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Wisconsin high court suspends Milwaukee judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

Bunsen82...

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OK, simple discussion:

Person A knows that law enforcement is there, (pick your location where "there" is. It doesn't matter), to arrest person B.

Person A takes any action with the intent of preventing or making it more difficult for LE to arrest person B.

Person A has committed a crime.
You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.

You do realize the courthouse is now effectively having all immigration cases on zoom because the individuals do not feel "safe" coming to court. There is absolutely nothing covered in the administrative warrant covering that. That an individual shows up, even if that individual was notified not to show up, they can't do squat with it. Judicial warrant, that is a completely different situation.
 
You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period

Good thing this judge wasn't being asked to cooperate then, right?...
 
You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.

You do realize the courthouse is now effectively having all immigration cases on zoom because the individuals do not feel "safe" coming to court. There is absolutely nothing covered in the administrative warrant covering that. That an individual shows up, even if that individual was notified not to show up, they can't do squat with it. Judicial warrant, that is a completely different situation.
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Good thing this judge wasn't being asked to cooperate then, right?...
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
 
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Bunsen82...

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Let the courts play out. Your guy thinks MS13 is literally tattooed on Garcia's knuckles and that there will be no effects on the economy from the tariffs. Your guy seems to be losing court cases left and right. So yes I do think they likely lose this case, either on technicality or due to actual legal reasons.

Just because I disagree with your position doesn't make it wrong. You just disagree with my position. Thats life, get over yourself.
 
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
So...you're saying that in a FEDERAL COURTHOUSE (property of the government) that a bench warrant doesn't have to be honored by a federal employee?
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You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.

You do realize the courthouse is now effectively having all immigration cases on zoom because the individuals do not feel "safe" coming to court. There is absolutely nothing covered in the administrative warrant covering that. That an individual shows up, even if that individual was notified not to show up, they can't do squat with it. Judicial warrant, that is a completely different situation.
Yeah, maybe you're right. I guess if there's any problem with the warrant, that could be the saving grace for the person who committed a crime by obstructing the arrest.

And so for some, their politics tell them that's what they want to happen, in this particular instance...

Seems lacking in consistency and integrity. But OK.

In other words, change a few things, (make the arrestee a J6er, make the judge an activist conservative judge) and the lefty argument is completely different.

Conservatives do this same thing too, I know. Personally I'm trying to not be a person who does that.
 
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
"The warrant didn't have anything to do with her."

That would be the case for anyone who obstructed any arrest.

And it would still be a crime.
 
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Yeah, maybe you're right. I guess if there's any problem with the warrant, that could be the saving grace for the person who committed a crime by obstructing the arrest.

And so for some, their politics tell them that's what they want to happen, in this particular instance...

Seems lacking in consistency and integrity. But OK.

Conservatives do this same thing too, I know. Personally I'm trying to not be a person who does that.
Look do I think what she did was wrong. Yes. Did it violate the law. Most likely no. Do I think she came from the right place. Yes. Do I think the agents were overly aggressive? Yes. Do I think Trump and his cabinet put this in motion in January, to cause an issue. Yes. Do I think they don't care what happens in this case, that this is meant to intimidate the judiciary. Hell yes. Do I think there are violations of Due Process. Trump admitted as much in the transcript of his interview for his first 100 days. Saying we will get them out of here, I don't care what the law is, my lawyers dictate what the law is. That is effectively what he stated. Do I think she will be convicted, No.
 
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.

Nobody cares about the warrant,.. least of all the obstructing judge...
 
Her view is that warrant didn't cover the courthouse or her courtroom. Personally I don't think she is wrong. But others will ultimately decide that.
I agree, but let's apply this to something different. Let's say someone is in the courtroom for a simple drug case. The DEA shows up to question them for a homicide (drug related) case and he's the prime suspect. If the judge helps escort the perp out, wouldn't you be upset? She's going to lose this case.
 
The way you choose to characterize (and completely minimize) her actions is disingenuous.

A judge sending a fugitive out a side door to aid them in evading law enforcement that she knew was there for that individual isn't honestly described just as 'letting an individual out a door'.

'The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.'

He was helping him escape, that's the WHOLE TRUTH. You'll find yourself defending less ridiculous situations if you remember to do that, instead of omitting or minimizing pertinent facts to recharacterize events.

Hot damn. bunsen got busted. Not sure how he can recover from that.
 
Did she, you know what was going through her mind. I will never claim to know what is going through a womans mind.
Playing dumb is saying you don't know what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.

Being dumb is not knowing what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.
 
Playing dumb is saying you don't know what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.

Being dumb is not knowing what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.
thats not how the courts work. So were those MS13 tattoos real on the knuckles Seminole?
 
Never stopped President Trump or his lawyers.
Don't throw a Trump BS out there and change the subject. The dispute going is about whether or not a federal judge has the right or not to honor a bench warrant on federal property.

I have no idea where you pulled Trump and his lawyers out of, guessing your a**. But no one ever escorted Trump out the back door to avoid any of his warrants. In fact he went in the front door in front of cameras.
 
Don't throw a Trump BS out there and change the subject. The dispute going is about whether or not a federal judge has the right or not to honor a bench warrant on federal property.

I have no idea where you pulled Trump and his lawyers out of, guessing your a**. But no one ever escorted Trump out the back door to avoid any of his warrants. In fact he went in the front door in front of cameras.
There are a million ways to not tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”…Trump used them all in defending his actions as President several times during his first run……particularly for his involvement in the events following his 2020 election loss and his role in the events leading up to and including 1/6/21….
Again… this case may look one way to you, yet without PROOF, you have nothing….and buddy boy, you have no proof here. The “Trump defense model” comes back and bites you in the ass.
 
There are a million ways to not tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”…Trump used them all in defending his actions as President several times during his first run……particularly for his involvement in the events following his 2020 election loss and his role in the events leading up to and including 1/6/21….
Again… this case may look one way to you, yet without PROOF, you have nothing….and buddy boy, you have no proof here. The “Trump defense model” comes back and bites you in the ass.

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