You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.OK, simple discussion:
Person A knows that law enforcement is there, (pick your location where "there" is. It doesn't matter), to arrest person B.
Person A takes any action with the intent of preventing or making it more difficult for LE to arrest person B.
Person A has committed a crime.
You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period
Is that you Joe Stalin?If she did, at least she was being honest..
You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.
You do realize the courthouse is now effectively having all immigration cases on zoom because the individuals do not feel "safe" coming to court. There is absolutely nothing covered in the administrative warrant covering that. That an individual shows up, even if that individual was notified not to show up, they can't do squat with it. Judicial warrant, that is a completely different situation.
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.Good thing this judge wasn't being asked to cooperate then, right?...
Let the courts play out. Your guy thinks MS13 is literally tattooed on Garcia's knuckles and that there will be no effects on the economy from the tariffs. Your guy seems to be losing court cases left and right. So yes I do think they likely lose this case, either on technicality or due to actual legal reasons.Bunsen82...
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So...you're saying that in a FEDERAL COURTHOUSE (property of the government) that a bench warrant doesn't have to be honored by a federal employee?Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
Yeah, maybe you're right. I guess if there's any problem with the warrant, that could be the saving grace for the person who committed a crime by obstructing the arrest.You do realize an administrative warrant does not cover any actions taken in a private area. Meaning if they show up to private property, you do not have to cooperate . . . period, end of story and no charges can be filed. So extrapolating that to the courtroom and her judicial duties, that order means squat, in the courtroom. The head judge even said, only hallways or front entryway is covered. So in this case, you would need to show intent. You would need to show that your warrant covered actions in the courtroom (it doesn't) - and that actions taken in a considered private institution are obstruction. According to the law, that is a mighty large hurdle to jump, and although the claim is flashy, it will most likely be dismissed.
You do realize the courthouse is now effectively having all immigration cases on zoom because the individuals do not feel "safe" coming to court. There is absolutely nothing covered in the administrative warrant covering that. That an individual shows up, even if that individual was notified not to show up, they can't do squat with it. Judicial warrant, that is a completely different situation.
"The warrant didn't have anything to do with her."Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
Look do I think what she did was wrong. Yes. Did it violate the law. Most likely no. Do I think she came from the right place. Yes. Do I think the agents were overly aggressive? Yes. Do I think Trump and his cabinet put this in motion in January, to cause an issue. Yes. Do I think they don't care what happens in this case, that this is meant to intimidate the judiciary. Hell yes. Do I think there are violations of Due Process. Trump admitted as much in the transcript of his interview for his first 100 days. Saying we will get them out of here, I don't care what the law is, my lawyers dictate what the law is. That is effectively what he stated. Do I think she will be convicted, No.Yeah, maybe you're right. I guess if there's any problem with the warrant, that could be the saving grace for the person who committed a crime by obstructing the arrest.
And so for some, their politics tell them that's what they want to happen, in this particular instance...
Seems lacking in consistency and integrity. But OK.
Conservatives do this same thing too, I know. Personally I'm trying to not be a person who does that.
Judicial warrant Randall . . . plus question of private area vs public. Come on padawan, you have a lot to learn."The warrant didn't have anything to do with her."
That would be the case for anyone who obstructed any arrest.
And it would still be a crime.
Exactly, that warrant didn't have anything to do with her. If it did they would have arrested the client in the courtroom. You are really struggling with the scope of an administrative warrant. Literally all it is, is an office memo to say you are authorized to arrest this guy. That is literally it.
Her view is that warrant didn't cover the courthouse or her courtroom. Personally I don't think she is wrong. But others will ultimately decide that.Nobody cares about the warrant,.. least of all the obstructing judge...
True. I'll start with googling what a padawan is.Judicial warrant Randall . . . plus question of private area vs public. Come on padawan, you have a lot to learn.
I agree, but let's apply this to something different. Let's say someone is in the courtroom for a simple drug case. The DEA shows up to question them for a homicide (drug related) case and he's the prime suspect. If the judge helps escort the perp out, wouldn't you be upset? She's going to lose this case.Her view is that warrant didn't cover the courthouse or her courtroom. Personally I don't think she is wrong. But others will ultimately decide that.
The way you choose to characterize (and completely minimize) her actions is disingenuous.
A judge sending a fugitive out a side door to aid them in evading law enforcement that she knew was there for that individual isn't honestly described just as 'letting an individual out a door'.
'The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.'
He was helping him escape, that's the WHOLE TRUTH. You'll find yourself defending less ridiculous situations if you remember to do that, instead of omitting or minimizing pertinent facts to recharacterize events.
Her view is that warrant didn't cover the courthouse or her courtroom. Personally I don't think she is wrong. But others will ultimately decide that.
Who is to say she is guilty? Nothing has been decided yet Sullivan.I didn't expect for her to say she was guility.
Who is to say she is guilty? Nothing has been decided yet Sullivan.
She decided to help that guy evade arrest. You decided to keep evading that fact.Who is to say she is guilty? Nothing has been decided yet Sullivan.
Did she, you know what was going through her mind. I will never claim to know what is going through a womans mind.She decided to help that guy evade arrest. You decided to keep evading that fact.
Playing dumb is saying you don't know what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.Did she, you know what was going through her mind. I will never claim to know what is going through a womans mind.
thats not how the courts work. So were those MS13 tattoos real on the knuckles Seminole?Playing dumb is saying you don't know what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.
Being dumb is not knowing what was going through her mind, given her history, and given the situation.
Never stopped President Trump or his lawyers.So...you're saying that in a FEDERAL COURTHOUSE (property of the government) that a bench warrant doesn't have to be honored by a federal employee?
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Prove it.OK, simple discussion:
Person A knows that law enforcement is there, (pick your location where "there" is. It doesn't matter), to arrest person B.
Person A takes any action with the intent of preventing or making it more difficult for LE to arrest person B.
Person A has committed a crime.
They will never get it done. There is no crime here. Just another Republican ghost chase.In progress,.. will advise.
Don't throw a Trump BS out there and change the subject. The dispute going is about whether or not a federal judge has the right or not to honor a bench warrant on federal property.Never stopped President Trump or his lawyers.
There are a million ways to not tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”…Trump used them all in defending his actions as President several times during his first run……particularly for his involvement in the events following his 2020 election loss and his role in the events leading up to and including 1/6/21….Don't throw a Trump BS out there and change the subject. The dispute going is about whether or not a federal judge has the right or not to honor a bench warrant on federal property.
I have no idea where you pulled Trump and his lawyers out of, guessing your a**. But no one ever escorted Trump out the back door to avoid any of his warrants. In fact he went in the front door in front of cameras.
Please explain why you think that.Perhaps if the DOJ putting her through the legal process were legitimate, or even competent. But neither of those is the case.
There are a million ways to not tell “the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”…Trump used them all in defending his actions as President several times during his first run……particularly for his involvement in the events following his 2020 election loss and his role in the events leading up to and including 1/6/21….
Again… this case may look one way to you, yet without PROOF, you have nothing….and buddy boy, you have no proof here. The “Trump defense model” comes back and bites you in the ass.