that bottled up anger, dude. If dealing with other's opinions is that difficult, a forum like this may not be the place for you.
Good for KFz, he's earned that salary. That's why the expectation of performance is high. (getting it yet?).
I am just fine with Ferentz' salary. You have your undies all bundled up. I do not get jealous over what other people make. Take a deep breath little fella. You will be alright.
You say that he has earned that salary? Then how can you say that he is underperforming? Salary is based on past performance and market conditions. I am tired of trying to explain things to you.
Yes. and...it comes with the expectation of continued performance.
Back to the OP topic. Nobody expects 12-0 every year, but I don't think it's outrageous to think a guy and program with the current tenure and foundation of Iowa football should win 3 weak Non cons and go at least .500 (as in "average") in conference.
You seem like a "last word" kinda guy, so please take it and squeeze in whatever personal attacks you need...
Your personal attacks were duly noted as well. My last thought. My expectations are not based on salary.
You seem like a "last word" kinda guy, so please take it and squeeze in whatever personal attacks you need...
His position coach said they are looking at 15-20 snaps a game. Before he has even practiced once. I expect some big plays.
How can you truly evaluate the strength of the non-cons before the season has played out? You are making assumptions based on past seasons? Every program in the nation performs exactly the same every year then? I'm not sure then why any games are played because it's so predictable. No team can out-perform or under-perform their lot.
The factor you are not considering is recruiting. This is a developmental program taking a number (not all) of lower rated or under the radar guys and trying to build them up physically, leveraging their chip and relying on the experience gained when they become upper classman. As players graduate the next man in is not always coming in at the exact performance level as the previous player. Combine this with schedule strength variation and we see the roller coaster performance.
The Bamas, OSUs, etc. pull in all 4 & 5 stars so the chances of replacing a high performance player with another is much higher. They get busts too but when everyone is highly rated in a recruiting class they only need a certain percentage to pan out. The odds are in their favor. That's why these programs re-load most seasons.
I'll talk slower this time bugeater. Will Debbie beat the Vegas line of 6 wins this year.
True about the non-con to some extent. But the typical mix is one FCS team, one low level BCS team (North Texas this year) or a MAC team and a close-to-the-bottom-of-the-big-12 team, ISU. We should beat all of those teams most years. The years when a team like Pitt is on the docket, it's a better challenge of course, but those are the exception.
I don't think anyone believes we should be on the Alabama or Ohio St reload trajectory. But as a TOP 25 program, the dropoff should be manageable. We're developing all our players, right? So the underclassmen are improving as they wait their turn. We're not starting with a complete class of green Freshmen every 4 years.
Not saying we should win 10 games this year, but being "satisfied" with 6-6 is pretty weak.
I'm not sure any Hawkeye fan is ever satisfied with a 6-6 record. I'm sure not. 7-5 with a bowl win is where I start to like the results. Anything over 8 wins at Iowa is a great year, almost without exception (2010).
Im just trying to help point something out to you and1 that although you say youre a realist you come off as a pessemist. And its not cause I disagree with your outlook, which i do, but thats not my point. Youre taki g our hardest games counting them as losses then pointing out the sheer difficulty of going 8-2, 9-1 as proving your point. Lets do the opposite. Well north texas and illinois are sure wins so now we only need to go 5-5 the rest of the season to make 7 wins. Of course thats not hard! We got this! (The optimist view)
In addition no realist says we have no chance to beat Iowa State. If you need further proof wait for the spread that week and watch us be favored. Even if only slightly or worst case scenario extremely small underdog. I wish Vegas saw the same realism as you. Or i mean pessimism.
Iowa will get back to their roots this year needing to rely on their running game and stopping the run on defense. Luckily for us thats where all our strengths are! I have a ton of confidence in Vandeburg in the receiving game so i have hope. Stanley showed promise and Weigers was a great recruit. One of them will step up amd do a great job. We had a lot of potential with our incoming freshman receivers so they will get to come out and prove theirselves! Snyders injury makes me sad. Hes one of my favorite players but to wrap up I think we'll be at 8 or 9 wins this season.I am writing off PSU and OSU but i dont know why youd write off any other game.
No Itd take a lot for me to call someone dumb. I thought the post was dumb, but was addressed when someone said he was pretending he was a husker fan making the post so really my comment that it was dumb is what I think he was going for. No issue.
I think you make fair points that this team could win more than 6. I do think it's paramount for 7+ wins that the team open 3-0 in the non-con. It has not been the norm to sweep the non-cons in KFs tenure. Two years ago it happened and then we capitalized on a schedule light of heavy weights from the East to go 12-0. It was truly great and not easy to do regardless. Last season should have been a sweep of the non-con but it was not with an FCS loss. Really pathetic showing in that game.
I see this non-con as sneaky tough. Wyoming will be one of the tougher openers we've had in a long time and I think ISU will be much improved from what we saw last year. Their talent level is much better than it has been traditionally so the gap between the programs is not much. If you recall the game from 2 years ago there we were on our way to getting blown out until CJ made some off-script plays including the 45 yard safety aversion scramble. That was a very bad ISU team so it shows again that anything can happen. If you really watched last year's blow out in Iowa City it was as much about a new staff being disorganized and playing with the previous regime guys. We were not as dominating as the score indicated. I did not think we played all that well surprisingly and got beat the next game against NDSU. Some of the ISU guys who played poorly have been replaced like Lanning with better players. They had receivers open but Lanning made some of the worst throws I have ever seen helping us big time. On our side CJ made some very tight window throws to Vandy that were huge plays and Wadley made some key runs.
ISU's skilled players in the receiving core are much better than ours and the new QB can sling it. That never bodes well for our D. We have to run the ball, control the clock, score TDs not FGs and get pressure on the QB. We stink at pressuring the QB. Can it be done? Sure but I am not sold this year's team will be as good as last year's team especially at the early stages of the season given who was lost to graduation and our known deficiencies. I see at least 1 non-con loss likely to ISU and quite possibly two with ISU & Wyoming. There had better be a sense of urgency to come of the gates strong is what I would suggest. If we come out with that typical we will be better in November approach it's going to get ugly.
Lots of tough games on this schedule and we have some key unknowns / big questions ... that's why Vegas is smart putting it at 6.5. I'm
hoping for a surprise and more than 6 but I know who we are and this sets up for 6 wins this year.
I like this post much better than previous. I feel it shows a more true realism that there are many challenges so now we can get into why I disagree. Ill start with I agree about your points about our opponents. The fact Brian Ferentz called our program the flagship program, they keep trying to piggy back visits of our recruits, and its an away game makes the ISU game for real this season. I agree with you. Traditionally passing attack teams give us problems cause we refuse to matchup appropriately by keeping all our linebackers on the field so we agree there. However I dont agree that pressure on the QB will remain a problem. Hesse will be a 3rd year starter coming back at DE. Both Nelsons come back and they had success against ISU last year. We gain a 5 star DE that may get some reps to pressure the QB. The part of the equation thats rough is we have most of our secondary overhauled. Miles Taylor brings back major experience and his name escapes me but the young CB who had a breakout game vs Michigan shows promise. Im hoping the experience of our front 7 can hide the weakness of young corners.
Also 6 wins is simply too low for this program. Keep in mind the sky was falling last year when we had 8 wins. The only real scary scary games are PSU and OSU. Wisconsin has been great games the past couple seasons. They arent way better than us. I think past OSU and PSU every game is very winnable and your 8-2 outside of OSU and PSU is very realistic and really should be expected in this program.
Discussing your points on D, I like Anthony Nelson a lot but not Matt Nelson as much. A Nelson creates pressure and is disruptive. Hesse is solid but not overwhelming. Matt Nelson is slow. I do agree that 5 star AJ could make an impact but at the same time there will be an adjustment for him as a true freshman. I do not want to expect too much too early from him this season.
On the interior is where I think we could potentially have issues as in my opinion we lost the top player on last year's defense in Jaleel. I really like the true sophomore Lattimore from Detroit but he's green. Bazata is a glue guy and eats blocks but is not a huge impact player.
At linebacker we have 3 seniors with an impact player in Josey. I do not think Neimann or Bower played all that well last year. Neimann played well the year before but has seemed to regress since the late season concussion the year before. Bower tries hard but makes few impact plays.
The main contributors in the front 7 includes 2 impact players in Josey & A Nelson, solid players in Hesse & Bazata, so-so guys in Neimann, Bower & Matt Nelson and good potential / wild cards in Lattimore & AJ. Is that really enough?
The secondary includes the young corner Manny Rumgumba who looked great starting with Michigan but broke his collarbone late in the season. Miles Taylor has experience but played poorly last year. The Gervase kid may replace Synder who was decent in the run game but poor in coverage. That leaves multiple guys to fill the other corner with Jackson probably getting first crack. Rungamba is the headliner but not sure the rest of this is outstanding.
A lot in our fan base see this is a great D but there's some concerns with this group. Losing Jaleel and King will be felt early. Again we have to play well early ... do not have time to figure things out with this schedule.
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Can M. Nelson play tackle, is Reif ready, how much playing time does Golston, McKnight or Simon get.
Jones and Welch will get playing time.
Oneida and Hooker both got plenty of snaps and one and maybe two freshman will play in defensive backfield.
Jones and Welch will get playing time.
Oneida and Hooker both got plenty of snaps and one and maybe two freshman will play in defensive backfield.
All good questions but this takes a few games to shake out and we are dealing with veterans with experience in Taylor, Neimann and Bower. It's not the KF norm to play younger players when there are veteran incumbents and/or experience. That's my concern is we need to come out strong this season instead of dinking around like we tend to do.
2 things about you I really like.
1) You take criticism well and stay constructive in your points.
2) Youre clearly a die hard hawk fan!
You have my support. I just want to breathe an optimistic view in you. Our fan base bums me out sometimes. I dont think its unique for a fan base to levitate to the negative but thats exhausting. Id like to get the good fans like you finding ways were going to be above that 6.5 mark.
On a lighter note. You said M Nelson is slow. Isnt he like 6'8"? I dont know many 6'8" fast people. I know what you mean though i watched him play too but give the guy a break. Hes huge and was playing through a leg injury. Also on the hopefully funny side: How fast do you think a defensive lineman needs to be to hit the offensive lineman? They dont have too far to go!
That's true in the past about KF. I see a change in him. Rugamba, Lattimore, Fant, Young, Duncan all freshman last year that played. Nelson a RS freshman. Backup QB was a freshman. I see 6 true freshman playing this year.
I am a die hard fan and am hoping for the best.... as I said early on I think we could play well this season and struggle for wins because I perceive this schedule to much more difficult than past seasons and we have some really strong aspects but a few holes that need to be filled.
As far as Matt Nelson he's 6'8" like you said. It's not that he does not hit the OL. It's getting off blocks in the passing game and creating pressure. That's where he is slow footed. He's fine holding the edge in the run game.
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The Hawkeyes might surprise some people this year. Wadley will be getting a lot more carries. A fresh face at QB. Let's face it. As much as we love CJ he didn't have the year we hoped for last year. The passing game was abysmal. But now GD is gone. Defense should be pretty stout. OL should be stout. No, I won't be satisfied with 7 wins. But who the heck knows with the Hawkeyes.
